13:55:31 RRSAgent has joined #rdfa 13:55:31 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/09/29-rdfa-irc 13:55:33 RRSAgent, make logs world 13:55:33 Zakim has joined #rdfa 13:55:35 Zakim, this will be 7332 13:55:36 Meeting: RDF Web Applications Working Group Teleconference 13:55:36 Date: 29 September 2011 13:55:36 ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFa()10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes 13:56:20 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Sep/0102.html 13:56:37 Chair: Manu 14:00:20 Knud has joined #rdfa 14:00:35 lindstream has joined #rdfa 14:00:50 ShaneM has joined #rdfa 14:01:15 SW_RDFa()10:00AM has now started 14:01:15 ShaneM has left #rdfa 14:01:22 + +3539149aaaa 14:01:31 zakim, I am +aaaa 14:01:31 sorry, Knud, I do not see a party named '+aaaa' 14:01:35 SebastianGermesin has joined #rdfa 14:01:39 +??P34 14:01:41 zakim, I am aaaa 14:01:41 +Knud; got it 14:01:45 zakim, mute me 14:01:45 Knud should now be muted 14:01:54 zakim, I am ??P34 14:01:54 +lindstream; got it 14:02:05 +??P37 14:02:16 zakim, I am ??P37 14:02:17 +gkellogg; got it 14:02:18 +??P39 14:02:21 zakim, I am ??P39 14:02:21 +manu1; got it 14:02:28 morning! 14:02:39 + +68185775aabb 14:02:47 Zakim, I am aabb 14:02:47 +SebastianGermesin; got it 14:03:46 zakim, who is on the call? 14:03:46 On the phone I see Knud (muted), lindstream, gkellogg, manu1, SebastianGermesin 14:04:17 I could, sure 14:04:26 Scribe: Knud 14:04:44 manu: updates to the agenda? 14:05:03 +Steven 14:07:28 …: talked with Jeni Tennison in HTML data TF 14:08:00 …: we believe that RDFa 1.1 fulfils what this group wants 14:09:10 …: Is test-suite up to date? 14:09:41 Greg: suite has been updated recently, should be pretty much up to date 14:09:56 …: there are still RDFa 1.0 tests in there - should they remain? 14:11:22 Core rdfa-test-suite updated, not my own. 14:11:34 q+ 14:12:22 steven: I'm on ODF technical committee. ODF 1.2 is about to become standard. 14:12:23 q+ 14:12:30 ack Steven 14:12:33 ack lindstream 14:12:34 …: there will be a short quote about RDFa and XForms in it 14:13:07 lindstream: did anybody look closer at rNews inclusion in schema.org? 14:13:31 manu: not in detail 14:14:26 lindstream: wondering if rNews will change to use MicroData instead of RDFa 14:14:47 ACTION: Manu to ask IPTC what status of RDFa support for rNews will be in the future. 14:14:47 Created ACTION-95 - Ask IPTC what status of RDFa support for rNews will be in the future. [on Manu Sporny - due 2011-10-06]. 14:14:53 manu: I'll ask Evan and others in IPTC about that 14:15:08 Topic: ISSUE-108: Refine/deprecate Link relations 14:15:30 http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/108 14:16:04 manu: someone needs to do this - any volunteers? 14:16:33 Topic: ISSUE-104: link/meta in HTML5 flow content 14:16:41 http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/104 14:17:04 manu: this is not something we need to address in this WG 14:17:41 …: some old browser versions will move link and meta statements from body to head, messing up your markup 14:17:51 q+ 14:18:06 ack Steven 14:18:07 Nice to see HTML5 discovering XHTML2 features 14:19:06 steven: it doesn't matter to us. Our rules will work anyway. 14:19:15 q+ 14:19:29 manu: but a JS implementation might not work in old browsers 14:19:33 ack gkellogg 14:20:00 gkellog: isn't this an issue for the HTML WG? 14:20:43 manu: yes, but we should make a decision and then I can raise it in the HTML WG. 14:21:18 q+ 14:22:03 ack lindstream 14:22:18 gkellog: HTML WG needs to take a stand on this 14:22:42 lindstream: didn't Jeni already raise this with HTML WG? Shouldn't we just back her on this? 14:23:44 manu: based on our discussion here, I can raise this in HTML WG? Propose to have this in the HTML 5 spec, instead of just in the MicroData spec. 14:23:46 PROPOSAL: The RDFWA WG supports the use of link & meta in the body of HTML5 documents. 14:24:52 q+ 14:26:23 +1 14:26:24 +1 14:26:26 +1 14:26:26 +1 14:26:28 +1 14:26:29 -1 (but don't feel strongly about it) 14:26:44 RESOLVED: The RDFWA WG supports the use of link & meta in the body of HTML5 documents. 14:27:28 q+ 14:27:52 ACTION: Manu to push issue with HTML WG on LINK/META elements in body. 14:27:52 Created ACTION-96 - Push issue with HTML WG on LINK/META elements in body. [on Manu Sporny - due 2011-10-06]. 14:28:13 lindstream: we should mention somewhere that hidden data is hard to maintain, and RDFa focusses on visible data 14:28:14 q+ 14:28:19 ack lindstream 14:28:38 ack gkellogg 14:29:57 Topic: ISSUE-101: RDF 1.1 and plain literals 14:30:06 http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/101 14:30:35 q+ 14:33:41 lindstream: we should get some more input from RDF WG on how this should be handled 14:36:11 q+ :) 14:36:28 ack lindstream 14:36:28 lindstream, you wanted to say ) 14:36:49 lindstream: we are conflating two issues: 14:38:59 (which two things are conflated? the test suite and __?) 14:39:29 q+ 14:40:00 ack gkellogg 14:40:06 …: in RDFa 1.1, there is no semantic disctinction 14:40:21 manu: but it still breaks things like SPARQL queries 14:42:13 PROPOSAL: Close ISSUE-101 due to a lack of concrete guidance on how the RDF WG's plain literal decision impacts RDFa 1.1 14:42:17 +1 14:42:18 +1 14:42:19 +1 14:42:20 +1 14:42:20 +1 14:42:31 +1 14:42:35 RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-101 due to a lack of concrete guidance on how the RDF WG's plain literal decision impacts RDFa 1.1 14:42:50 Topic: RDF API and RDFa API Work 14:44:11 q+ 14:44:18 ack lindstream 14:44:19 Q= 14:44:38 manu: this work could be outsource to a community group. Any thoughts about this? 14:45:18 lindstream: RDF API is probably beyond our own WG's scope 14:45:20 q+ 14:45:54 gkellog: why did we change our name to WebApps WG, if not to deal with Web applications, which means to deal with APIs 14:46:34 (should I minute that?) 14:47:35 manu: it's unlikely that any browser vendors will support the APIs any time soon 14:47:51 …: they seem to be rather hostile towards them 14:48:21 q+ 14:48:27 ack manu1 14:48:32 …: there doesn't seem to be a strong demand for it in the community currently either 14:49:00 lindstream: one of the reasons I was invited into this WG was my interest in such APIs 14:49:20 …: but yes, maybe it could take some time to incubate 14:50:13 q+ 14:50:15 manu: this wouldn't halt the work on the APIs, instead it would give them more time. We need to standardise RDFa soon 14:50:47 ack lindstream 14:51:37 lindstream: some aspects of the API are more closely related to JSON-LD 14:52:13 manu: yes, and this is also the way our company is dealing with this issue - conversion to JSON-LD 14:53:22 people thinks it's a good idea to move this out to a community group 14:53:38 manu: that's all from the agenda. Any other business? 14:53:44 no other business. 14:53:44 -gkellogg 14:53:46 -Steven 14:53:46 -SebastianGermesin 14:53:48 -manu1 14:53:52 -Knud 14:53:54 -lindstream 14:53:54 SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended 14:53:56 Attendees were +3539149aaaa, Knud, lindstream, gkellogg, manu1, +68185775aabb, SebastianGermesin, Steven 14:54:33 lindstream has left #rdfa 15:02:38 manu, you're taking care of the minutes, right? 15:02:57 you always do, but I always ask. :) 15:11:20 ShaneM has joined #rdfa 15:12:45 Knud has joined #rdfa 15:31:35 ShaneM has joined #rdfa 15:38:08 ShaneM has left #rdfa 15:43:44 ShaneM has joined #rdfa 15:53:00 ShaneM has joined #rdfa 16:02:17 ShaneM has left #rdfa 16:16:40 trackbot has joined #rdfa 16:59:48 Zakim has left #rdfa 18:01:34 MacTed has joined #rdfa 20:12:15 RRSAgent has joined #rdfa 20:12:15 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/09/29-rdfa-irc 20:12:20 rrsagent, make logs public 20:12:26 rrsagent, bye 20:12:26 I see no action items