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14:52:52 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7394
14:52:53 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
14:52:53 <trackbot> Date: 06 October 2011
14:53:02 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #rd
14:53:41 <sharper> Chair: Harper_Simon 
14:53:52 <sharper> Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) 
14:54:02 <sharper> Agenda+ Final Agreement on Evaluation Procedure - http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Paper_Selection_Criteria 
14:54:13 <sharper> Agenda+ Formulate some of the questions and topics the chairs could raise on the panel 
14:54:22 <sharper> Agenda+ Any Other Business 
14:54:35 <sharper> zakim, save agenda
14:54:42 <Zakim> ok, sharper, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2011/10/06-rd-agenda.rdf
14:55:00 <sharper> rrsagent, make logs public
14:55:10 <sharper> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:55:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/06-rd-minutes.html sharper
14:55:28 <sharper> zakim, take up item 1
14:55:28 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper]
14:55:51 <sharper> regrets+ Conway_Vivienne
14:56:10 <sharper> regrets+ O'Connor_Joshue
14:56:26 <sharper> regrets+ Vigo_Markel
14:56:45 <sharper> regrets+ Thiessen_Peter
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14:57:02 <sharper> regrets+ Yesilada_Yeliz
14:57:14 <sharper> present+ Harper_Simon
14:57:35 <sharper> present+ Abou-Zahra_Shadi
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14:58:10 <sharper> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:58:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/06-rd-minutes.html sharper
15:00:14 <giorgio> no we canot
15:00:14 <christos> no
15:00:15 <sharper> s/here/hear
15:00:49 <giorgio> yes
15:01:19 <sharper> present+ Brajnik_Giorgio
15:03:26 <giorgio> linphone
15:03:27 <Mario-Batusic> Mario-Batusic has joined #rd
15:03:31 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
15:04:21 <Zakim> sorry, shadi, I don't know what conference this is
15:04:30 <shadi> zakim, this is rdwg
15:05:12 <shadi> zakim, you are really slow today!
15:05:30 <Zakim> ok, shadi; that matches WAI_RDWG()11:00AM
15:06:04 <Zakim> I don't understand 'you are really slow today!', shadi
15:06:22 <shadi> zakim, this is rdwg
15:06:29 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
15:06:36 <Zakim> shadi, this was already WAI_RDWG()11:00AM
15:06:40 <Zakim> ok, shadi; that matches WAI_RDWG()11:00AM
15:06:50 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
15:06:51 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:06:52 <Zakim> +Shadi
15:07:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P32, ??P36, ??P56, Shadi
15:07:50 <Mario-Batusic> Shadi, what is the entrance phone code? 7394?
15:08:02 <shadi> zakim, code?
15:08:17 <Zakim> the conference code is 7394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), shadi
15:09:15 <giorgio> it looks like being shadi; for me it's ok.
15:09:27 <shadi> zakim, mute me
15:09:32 <Mario-Batusic> I get every time error: this passcode is not valide. What is it?
15:09:34 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
15:09:52 <shadi> scribe: shadi
15:09:56 <shadi> chair: simon
15:09:59 <shadi> agenda?
15:10:22 <shadi> ack me
15:10:52 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:10:52 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Final Agreement on Evaluation Procedure - http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Paper_Selection_Criteria" taken up [from sharper]
15:10:56 <giorgio> that's fine with me
15:11:02 <shadi> SH: prefer to defer to next week
15:11:03 <christos> yes...
15:11:14 <shadi> ...to give all the editors an opportunity to discuss
15:11:20 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:11:20 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Formulate some of the questions and topics the chairs could raise on the panel" taken up [from sharper]
15:11:32 <shadi> zakim, mute me
15:11:32 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
15:11:58 <shadi> SH: questions for the panel from the symposium chairs
15:12:54 <shadi> GB: have to question that i think are important
15:13:04 <shadi> ...certainly not the only ones
15:13:23 <shadi> ...(1) who evaluates -- who carries out the methods
15:13:44 <shadi> ...(2) how to estimate the error the metric does
15:14:06 <shadi> s/...(1) who evaluates -- who carries out the methods/...(1) how to measure the quality of the metric
15:14:17 <shadi> ack me
15:14:48 <shadi> zakim, mute me
15:14:48 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
15:15:08 <shadi> ...so dealing with validity
15:15:26 <shadi> ...then another group of question based on the conclusions drawn from the metrics
15:15:42 <Mario-Batusic> Unfortunately, I cannot get in call - will be in chat only.
15:15:48 <shadi> ...did you select particular websites based on that?
15:15:53 <giorgio> i cannot hear anything anymore
15:15:54 <sharper> very clear
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15:16:01 <shadi> ack me
15:16:13 <giorgio> now i hear shadi
15:16:55 <christos> q+
15:17:01 <giorgio> ok. very good
15:17:02 <shadi> zakim, mute me
15:17:02 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
15:17:04 <giorgio> yes
15:17:18 <shadi> SAZ: also thinking about applicability or maturity of metrics
15:17:24 <shadi> ...are they ready to implement?
15:17:37 <shadi> GB: yes, how demanding they are
15:17:41 <shadi> ...or how expensive
15:18:04 <shadi> ack me
15:18:16 <shadi> ack c
15:18:21 <shadi> zakim, mute me
15:18:21 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
15:18:36 <shadi> CK: also wondring about the application of the metrics
15:18:51 <shadi> ...can they be used in search engines? in other production chains?
15:18:55 <giorgio> q+
15:19:05 <sharper> q+
15:19:07 <shadi> ...how they can be applied in real life situations
15:19:11 <sharper> ack g
15:19:27 <shadi> GB: do mean we need to qualify the scenarios in the metrics we use?
15:19:44 <shadi> CK: no, asking the authors how they see their metrics be deployable
15:20:00 <shadi> ...if they think they can be used in other applications
15:20:11 <shadi> ack s
15:20:51 <shadi> SH: also application parameters
15:21:09 <shadi> ...how apt they are for large websites, or if they are for specific purposes etc
15:21:29 <shadi> ...maybe a matrix of what coverage we have
15:21:36 <sharper> ack s
15:22:01 <shadi> GB: taxonomy of different metrics and implications when to use what type of metrics?
15:22:31 <shadi> SH: as well as the taxonomy, what parameters we think would be desirable for certain types of metrics
15:22:54 <shadi> ...if it is automatable, longitudinal or generic etc
15:23:47 <shadi> SAZ: sounds like a matrix of metrics
15:24:16 <shadi> SH: also questions like "do think it is useful to have X-type metrics" and "if so, do we have any?"
15:24:45 <shadi> ...identify gaps of areas where we have no metrics that address concrete needs
15:25:10 <shadi> ...and identify metrics that are applicable to different areas like webapps, ARIA, etc
15:25:35 <shadi> GB: can think of those as a particular questions
15:25:36 <shadi> q+
15:25:47 <shadi> ...but leave open depending on contributions
15:25:59 <shadi> ack me
15:26:02 <sharper> ack sh
15:27:46 <shadi> SAZ: would be a great goal of the consolidated report
15:28:09 <shadi> ...to map out the demand/availability situation
15:28:26 <shadi> ...but maybe not directly a question *during* the symposium
15:28:41 <shadi> ...maybe need questions to help achieve this purpose
15:28:44 <shadi> GB: agree
15:29:01 <shadi> SH: yes, this roadmap for researchers and developers is important
15:29:45 <shadi> SH: how many questions do we need?
15:29:53 <shadi> GB: around three questions?
15:30:32 <shadi> SH: we have more than that but dependent on the type of submissions?
15:31:00 <shadi> GB: yes, needs to be rooted on their particular experience
15:31:13 <shadi> SH: do we need more discussion here or put on a wiki?
15:31:28 <shadi> GB: put on a wiki and discuss more next week
15:31:49 <shadi> SH: will start the page and put it on the agenda for next week
15:32:22 <shadi> SAZ: or put on the existing page?
15:32:46 <shadi> SH: might make page too long
15:32:54 <shadi> SAZ: agree but make sure to interlink
15:33:10 <giorgio> q+
15:33:13 <shadi> Topic: Advertising for the CfP
15:33:19 <shadi> SH: do we need more?
15:33:28 <shadi> ...are they where they should be?
15:33:47 <shadi> GB: maybe send out a reminder two weeks before the deadline
15:34:52 <christos> q+
15:34:58 <shadi> SAZ: will check with shawn on preparing reminder announcement
15:35:06 <giorgio> q-
15:35:07 <sharper> ack c
15:35:18 <shadi> ...think the spread seems quite broad but no submissions yet
15:35:39 <shadi> SH: usually on the night of the deadline
15:35:49 <giorgio> yes, we can do that once we have the conference "program"
15:37:22 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/
15:38:08 <shadi> action: shadi look for possibility of reminder tools
15:38:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-4 - Look for possibility of reminder tools [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2011-10-13].
15:39:10 <shadi> iCalendar subscription for due actions
15:39:13 <giorgio> gcalendar is ok with me
15:39:24 <giorgio> google clanedar
15:39:38 <christos> google is fine with me
15:41:52 <giorgio> I'm fine
15:42:01 <shadi> [discussion of combining tracker with google calendar for reminders]
15:42:19 <Zakim> -??P56
15:42:22 <Zakim> -??P32
15:42:23 <shadi> zakim, list attendees
15:42:24 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Shadi
15:42:29 <Zakim> -??P36
15:42:32 <Zakim> -Shadi
15:42:33 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()11:00AM has ended
15:42:33 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi
15:42:37 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
15:42:37 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:42:37 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
15:42:38 <giorgio> quit
15:42:38 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:42:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/06-rd-minutes.html trackbot
15:42:39 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:42:39 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/06-rd-actions.rdf :
15:42:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: shadi look for possibility of reminder tools [1]
15:42:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/06-rd-irc#T15-38-08