15:34:39 RRSAgent has joined #css 15:34:39 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-css-irc 15:34:44 Zakim, this will be Style 15:34:44 ok, glazou; I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 26 minutes 15:34:48 RRSAgent, make logs public 15:39:41 sigh 15:39:43 thanks mollydotcom 15:39:52 I already have a cup of hot tea in front of me 15:39:58 right next to the pills :( 15:41:16 I had something similar that lasted nearly 3 weeks. FINALLY over it now. You should be resting! It looks like most of the group is full of regrets today 15:42:41 yeah, we'll see 15:42:44 could be a short call 15:44:31 zakim, make hot tea for everyone :) 15:44:31 I'm glad that smiley is there, ChrisL 15:44:54 eh 15:44:56 thanks ChrisL 15:45:50 g'ah 15:45:54 lol 15:46:02 just the idea of drinking a _cold_ drink makes me faint 15:46:13 southern us thing. sweet or unsweet? 15:46:32 US thing at large. Unsweet (not southern) 15:46:41 eh 15:47:02 sweet tea is mostly found in the south, whereas the rest of us drink it on the rocks 15:47:09 last february when I was in the US, it was 17°C outside ; my hotel had air conditioning ON and it was set at 17°C... 15:47:16 go figure 15:47:21 and served in 2 litre containers with free refils? 15:47:37 I make it fresh at home 15:48:41 we do sun tea here in the desert. Gallon of water in a big glass jar along with your fave tea (leaves or bags) - set outside in the sun to brew, strain if needed, chill. Nom! 15:49:14 they have rather the same in the west indies but with s/water/rhum :-) 15:49:29 oyvind has joined #css 15:50:12 rhum as in Rum, glazou? 15:50:19 sorry, french spelling 15:50:34 no worries, just clarifying - I can't drink rhum 15:50:40 way too sweet. 15:51:14 eh, you have not tested good rum then 15:51:55 http://www.ministryofrum.com/rumdetails.php?r=80 15:54:17 work ?? uuuuh 15:54:20 :-/ 15:54:21 glazou doesn't have to look sharp today, he has a sick note. 15:54:47 I am working. testing font squirrel woff generation 15:54:48 johnjansen has joined #css 15:54:58 oh, cool ChrisL 15:55:11 ChrisL: and I am ranting about html5 parsing rules 15:55:15 stearns has joined #css 15:55:23 glazou, Microsoft is about to have a firedrill and we will need to evacuate the building... it should take about 20 minutes. 15:55:28 aprowse has joined #css 15:55:32 johnjansen: ROFL, ok 15:56:02 I think this conf call does not start well :-) 15:56:19 Martijnc has joined #css 15:56:38 Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has now started 15:56:50 + +93550aaaa 15:57:23 Zakim, aaaa is antonp 15:57:23 +antonp; got it 15:57:24 + +1.206.675.aabb 15:57:32 Zakim, aabb is me 15:57:32 +stearns; got it 15:57:43 +ChrisL 15:57:53 aprowse has left #css 15:58:00 aprowse has joined #css 15:58:03 aprowse has left #css 15:58:16 antonp has joined #css 15:58:35 grrr Zakim 15:58:36 +??P53 15:58:47 Zakim, I am ??P53 15:58:53 +florianr; got it 15:58:54 +??P57 15:59:02 Zakim, ??P57 is me 15:59:02 +glazou; got it 15:59:07 Zakim, who is noisy? 15:59:14 +[Microsoft] 15:59:17 glazou, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: stearns (9%), glazou (15%) 15:59:24 zakim, microsoft has johnjansen 15:59:24 +johnjansen; got it 15:59:56 +[Microsoft.a] 15:59:59 cesar has joined #css 16:00:08 zakim, microsoft has me 16:00:09 +arronei; got it 16:00:15 there goes the alarm... back in a bit 16:00:16 and there goes the fire alarm... 16:00:34 +Molly_Holzschlag 16:01:26 +dbaron 16:01:54 Zakim, who is on phone? 16:02:08 I don't understand your question, glazou. 16:02:10 + +1.284.626.aacc 16:02:14 Zakim, who is on the phone? 16:02:19 zakim, who is here? 16:02:22 +plinss 16:02:27 On the phone I see antonp, stearns, ChrisL, florianr, glazou, [Microsoft], [Microsoft.a], Molly_Holzschlag, dbaron, +1.284.626.aacc, plinss 16:02:30 [Microsoft] has arronei 16:02:35 zakim, aacc is me 16:02:43 On the phone I see antonp, stearns, ChrisL, florianr, glazou, [Microsoft], [Microsoft.a], Molly_Holzschlag, dbaron, +1.284.626.aacc, plinss 16:02:50 [Microsoft] has arronei 16:03:06 +cesar; got it 16:03:20 On IRC I see cesar, antonp, Martijnc, stearns, johnjansen, oyvind, RRSAgent, Zakim, glazou, florianr, mollydotcom, kojiishi, dbaron, ChrisL, karl, miketaylr, Florian, hober, 16:03:23 ... arronei, anne, lhnz, TabAtkins, krijnh, CSSWG_LogBot, myakura, gsnedders, ed, fantasai, plinss, Hixie, pjrm, trackbot, Bert, shepazu 16:03:25 Regrets from hardy, danielw, kimberlyblessing, dsinger, sylvaing and smfr 16:03:30 nimbupani has joined #css 16:03:40 arron has joined #css 16:04:31 Tab sent regrets in https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2011OctDec/0002.html 16:05:31 +Bert 16:05:48 ScribeNick: dbaron 16:06:02 glazou: Extra items for today? 16:06:18 Bert: I sent an item about the IDPF -- the epub plans. 16:06:20 szilles has joined #css 16:06:26 +??P37 16:06:54 http://www.w3.org/mid/CAAWBYDAbkFf6jtK_aQBwTgOsBmE5c=vs1fnQkk30ZBXwew_qjA@mail.gmail.com 16:06:56 Topic: Publishing css3-images as last call 16:07:18 +SteveZ 16:07:21 Chris: last call is a good thing -- requires having no open issues. Brad was arguing that his issue hadn't been resolved. 16:07:42 glazou: Brad said he hadn't yet had time to answer Tab's last message on the thread but planned to do so. 16:07:50 glazou: agree to wait? 16:08:16 Chris: Should probably have a time limit -- ask Brad to respond within 2 weeks, or alternatively raise it as an LC comment. 16:08:41 ACTION Chris: email Brad (on public ML) asking Brad to respond within 2 weeks 16:08:41 Created ACTION-370 - Email Brad (on public ML) asking Brad to respond within 2 weeks [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-10-12]. 16:08:41 rrsagent, here 16:08:41 See http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-css-irc#T16-08-41-2 16:08:58 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2011JulSep/0358.html 16:09:10 By the way, about the British Virgin Islands, I think it's me (well, not me: I am in Asturias, Spain) but the VoIP server or something like that. ;) 16:09:14 Topic: note on non-actively-maintained specs 16:09:34 Chris: sounds like a good idea... though I'd have put css3-values in the same category until it was recently revived 16:09:39 dsinger_ has joined #css 16:09:43 florian: unmaintained doesn't mean it won't be maintained again in the future 16:10:06 glazou: (1) agree w/ florian (2) we should reflect the warning also in the list of documents we maintain on the roadmap 16:10:29 florian: Helps new people coming along -- avoid wasting their time. 16:10:29 +??P0 16:10:36 Zakim, ??P0 is me 16:10:36 +fantasai; got it 16:10:38 glazou: Tab is volunteering to make the edits. 16:10:51 glazou: I suggest I email him about what we just said and let him do the edits. 16:10:55 glazou: ok for everyone? 16:11:12 Bert: several of these have been published. Should we put something on the TR page? That's the more important publication than the CVS one. 16:11:15 bradk has joined #css 16:11:16 glazou: doable? 16:11:24 Bert: we can certainly republish w/ new status section 16:11:27 glazou: let's do that 16:11:58 glazou: Once the edits are made (by Tab), I suggest we publish 16:12:05 dbaron: editor's draft may be substantially different from TR page draft 16:12:49 nimbupani1 has joined #css 16:13:23 + +1.650.766.aadd 16:13:29 dbaron: ... (fill in later) 16:13:40 Zakim, aadd is me 16:13:41 +bradk; got it 16:14:08 css3-linebox 16:14:13 something else mentioned 16:14:22 Steve: css3-linebox -- John wants to edit in near future 16:15:01 dbaron: I'd rather somebody spend 10 minutes thinking about the issue 16:15:20 glazou: On what basis would you make a decision? 16:15:38 Steve: One idea is to republish TR draft with note that it's no longer maintain, but also link to editor's draft 16:15:53 glazou: That way the edits are easy to make and we have a link to the editor's draft 16:15:59 dbaron: fine with me 16:16:11 glazou: steve's proposal accepted 16:16:24 RESOLUTION: for TR drafts, republish the existing TR drafts with the note, and add pointer to editor's draft 16:16:54 RESOLUTION: tab to add warning to unmaintained editors drafts 16:17:27 [discussion with brad about responding to issue] 16:17:59 Topic: TPAC 16:18:34 glazou: reminder, register for TPAC if you plan to attend. There's a fee, which gets a lot higher if you don't register in time. Also book travel and hotel. There are also less expensive hotels nearby (Avatar hotel across street). 16:18:43 glazou: I'll send link to Avatar after the call. 16:18:57 glazou: We also need to collect agenda items for the TPAC. Is there a wiki page for that already? 16:19:23 glazou: I'm waiting for the final answer for Paris -- we exceed 24 for the first meeting room I was planning. 16:19:35 -> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2011/ TPAC registration form 16:20:39 https://www.w3.org/Style/Group/meetings.html 16:21:25 if we migrate to wiki, should only migrate down to point where minutes became public 16:21:31 http://wiki.csswg.org/planning/tpac-2011 16:21:57 molly: I'll migrate that to wiki 16:22:10 molly: and set up wiki pagefor tpac meeting 16:22:11 www.jdvhotels.com/hotels/avatar 16:22:31 Bert -- http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/members.en points to the old charter, do we have a new one? 16:22:38 Topic: IDPF 16:22:57 Bert: working on epub -- we've been working on vertical text in text module 16:23:12 Bert: they recently decided to start new WG on adaptive dynamic layout 16:23:21 szilles has joined #css 16:23:21 http://www.w3.org/2010/09/CSSWG/charter.html 16:23:33 Bert: for multicol, grid positioning, and other things 16:23:44 Bert: It's clear we won't be able to match their schedule; they want it done by July next year. 16:24:20 Bert: We can help them along ... things may need prefixes. And keep in contact so we know what they want and they know what we can do. 16:24:25 Bert: How do we do the coordination? 16:24:41 Bert: Brady Duga (chair of new WG) is in CSS WG 16:24:59 Bert: Would be good if somebody participating in layout stuff from our side were involved in their meetings. 16:25:15 glazou: You said that ??? is going to attend TPAC or find somebody else more technical. 16:25:28 glazou: If we have a representative there at TPAC, shouldn't we discuss this at TPAC? 16:26:18 ACTION: glazou to invite Bill McCoy to CSS Working group's meeting at TPAC to discuss coordination with IDPF 16:26:18 Created ACTION-371 - Invite Bill McCoy to CSS Working group's meeting at TPAC to discuss coordination with IDPF [on Daniel Glazman - due 2011-10-12]. 16:26:33 Steve: and invite as many IDPF participants as could attend 16:26:36 glazou: I'll do that 16:27:02 glazou: We have at least 2 implementors of epub in the WG (Adobe and me), also Koji 16:27:47 szilles has joined #css 16:28:23 -[Microsoft] 16:28:26 glazou: ok, short meeting. talk to you next week. 16:28:29 -ChrisL 16:28:30 -florianr 16:28:30 -bradk 16:28:31 -[Microsoft.a] 16:28:31 -cesar 16:28:32 -SteveZ 16:28:32 -antonp 16:28:34 -glazou 16:28:36 -dbaron 16:28:38 -kojiishi 16:28:38 florianr has left #css 16:28:40 -plinss 16:28:42 -Molly_Holzschlag 16:28:43 Meeting: CSS Working Group teleconference 16:28:44 -fantasai 16:28:45 -stearns 16:28:46 Scribe: David Baron 16:28:49 Chair: Daniel Glazman 16:28:50 -Bert 16:28:52 Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended 16:28:53 antonp has left #css 16:28:54 Attendees were +93550aaaa, antonp, +1.206.675.aabb, stearns, ChrisL, florianr, glazou, johnjansen, [Microsoft], arronei, Molly_Holzschlag, dbaron, +1.284.626.aacc, plinss, cesar, 16:28:57 ... Bert, kojiishi, SteveZ, fantasai, +1.650.766.aadd, bradk 16:29:25 s/... (fill in later)/somebody should probably take a few minutes to look at each one and see if it makes more sense to push the editor's draft to the TR page or republish what's now on the TR page with a warning/ 16:33:58 dsinger has joined #css 16:37:53 fantasai, no new charter yet. The old one was valid until Aug 30, so we are officially out of a charter now. A draft charter has been sent to the AC, but the official review period hasn't started yet. 16:38:20 I see... 16:38:30 Bert: are we done with the notes at http://wiki.csswg.org/planning ? 16:38:35 Bert: Can I delete them yet? 16:38:35 :) 16:39:09 You want to delete Web pages!? 16:39:28 Bert: No, I want to clear out the notes on planning that refer to errors in the charter 16:39:31 The notes are indeed no longer needed. Chris used them all, as far as I know. 16:39:33 Bert: assuming they've been fixed 16:39:38 Bert: ok 16:40:10 Done 17:07:41 karl has joined #CSS 17:14:20 arronei_ has joined #css 17:24:07 cesar has left #css 17:31:54 myakura has joined #css 17:33:07 myakura has joined #css 17:40:23 mollydotcom has left #css 17:44:15 dbaron has joined #css 17:45:19 szilles has joined #css 18:14:25 Zakim has left #css 18:28:07 szilles has joined #css