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<trackbot> Date: 06 October 2011
<scribe> scribe: olyerickson
i'll dial in arrgghhhh
<bhyland> For new participants, welcome. Please see http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=47663 to connect names, faces and affiliations.
?? from IBM Research (India)
<bhyland> That is Biplav Srivastava, IBM Corp.
<stasinos> Stasinos Konstantopoulos
<stasinos> NCSR "Demokritos"
<gatemezi> hi all
stasinos -> background in formal semantics
<bhyland> I encourage all new participants to update the Participants page so we correctly reflect your name in the minutes :-) http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=47663
Note to all members: please update your W3C profile photos for upcoming f2f meetings
Proposed: Accept mintes
<bhyland> If for any reason you aren't on the page (which is updated by W3C staff), please email GLD Chairs <email@example.com> which reaches Sandro Hawke (W3C), George and me (the co-chairs). TIA.
Accept Minutes (no objections)
SUBTOPIC: Community Directory (bhyland)
* w3c membership not required to add info
* commDir app in "beta"
<HadleyBeeman> zakin, who is talking?
* login req'd; contact 3roundstones via link to get access
* contact bhyland if clarification of interface req'd
* please use it and provide feedback
* release of this beta marks delivery of 1st deliverable
* sandro suggests, opening it up to everyone in group. +1 from bhyland
* gt: effort to 'converge' eGov and GLD effort
<bhyland> The only organizations who *have* added their info are: DERI, Mondeca, OEG, Ontotext, TopQuadrant, US EPA and US HHS … there are about 34 more organizations in this working group. I'll send login details to members by the end of the week per Sandro's suggestion.
<bhyland> Make that 31 other orgs in the WG.
SUBTOPIC: Best Practices Discussion
bhyland: lots of people, Michael has been busy (RD2RDF)
bhyland has action item to talk to john goodwin
SUBTOPIC: Tracker's items
<trackbot> Sorry, bad ACTION syntax
<trackbot> ACTION-10 -- Christophe Gueret to talk with Paul about provenance -- due 2011-09-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot> ACTION-9 -- John Erickson to plug in "seed" content re: pragmatic provenance into the Best Practices wiki -- due 2011-09-29 -- OPEN
<bhyland> Correction: Michael Hausenblas has been busy on R2RML and Direct Mapping which published as Last Call, http://www.w3.org/blog/SW/2011/09/20/last-call-r2rml-and-a-direct-mapping-of-relational-data-to-rdf/
<bhyland> Congrats to Michael for that work … so he got a "pass" on GLD WG Best Practices work (so what is my excuse?!)
olyerickson has not done anything on Action-9
<bhyland> Subtopic: Community Directory, main page is here, http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Community_Directory_Discussion_Summary
cygri: skos extensions and DDI (??) discussion
* DDI -> std used in social sciences etc for data collection
* how to represent classfications systems in RDF
* some concerns re: expressivity of SKOS
<ZacharyWhitley> DDI = Data Documentation Initiative
* example: some specification systems require multiple "levels" : sectors, sub-sectors, etc; other similar examples
* group looked at properties/classes that could me added to skos to capure this info
* group came up with small number of things that, if added, would allow SKOS to capture a large number of things
<George_> the turtle file is visible here - http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ISO_Extensions_to_SKOS
* created: short report, TTL file with extensions (not published), currently email discussions on how to proceed
* effect would be: publishers and maintainers of high-end classification systems would be willing to publish in RDF
george -> actual proposed TTL is above ("ISO_Extensions...")
Q: What list is discussionon A: it's currently "private"
?? is working with MS student on related problem, would be useful to participate
??+1 notes that some of this discussion will be happening on "Open Gov Vocab Mailing List"
?? is Benedict (nick???)
??+1 is Cory (nick????)
<bhyland> NB: The Open Gov Vocab mailing list of which you speak is a US only effort. I encourage broadening to the GLD WG if appropriate.
<bkaempgen> bkaempgen is Benedikt
cygri: concern, will cuirrent ad hoc discussion participants need to sign up to a particular list?
<bhyland> Would the caller from Washington DC (aadd) and country code +91 please tell zakim who you are. TIA
* protecting inb0xes
<bkaempgen> maybe discuss on firstname.lastname@example.org ?
<Biplav> +91 => Biplav (India's country code); Sorry for slippery fingers with RC chat software.
cygri: Q: how to delineate between "GLD WG stuff" and other stuff
Suggestion: Use Usenet principles: if it becomes noise, create a new list...
Could the people having the party please mute???
George: look at "vacbulary page"
* what is the "list of things" that should be on the vocab list
POINT OF ORDER: George,are you looking ast a page?
George is looking at: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Vocabulary_Discussion_Summary
<bhyland> We are talking about http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Vocabulary_Discussion_Summary
Volunteers to discuss Vocabs on http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Vocabulary_Discussion_Summary
Q (bhyland): How to add?
A (George): Now, edit via wiki (for now)
-1 to spec writing tools
hg is an epic fail in certain other WGs
1 to Wiki unil we have issues
<Biplav> I have a question - is "data retention" terms relevant for Vocabularies? Tax data, health records.
Missing from current list of Vocab: Provenance...
BartvanLeeuwen: how to express events in tiome
BartvanLeeuwen will edit wiki himself
<John> happy to update GeoSpatial section
Others in WG should edit wiki, add vocabs they think are "important"
olyerickson will add Prov-related
Top-level link to W3C "PROV" WG http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Main_Page
cygri: Look at (our) charter, it is pretty clear on what is expected
* Minimum: look at each area, make sure we're "covered" by existing vocab work (or not)
<bhyland> +1 to cygri's understanding of what the WG charter suggests vis a vis vocabs. Keep it simple but useful IMO.
* In areas where there currently aren't W3C or other vocabs in use, make recommendations or highlight the concern
<boris> +1 to cygri
george: GLD Vocab "Summary" page
is laid out based on Charter requirements
... Q: If something is NOT in charter, is it then out of scope?
sandro: Chairs can
determine/adjust scope but...
... RE "recommendations," cannot exceed charter
... "cookbook" vs "recommendation"
george: Status of Cookbook?
<sandro> sandro: we can put advice about anything in the cookbook, but for full-force standards (W3C Recommendations) we need to stick to the charter.
bhyland/boris/michael: Cookbook Status
bhyland: "seed material" is material from LGD book (SPringer, in press)
* in cookbook, approx. 15 vocabs req'd for use in gov't
bhyland: to add vocab in "cookbook" to wiki
<scribe> ACTION: bhyland to add vocab in "cookbook" to wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/06-gld-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-11 - Add vocab in "cookbook" to wiki [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2011-10-13].
?? Q; private/public participation
<GeraldSteeman> There are US govt challenges
* in/out of charter
?? is "Biplav Srivastava"
<cygri> Biplav, charter is here: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/charter
<sandro> I can imagine this (incentives) COULD be a kind of strategy listed in the Directory....
<GeraldSteeman> http://www.nasa.gov/topics/technology/centennial/index.html as an aero challenge
<bhyland> ACTION-11 is for bhyland to add content for all "7 steps" including vocabulary summary for government.
<George_> ack http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ISO_Extensions_to_SKOS
Bart: Q: Participating in Linked Data Cookbook effort; no clue how to contribute
george: talk to bhyland
bhyland is "yeast" for thecookbook (who's the sugar?)
george: In the context of the "Five Areas", is there anything obviously missing that needs to be dded
* for example: Vcard? FOAF?
Cory (??): Fundamental units?
<gatemezi> Maybe also legislation?
Sandro: units are out-of-scope
<sandro> (another option)
Sandro: Another contender is Schema.org (see above)
There's a difference between "practical" vs "technically possible" ...
cygri: Don't forget about DCMI
<George_> out of scope - licensing, units, time - possible cookbook topics?
+1 to DCMI (shoudk be a default)
<GeraldSteeman> +1 DCMI
bhyland: suggest all in common use with guidance, esp. w.r.t. in'l requirements
bkaempgen: Are specific use cases required?
<BartvanLeeuwen> +1 for use cases
<gatemezi> Q: is it a way to check "w3c good standing work?
<cygri> 100% agree with George
George: GLD can "collect" potentially useful vocabs
<bhyland> George: Would like to see the Vocabulary deliverables specify clear guidance for the 4 sub-deliverables so gov't has clear guidelines (to reduce ambiguity).
<HadleyBeeman> I'd be happy to see whoever is coming to TPAC… Let me know if you'll be there!
<John> apologies for next 3 weeks
Meeting is adjourned: 11a
<HadleyBeeman> Thanks, George!
<BartvanLeeuwen> thx george
<GeraldSteeman> I'm alt for next week, so I'll stay on the line.
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