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14:26:32 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
14:26:32 <trackbot> Date: 22 September 2011
14:26:36 <shadi> Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)
14:26:36 <shadi> Agenda+ CFP Distribution (update and collation of lists already sent to and other perspective venues)
14:26:36 <shadi> Agenda+ Fixing the Judging and Selection Criteria - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-rd/2011Sep/0030.html
14:26:36 <shadi> Agenda+ Any Other Business
14:26:44 <shadi> chair: Shadi
14:26:48 <shadi> regrets: Simon
14:49:04 <Joshue> 4 pm BST/ZULU
14:49:22 <shadi> yes, in 10 minutes
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15:00:34 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:00:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see Mario, Joshue, shadi
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15:02:13 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see Mario, Joshue, shadi, Peter (muted), vivienne
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15:02:37 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
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15:05:07 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
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15:05:21 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:05:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see Mario (muted), Joshue (muted), shadi, Peter (muted), vivienne (muted), Markel, Giorgio, Mate
15:05:55 <markel> I'll do that
15:05:56 <Peter> (I can scribe)
15:06:10 <shadi> scribe: Joshue
15:06:12 <Joshue> scribe: Joshue
15:06:22 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:06:22 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from shadi]
15:06:41 <shadi> agenda?
15:06:48 <Joshue> SAZ: Are there any agenda requests?
15:06:51 <Zakim> +??P11
15:06:57 <yeliz> zakim, ??P11 is yeliz
15:06:57 <Zakim> +yeliz; got it
15:07:08 <Mate> zakim, mute me
15:07:08 <Zakim> Mate should now be muted
15:07:08 <yeliz> zakim, mute yeliz
15:07:09 <Zakim> yeliz should now be muted
15:07:28 <shadi> zakim, take up next
15:07:29 <Zakim> agendum 2. "CFP Distribution (update and collation of lists already sent to and other perspective venues)" taken up [from shadi]
15:08:01 <Joshue> SAZ: The CFP was out, it has been sent to several groups and others have forwarded - which is great.
15:08:23 <Joshue> SAZ: What more can we do to promote it? I have gotten requests for clarification
15:08:30 <Joshue> SAZ: What promotion has been going on?
15:08:42 <Joshue> SAZ: Has anyone been circulating it?
15:08:43 <markel> q+
15:08:48 <markel> ack
15:08:49 <vivienne> I sent it through our university
15:08:52 <giorgio> q+
15:08:54 <shadi> ack markel
15:09:12 <Joshue> Markel: I did send it to people I have been following who are involved in a11y metrics.
15:09:34 <Joshue> Markel: I gave them the link, sent to 8 different research groups.
15:09:37 <Joshue> SAZ: Great
15:09:40 <shadi> ack giorgio 
15:09:48 <Peter> q+
15:09:49 <Joshue> Giorgio: I sent it to three or four other people.
15:10:08 <giorgio> one list that comes to my mind i webaim
15:10:08 <Joshue> JOC: I also send it to about 6 academic colleagues.
15:10:10 <Peter> ack me
15:10:25 <Joshue> SAZ: Are there lists etc that we could send it to?
15:10:25 <Peter> oh no
15:10:30 <Joshue> zakim, umute Peter
15:10:30 <Zakim> I don't understand 'umute Peter', Joshue
15:10:37 <yeliz> I wonder if it could also be published in the newsletters?
15:10:39 <Peter> hmm irc I suppose
15:10:47 <yeliz> for example, SIGACCESS or SIGWEB newsletters?
15:10:49 <shadi> zakim, who is muted?
15:10:49 <Zakim> I see Mario, Joshue, vivienne, Mate, yeliz muted
15:10:50 <Peter> WIll just type for now :)
15:11:21 <yeliz> or usability newsletters
15:11:29 <Peter> I was planning to forward the CFP to OS mailing groups like mozilla accessibility, screen reader groups etc.
15:11:30 <yeliz> or may be we don't have enough time?
15:11:33 <yeliz> yes, some of them
15:11:34 <Joshue> SAZ: +1 to usablity newsletter
15:11:34 <markel> Did we get anything at the WAI-IG list?
15:11:39 <Joshue> SAZ: Do they have CFPs?
15:11:41 <Peter> Zakim, mute me
15:11:41 <Zakim> Peter should now be muted
15:11:57 <vivienne> what about groups in LinkedIn?
15:12:07 <yeliz> zakim, unmute yeliz
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15:12:17 <Joshue> SAZ: We should avoid double contacting.
15:12:25 <shadi> q+ peter markel
15:12:30 <markel> q-
15:12:33 <Joshue> Yeliz: I get regular newsletter from usability news .com
15:12:37 <Peter> q-
15:12:48 <Joshue> Yeliz: The editor can be contacted about the call?
15:12:52 <Joshue> SAZ: Great
15:13:01 <Joshue> Yeliz: Or HCI Int
15:13:25 <yeliz> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/hciinternational
15:13:25 <Joshue> Yeliz: The editor can be contacted about the call also and they upcoming events, announcements etc.
15:13:54 <yeliz> http://usabilitynews.bcs.org/
15:14:14 <Joshue> SAZ: For everyone in the group, if you do have a mailing list etc that you think interested then please check with me first.
15:14:28 <yeliz> sigaccess - http://www.sigaccess.org/community/newsletter/
15:14:35 <giorgio> I would suggst the mailing list of webaim.org
15:14:35 <Peter> Would it be easier to put the groups on a wiki? (avoid extra work for Shadi)
15:14:46 <Joshue> SAZ: I just want to check we don't crosspost.
15:14:48 <Peter> +1 webaim
15:14:50 <markel> +1 Peter
15:14:52 <yeliz> sigweb - http://www.sigweb.org/community/newsletters
15:15:03 <Joshue> SAZ: I was thinking about that Peter, yes. Why not?
15:15:42 <Joshue> SAZ: So do insert list into wiki, so we don't crosspost etc
15:15:54 <markel> DBWorld - http://www.cs.wisc.edu/dbworld/
15:16:22 <Joshue> Yeliz: If you are ok I can send a mail to a couple of groups SIGWEB, HCI Int etc
15:16:24 <Joshue> SAZ: Great
15:16:47 <markel> Interaction design - http://www.interaction-design.org/
15:16:57 <Joshue> SAZ: I'll put up that wiki page, so Yeliz please add to wiki.
15:17:00 <yeliz> zakim, mute yeliz
15:17:00 <Zakim> yeliz should now be muted
15:17:14 <markel> yes, I'll do that
15:17:16 <Mario> I have to check with Klaus to send it also to ICCHP authors.
15:17:37 <Joshue> SAZ: So please check wiki if you are going to send.
15:17:51 <yeliz> I can also post it on the W4A Linkedin group and also Facebook group?
15:18:02 <markel> oh, I see...
15:18:07 <markel> yes you are right
15:18:07 <Joshue> SAZ: Yes, this message went to the WAI-IG list
15:18:19 <Joshue> SAZ: Thats the announcement you should use.
15:18:36 <yeliz> q+
15:18:40 <yeliz> zakim, unmute yeliz
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15:18:40 <Joshue> SAZ: Try to avoid writing your own.
15:18:59 <Peter> (mozilla.dev.accessibility@googlegroups.com)
15:19:01 <Joshue> Yeliz: I can also post to W4A, on their FB page etc
15:19:03 <yeliz> zakim, mute yeliz
15:19:03 <Zakim> yeliz should now be muted
15:19:16 <markel> I think SIGCHI does also have a list for the CFP
15:19:21 <yeliz> zakim, unmute yeliz
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15:19:24 <Joshue> SAZ: I don't know if relevant but happy to
15:19:33 <Joshue> Yeliz: WebAIM newsletter?
15:19:40 <Peter> Hmm perhaps your right Shadi - will focus more on research groups.
15:19:48 <yeliz> zakim, mute yeliz
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15:19:49 <Joshue> SAZ: Ok, I'll check that myself.
15:20:21 <yeliz> zakim, unmute yeliz
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15:20:25 <yeliz> http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/activities/einclusion/newsletter/index_en.htm
15:21:00 <Joshue> SAZ: I have sent it to the Commission.
15:21:15 <yeliz> zakim, mute yeliz
15:21:15 <Zakim> yeliz should now be muted
15:21:16 <Joshue> Yeliz: It would be good to inform the eInclusion.
15:21:22 <Joshue> SAZ: I'll do that.
15:21:42 <Peter> (Jutta at http://idrc.ocad.ca/  Inclusive Design Research Centre)
15:21:58 <Peter> (oh ok :)
15:22:00 <Joshue> SAZ: I have sent it there also.
15:22:19 <Joshue> SAZ: Lets move on.
15:22:30 <Joshue> zakim, next agendum item
15:22:30 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next agendum item', Joshue
15:22:39 <Joshue> zakim, unmute me
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15:22:45 <shadi> zakim, take up next
15:22:45 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, shadi
15:22:50 <shadi> q?
15:22:52 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
15:22:52 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
15:22:57 <shadi> q- y
15:23:00 <shadi> zakim, take up next
15:23:00 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Fixing the Judging and Selection Criteria - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-rd/2011Sep/0030.html" taken up [from shadi]
15:23:32 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-rd/2011Sep/0030.html
15:23:43 <markel> alright, sorry
15:23:49 <shadi> scribe: Markel
15:23:52 <markel> i'm on it
15:25:11 <yeliz> zakim, unmute yeliz
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15:25:14 <markel> SAZ: regarding Yeliz's email on the criteria...we don't expect many contributions..we need high quality submissions and need to justify rejections...some of you are knowledgeable in organising conferences
15:25:45 <markel> YY: the CFP says that each submission will be reviewed by three reviewers
15:26:11 <markel> YY: it is necessary to establish the criteria even if we don't expect many submission
15:26:19 <Joshue> +1 to Yeliz. I liked your ideas that you outlined in your mail. Feedback is important either way. Whether successful or not.
15:26:27 <markel> YY: the SC should have the same criteria
15:26:55 <giorgio> q+
15:26:56 <markel> YY: novelty is difficult one because we said that already submited papers are welcomed
15:27:03 <markel> SAZ: any though?
15:27:19 <Joshue> s/though/thoughts
15:27:24 <shadi> [[criteria including relevance, clarity, soundness and power of the arguments, generality of results/claims, novelty]]
15:27:51 <markel> YY: what would be the impact? soundness is an important one but we don't one to scare people
15:27:55 <shadi> ack g
15:27:57 <yeliz> zakim, mute yeliz
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15:28:23 <markel> GB: the criteria in the CFP are general enough to judge the papers-
15:28:24 <markel> 
15:28:33 <markel> impact could also be included
15:28:55 <Peter> +impact perhaps easiest to measure
15:29:19 <markel> GB: it is difficult to measure clarity or novelty without seen the submissions...maybe these decisions have to be taken after reviews
15:29:23 <Joshue> Yes, totally agree with Giorgio.
15:29:39 <markel> GB: let's discuss about forms and tools for reviewers
15:29:51 <Joshue> Have we a scoring mechanism/
15:30:22 <Mario> +q
15:30:26 <markel> GB: we need to say which criteria are important and what we mean by that criteria
15:30:40 <markel> GB: I was pointing to the latter aspect
15:30:45 <markel> SAZ: both are necessary
15:30:48 <Joshue> One is weighting and one is the core value of the paper.
15:30:59 <markel> GB: I agree but the second one is more difficult
15:31:14 <yeliz> appropriatness?
15:31:24 <yeliz> Appropriateness
15:31:25 <yeliz> ?
15:31:27 <yeliz> new one?
15:31:32 <Joshue> s/weighting/wieghting
15:31:40 <markel> SAZ: impact, significance, relevance will get more clear once we have the definitions
15:31:41 <giorgio> why don't we try to formulate 1-sentence descriptions of these criteria?
15:31:44 <Mario> ack me
15:31:51 <vivienne> I don't see anything on the academic authenticity?
15:32:21 <markel> Mario: GB's idea is a good one, I've reviewed for ICCHP for years but I've never seen such thing
15:32:26 <Zakim> -Joshue
15:32:44 <markel> Mario: we need for the reviewer to put their 
15:32:52 <markel> Mario: rationale?
15:33:20 <markel> SAZ: should we start with a wiki page or should we discuss it now?
15:33:36 <giorgio> g+
15:33:38 <markel> SAZ: we have to emphasize that other groups could benefit from this
15:33:48 <markel> Mario: not now in the call
15:33:58 <markel> GB: I'd go for a wiki page
15:34:02 <vivienne> I agree with a wiki page, would allow us all to add things as we go through it
15:34:18 <markel> GB: based on my experience reviewing papers
15:34:27 <yeliz> I agree with Giorgio
15:34:45 <markel> GB: the rationale is to improve the reliability and consistency of reviewers when evaluating a paper
15:34:46 <yeliz> zakim, unmute yeliz
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15:34:59 <markel> SAZ: if we do it publicly we can get more input
15:35:07 <Mario> zakim, mute me
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15:35:23 <giorgio> if shadi could create an empty page for that I'll keep working on it.
15:35:26 <giorgio> yes
15:35:46 <giorgio> good.
15:35:51 <markel> SAZ: let's list the CFP criteria and look at definitions; can it be done by wednesday morning? 
15:36:07 <markel> SAZ: YY, is that ok?
15:36:25 <markel> YY: I can also contribute adding definitions or some question for each criteria
15:36:40 <markel> YY: defining is difficult but useful for authors and reviewers
15:36:59 <markel> YY: is good for authors to get feedback so that they can improve their submission
15:37:34 <markel> YY: my only doubt is again regarding to last week discussion with Shawn
15:37:53 <markel> YY: about academia vs industry
15:38:01 <yeliz> zakim, mute yeliz
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15:38:05 <giorgio> so we need people of this group that are notacademians to review our proposals.
15:38:23 <markel> SAZ: there are two aspects (1) criteria  and (2) how we define them
15:39:03 <markel> SAZ: GB made a good point
15:39:03 <yeliz> I agree
15:39:05 <giorgio> nono
15:39:07 <giorgio> q+
15:39:11 <yeliz> to get a different perspective, its important
15:39:21 <markel> we need academic reviewers but knowledgeable on the topic
15:39:25 <shadi> ack g
15:39:51 <yeliz> too academic
15:39:52 <yeliz> :-D
15:39:57 <markel> GB: I meant that in the wiki page should be reviewed by people who don't call themselves from academia
15:40:16 <yeliz> I agree with Giorgio
15:40:17 <yeliz> +
15:40:18 <yeliz> +1
15:40:23 <markel> GB: YY, SH, GB and MV are from the same family
15:40:43 <markel> GB: but SAZ, SLH's point of view in necessary
15:40:52 <markel> SAZ: let's have a balance SC
15:41:17 <yeliz> yes, that's why I think it was good to have Shawn
15:41:18 <yeliz> :)
15:41:24 <giorgio> q+
15:41:33 <shadi> ack g
15:41:56 <Mario> very good idea.
15:41:57 <markel> GB: to improve the CFP and the symposium we need to know how we will get feedback from participants
15:42:05 <yeliz> +1
15:42:13 <markel> GB: where participants are presenters and attendants
15:42:20 <Peter> +1 feedback form - consistency could be improved
15:43:02 <markel> SAZ: we have lots of things: define criteria, review from non-academic people, review form, etc.great ideas
15:43:07 <yeliz> zakim, unmute yeliz
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15:43:09 <markel> SAZ: other thoughs?
15:44:01 <markel> YY: one last thing about rebuttal process...in some conferences...SH really likes it....after the review authors are allowed to submit his comments back to the SC
15:44:08 <giorgio> q+
15:44:29 <shadi> ack g
15:44:31 <yeliz> zakim, mute yeliz
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15:44:46 <yeliz> zakim, unmute yeliz
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15:44:47 <markel> GB: we don't have enough time
15:44:48 <yeliz> q+
15:44:53 <markel> I agrre
15:44:56 <markel> agree
15:45:37 <shadi> ack y
15:45:45 <markel> GB: we are asking 1000 word abstracts and the most typical answer we can get from authors is that there was no enough room for explanations
15:45:55 <yeliz> zakim, mute yeliz
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15:46:07 <markel> YY: I agree with GB, maybe it'd be useful for subsequent seminars
15:46:46 <yeliz> for the first one, I agree
15:46:48 <yeliz> definitelye
15:47:02 <yeliz> we can have in mind for the following ones
15:47:19 <yeliz> I agree Shadi
15:47:25 <giorgio> ok
15:47:51 <markel> SAZ: any other thoughT?
15:48:29 <markel> SAZ: another question related to the process...is participation..agreement was that accepted papers authors will have a bit of time
15:48:33 <markel> not more than 10min
15:48:48 <markel> SAZ: should have read the papers in advance
15:49:18 <markel> SAZ: there will be a panel : weminar chairs and some open questions
15:49:36 <markel> SAZ: all depending on the number of papers and questions...
15:50:06 <markel> SAZ: there will be physical limitations
15:50:15 <giorgio> wha kind of capcity can we handle?
15:50:16 <markel> SAZ: of how many people we can accept
15:50:36 <markel> SAZ: I have to check that
15:50:43 <giorgio> q+
15:50:43 <markel> SAZ: I remember 150
15:50:57 <markel> SAZ: members of the RDWG should have a seat
15:51:26 <shadi> ack g
15:51:36 <markel> SAZ: if we wanna do some other criteria such as first come first serve basis
15:51:57 <Zakim> -Mate
15:51:58 <Mario> ok
15:52:02 <markel> GB: I agree on RDWG members, accepted papers + authors of rejected papers
15:52:09 <markel> SAZ: good point
15:52:23 <vivienne> sounds good
15:52:47 <markel> SAZ: do we need invitees?
15:53:00 <giorgio> why not?
15:53:03 <Peter> sure
15:53:06 <markel> SAZ: relevant people that don't have time to submit
15:53:12 <vivienne> good
15:53:12 <markel> I agree with that
15:53:34 <yeliz> zakim, unmute yeliz
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15:53:41 <markel> SAZ: once we have that we can open to first come served
15:53:58 <markel> YY: we can give priority from...research groups
15:54:10 <markel> what about people from industry?
15:54:14 <yeliz> for example, yahoo accessibility group, Google accessibility group
15:54:40 <markel> SAZ: somebody from WCAG...back to the SC
15:54:41 <yeliz> zakim, mute yeliz
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15:54:42 <giorgio> q+
15:55:01 <shadi> ack g
15:55:16 <markel> GB: I'd be happy if Google, Yahoo or Amazon join but perhaps we have to be clear on the criteria for invitations.
15:55:37 <markel> GB: Inviting sb who is highly cited is a good idea
15:55:51 <markel> GB: excluding or missing groups might be a problem
15:56:10 <Peter> put criteria on the wiki? :)
15:56:12 <giorgio> who and why
15:56:19 <markel> SAZ: we need a criteria for this too: who do we invite, who has priority?
15:56:23 <Mario> Let's also think about these criteria in the Wiki.
15:56:38 <markel> SAZ: with 150 people we can accomodate most people
15:57:13 <markel> SAZ: people have to think who do we want on the phone
15:57:16 <giorgio> the real question is how many reservd seat are there, and how are they assigned.
15:57:34 <markel> SAZ: one criteria could be sb how could add value
15:58:12 <markel> SAZ: anything else to raise?
15:58:35 <markel> SAZ: thank you very much, I'll set the wiki pages
15:59:04 <markel> SAZ: we have an agenda for next week
15:59:08 <vivienne> good night all
15:59:10 <yeliz> byee
15:59:11 <giorgio> ok. thanks and bye
15:59:11 <Peter> cheers
15:59:13 <markel> bye!
15:59:14 <Mario> Thanks and bye!
15:59:19 <Zakim> -yeliz
15:59:20 <markel> :-)
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15:59:24 <Zakim> -vivienne
15:59:26 <giorgio> bye
15:59:27 <Zakim> -shadi
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16:01:18 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
16:01:18 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:01:18 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Mario, Joshue, shadi, vivienne, Peter, +1.361.279.aaaa, Mate, Markel, Giorgio, yeliz
16:01:19 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:01:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/22-rd-minutes.html trackbot
16:01:20 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:01:20 <RRSAgent> I see no action items