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14:58:07 <smaug> mbrubeck: once I've written some more, perhaps you could push those to w3c hg
14:58:46 <mbrubeck> Zakim, this is RWC_WebEven
14:58:46 <Zakim> ok, mbrubeck; that matches RWC_WebEven()11:00AM
14:58:47 <Zakim> + +1.781.993.aaaa
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14:59:42 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make log Public
14:59:43 <Zakim> +[Mozilla]
14:59:51 <ted_> zakim, [Mozilla] is Ted_Mielczarek
14:59:51 <Zakim> +Ted_Mielczarek; got it
14:59:53 <ArtB> ScribeNick: ArtB
14:59:53 <ArtB> Scribe: Art
14:59:53 <ArtB> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011OctDec/0000.html
14:59:53 <ArtB> Date: 04 October 2011
14:59:53 <ArtB> Chair: Art
14:59:54 <ArtB> Meeting: Web Events WG Voice Conference
15:00:00 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:00:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/04-webevents-minutes.html ArtB
15:00:25 <Zakim> +??P14
15:00:34 <smaug> Zakim, ??P14 is Olli_Pettay
15:00:34 <Zakim> +Olli_Pettay; got it
15:00:47 <Zakim> + +1.408.653.aabb
15:00:48 <smaug> Zakim, nick smaug is Olli_Pettay
15:00:49 <Zakim> ok, smaug, I now associate you with Olli_Pettay
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15:01:11 <Zakim> + +1.503.712.aacc
15:01:36 <ArtB> zakim, aacc is Dzung_Tran
15:01:36 <Zakim> +Dzung_Tran; got it
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15:02:08 <Zakim> + +1.206.792.aadd
15:02:09 <mbrubeck> Zakim, aadd is Matt_Brubeck
15:02:09 <Zakim> +Matt_Brubeck; got it
15:02:09 <Dzung_Tran> Present+ Dzung_Tran
15:02:10 <smaug> yes
15:02:22 <mbrubeck> Zakim, nick mbrubeck is Matt_Brubeck
15:02:22 <Zakim> ok, mbrubeck, I now associate you with Matt_Brubeck
15:02:33 <mbrubeck> Zakim, who is here?
15:02:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.781.993.aaaa, Ted_Mielczarek, Olli_Pettay, +1.408.653.aabb, Dzung_Tran, Matt_Brubeck
15:02:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see Dzung_Tran, ssharma2, ArtB, Zakim, RRSAgent, smaug, ted_, scottmg, mbrubeck, trackbot, shepazu
15:02:37 <ted_> zakim, nick ted_ is Ted_Mielczarek
15:02:42 <ArtB> Present: Art_Barstow, Dzung_Tran, Olli_Pettay, Matt_Brubeck, Suman_Sharma, Ted_Mielczarek
15:02:44 <Zakim> ok, ted_, I now associate you with Ted_Mielczarek
15:03:10 <ArtB> Topic: Agenda
15:03:16 <ArtB> AB: I submitted a draft agenda to the list on October 3 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011OctDec/0000.html. Any change requests?
15:03:46 <ssharma2> +1.408.653.aabb is Suman_Sharma
15:04:00 <Zakim> -Ted_Mielczarek
15:04:03 <ArtB> Topic: Announcements
15:04:07 <ArtB> AB: any short announcements for today?
15:04:18 <ArtB> Topic: Touch Event v1 Last Call
15:04:23 <ArtB> AB: reminder the comment deadline for the Touch Events v1 LC is October 11 http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-Touch-Events-20110913/. I think the comment tracking document includes all of the comments submitted to date <http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/wiki/TouchEvents-LCWD-13-Sep-2011
15:04:54 <ArtB> AB: if I missed anything, please let me know
15:05:15 <ArtB> Topic: Issue-19: Align initTouchEvent parameters with Webkit
15:05:22 <ArtB> AB: this is a standing issue <http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/19>. Any feedback from Webkit community?
15:05:36 <ArtB> AB: I haven't seen anything
15:05:41 <ArtB> MB: I have not
15:05:56 <ArtB> AB: this leaves us where we were last time
15:06:16 <ArtB> AB: this is related to Issue-23 ...
15:06:21 <ArtB> Topic: Issue-23: Add a DOM4-style constructor to create and initialize TouchEvent objects.
15:06:28 <ArtB> AB: we discussed Issue-23 http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/23 last week http://www.w3.org/2011/09/27-webevents-minutes.html#item04 and there was some subsequent followup between Matt, Anne and Olli http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011JulSep/0092.html
15:06:57 <ArtB> AB: If Olli is OK with removing initTouchEvent method from TE v1, then I think we have consensus. A consequence of that change is a new LC will be needed.
15:07:26 <mbrubeck> Zakim, aabb is Suman_Sharma
15:07:26 <Zakim> +Suman_Sharma; got it
15:07:29 <ArtB> AB: is that a fair characterization?
15:07:36 <ArtB> OP: it's OK with removing it
15:07:47 <ArtB> … from v1
15:08:05 <ArtB> … And we need to do something about creating events in v2
15:08:12 <ArtB> … But this allows v1 to proceed
15:08:20 <ArtB> … and we can continue to work on v2
15:08:31 <ArtB> … This also means all testing will need to be manual
15:09:03 <ArtB> AB: it seems like we have consensus on Issue-23 to remove initTouchEvent
15:09:14 <ArtB> … are there any objections to removing it?
15:09:28 <ArtB> AB: Doug of course has an opinion on this
15:09:41 <ArtB> … and I believe he now agrees with removing initTouchEvent from v1
15:09:51 <ArtB> … I know he isn't here
15:10:17 <ArtB> MB: yes, I think Doug agreed with this proposal to remove during the last call
15:10:39 <ArtB> AB: then let's record a resolution and close Issue-23
15:11:01 <ArtB> RESOLUTION: the initTouchEvent method will be removed in LC1 (and this means a new LC will be needed)
15:11:17 <ArtB> AB: anything else on that issue?
15:11:29 <ArtB> Topic: Issue-21 and Issue-22 ; status of Cathy's proposal
15:11:51 <ArtB> MB: we need an action to remove that method
15:12:16 <ArtB> … I can't do it this week
15:12:27 <ArtB> AB: can anyone else take an action to remove that method
15:12:45 <ArtB> ACTION: brubeck remove the initTouchEvent method from v1 spec
15:12:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-78 - Remove the initTouchEvent method from v1 spec [on Matt Brubeck - due 2011-10-11].
15:12:56 <ArtB> AB: last week we discussed Issue-21 http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/21 and Issue-22 http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/22 and Cathy's proposals to address the issues http://www.w3.org/2011/09/27-webevents-minutes.html#item05
15:13:06 <ArtB> AB: I believe we agreed that if no one expressed any concerns that Cathy would submit a changeset based on her proposal
15:13:21 <ArtB> AB: Cathy isn't here today
15:13:26 <ArtB> … I don't know here status
15:13:51 <ArtB> AB: any comments on Cathy's proposal?
15:14:12 <ArtB> ACTION: cathy to commit her proposals for Issue-21 and Issue-22
15:14:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-79 - Commit her proposals for Issue-21 and Issue-22 [on Cathy Chan - due 2011-10-11].
15:14:23 <ArtB> Topic: Feedback from PFWG on Touch Events 13 September 2011 draft
15:14:32 <ArtB> AB: Last week WAI's PFWG submitted some comments http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011JulSep/0091.html for the TE LC. I captured those as LC-6 http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/wiki/TouchEvents-LCWD-13-Sep-2011#LC-6 and LC-7 http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/wiki/TouchEvents-LCWD-13-Sep-2011#LC-7
15:15:04 <ArtB> AB: the first comment (LC-7) is about the need for additional text re the relation between touch events and mouse events. And LC-6 is a request for some editorial questions.
15:15:18 <ArtB> AB: I don't think there are any "Issues" per se but rather some follow up actions to address the comments.
15:15:45 <ArtB> AB: has anyone read the comments from PFWG?
15:16:04 <ArtB> MB: not yet
15:16:27 <ArtB> AB: encourage everyone to followup on the mail list
15:16:37 <ArtB> … that is, respond to Michael Cooper's email
15:16:52 <ArtB> Topic: Testing Touch Events
15:17:00 <ArtB> AB: we have a few actions related to touch event testing Action-74, Action-66 and Action-72. Earlier today Olli replied to his Action-74 http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/74 via http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011OctDec/0001.html
15:17:38 <ArtB> AB: I haven't looked at Olli's input
15:17:48 <ArtB> OP: I looked at what Matt had done 
15:17:58 <ArtB> … and added some tests for multiple touches
15:18:23 <ArtB> … We will need a lot more tests
15:18:28 <ArtB> … But this is a start
15:18:33 <ArtB> … I can add some more later
15:18:42 <ArtB> AB: thanks very much!
15:18:50 <ArtB> OP: I am using Android
15:19:05 <ArtB> … and FF and it passes the tests
15:19:30 <ArtB> s/and FF/and the default browser/
15:19:46 <ArtB> … The default browser on Android uses webkit
15:20:09 <ArtB> … The default browser and Opera browser both pass all of the tests I wrote
15:20:18 <ArtB> AB: that's really helpful
15:20:24 <ArtB> AB: Tran has Action-66: <Create multitouch test cases for the Touch Events spec> that is blocked on Olli. Perhaps Tran could review what Olli created.
15:20:40 <ArtB> DT: I did look at it this morning
15:20:46 <ArtB> … I will copy it and then expand on it
15:20:52 <ArtB> … and try to do something this week
15:20:57 <ArtB> AB: ok, that's great
15:21:14 <ArtB> AB: anything else on testing for today?
15:21:24 <ArtB> OP: once we have more tests for multitouch
15:21:30 <ArtB> … we should move them to W3C 
15:21:40 <ArtB> … My tests are not in W3C space now
15:21:45 <ArtB> … But they need to move 
15:22:09 <ArtB> AB: if you have any issues with that, Doug can help you (or perhaps me ;-)
15:22:30 <ArtB> Topic: Any Other Business (AOB)
15:22:41 <ArtB> AB: we will have a call next week if there are sufficient topics
15:23:06 <ArtB> AB: encourage everyone to continue to use the Public mail list 
15:23:13 <ArtB> AB: anything else for today?
15:23:19 <ArtB> AB: meeting adjourned
15:23:26 <Zakim> -Suman_Sharma
15:23:28 <Zakim> -Olli_Pettay
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15:23:35 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:23:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/04-webevents-minutes.html ArtB
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15:23:51 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.781.993.aaaa, Ted_Mielczarek, Olli_Pettay, +1.408.653.aabb, +1.503.712.aacc, Dzung_Tran, +1.206.792.aadd, Matt_Brubeck, Suman_Sharma
15:28:34 <ArtB> zakim, bye
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15:28:40 <ArtB> rrsagent, bye
15:28:40 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/04-webevents-actions.rdf :
15:28:40 <RRSAgent> ACTION: brubeck remove the initTouchEvent method from v1 spec [1]
15:28:40 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/04-webevents-irc#T15-12-45
15:28:40 <RRSAgent> ACTION: cathy to commit her proposals for Issue-21 and Issue-22 [2]
15:28:40 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/04-webevents-irc#T15-14-12