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15:02:35 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
15:02:35 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago
15:02:36 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:02:36 <trackbot> Date: 22 September 2011
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15:02:54 <MichaelC> zakim, this is 2119
15:02:54 <Zakim> ok, MichaelC; that matches WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM
15:02:58 <MichaelC> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:02:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see John_Foliot, ??P26, Michael_Cooper
15:03:05 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P26 is Janina_Sajka
15:03:05 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
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15:03:36 <MichaelC> regrets: Cynthia_Shelly, Laura_Carlson
15:03:58 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P22 is Léonie_Watson
15:03:58 <Zakim> +Léonie_Watson; got it
15:04:08 <janina> Meeting: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference
15:04:08 <janina> Chair: Janina_Sajka
15:04:08 <janina> Scribe: Steve_Faulkner
15:04:08 <janina> agenda: this
15:04:08 <janina> agenda+ Subteam Reports: Media; Bug Triage; Canvas; ARIA Mapping; Text;
15:04:09 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:04:09 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Sep/0083.html
15:04:11 <janina> agenda+ Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open
15:04:13 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe for 29 September http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
15:04:15 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:04:26 <janina>  zakim, who's here?
15:04:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see John_Foliot, Janina_Sajka, Michael_Cooper, Léonie_Watson, Judy
15:04:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see JF, LeonieWatson, Zakim, RRSAgent, richardschwerdtfe, Joshue, davidb, MikeSmith, MichaelC, janina, trackbot, [tm]
15:05:16 <janina> Rich, Will you be dialing in?
15:05:31 <richardschwerdtfe> yes, it does not like the 2119 passcode
15:05:39 <richardschwerdtfe> did it change?
15:06:09 <janina> Rich, You're listed in last weeks minutes as fallback scribe for today, and the primary scribe isn't here either!
15:08:36 <richardschwerdtfe> well I am using skype
15:08:40 <richardschwerdtfe> it should work fine
15:08:47 <LeonieWatson> scribe: LeonieWatson
15:09:13 <LeonieWatson> zakim, next item
15:09:13 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Subteam Reports: Media; Bug Triage; Canvas; ARIA Mapping; Text;" taken up [from janina]
15:10:19 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
15:10:20 <LeonieWatson> JF: Attended the TV on the Web workshop. Lots of stuff about bringing TV to the web. Two key topics, one of interest to our group... Timestamp format.
15:12:20 <richardschwerdtfe> scribe: Rich
15:12:35 <richardschwerdtfe> scribe:Leonie
15:12:36 <MichaelC> scribe: LeonieWatson
15:12:40 <richardschwerdtfe> scribe: Leonie
15:14:01 <LeonieWatson> JF: The FTC issued their memorandum for proposed role making, and there was no specific mention of a timestamp format, only that cpations should be provided.
15:14:26 <LeonieWatson> s/cpations /captions
15:15:55 <LeonieWatson> The notion of a community group to bring Web TT into the W3C. Mechanics are unclear, some concerns about the group being more than a rubberstamp.
15:16:27 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
15:16:29 <LeonieWatson> JF: People included in the discussion included David Singer, Silvia Pfeiffer and others.
15:16:46 <LeonieWatson> s/FTC/FCC/
15:17:36 <LeonieWatson> JB: The VPAC had provided a report to the FCC, and specified criteria for captions.
15:18:19 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
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15:20:39 <richardschwerdtfe> ya think?
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15:23:03 <LeonieWatson> JF: My view is that the strength of a community group is the knowledge and expertise. Moving it into the W3C will happen and the group will legitamise the work.
15:23:20 <Judy> rrsagent, make minutes
15:23:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/22-html-a11y-minutes.html Judy
15:24:14 <LeonieWatson> JF: It was important for the movie and TV people to hear this would be a flexible process.
15:25:04 <Judy> s/memorandum for proposed role making/notice of proposed rule making/
15:25:42 <LeonieWatson> JF: You were mentioning multiple output devices before the telecon?
15:26:01 <LeonieWatson> s/JF: You/JS:You/
15:26:42 <LeonieWatson> JF: Imagine a travelogue programme, embedded into the stream is some meta data, the TV is connected to a network so the meta data is transmitted throughout.
15:27:29 <LeonieWatson> JF: Perhaps the person watching the programme had previously visited the city featured in the traveloue. It could be possible for them to be viewing photos of their visit on their iPad, based on the broadcast meta data.
15:27:51 <LeonieWatson> JF: It could therefore be possible to stream captions in a similar way.
15:28:13 <LeonieWatson> JF: Wanted to convey accessibility could be exciting, not a constraint.
15:28:21 <LeonieWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:28:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/22-html-a11y-minutes.html LeonieWatson
15:28:54 <LeonieWatson> JS: We're more likely to get technologies made available where there is convergance with the mainstream.
15:29:19 <Judy> s/The VPAC had provided a report to the FCC, and specified criteria for captions. /The FCC has not issued their Notice of Proposed Rule Making (NPRM) on captioning yet. For captioning, the FCC Video Programming Access Advisory Committee (VPAAC) has provided a report to the FCC with recommendations regarding captioning. These recommendations were not to lock in a single captioning format for the next decade or so, but rather to specify that the captioning for
15:30:17 <LeonieWatson> JF: There was talk about things like graphic based fonts. Care needs to be taken over these things, because text descriptions would still be needed. A flag at this stage, not a big deal.
15:31:04 <LeonieWatson> JB: Would like to talk offline about this, to see if we can connect the dots.
15:31:16 <LeonieWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:31:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/22-html-a11y-minutes.html LeonieWatson
15:32:00 <LeonieWatson> JF: One idea was to create a series of task forces to look at different topics.
15:32:31 <LeonieWatson> JF: A gentleman whose name I forget mentioned a task force relating to accessibility.
15:32:50 <LeonieWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:32:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/22-html-a11y-minutes.html LeonieWatson
15:34:12 <Judy> zakim, who's here?
15:34:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see John_Foliot, Janina_Sajka, Léonie_Watson, Judy, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Michael_Cooper
15:34:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see Judy, LeonieWatson, MichaelC, JF, Zakim, RRSAgent, richardschwerdtfe, Joshue, davidb, MikeSmith, janina, trackbot, [tm]
15:34:59 <richardschwerdtfe> scribe: Rich
15:35:03 <richardschwerdtfe> Topic: Triage
15:35:20 <richardschwerdtfe> Leonie: we met this Tuesday and we are the majority of the way through the first round.
15:35:36 <richardschwerdtfe> Leonie: we looked at tagged and untagged bugs
15:35:40 <JF> q+
15:36:07 <richardschwerdtfe> Leonie: our plan is to wrap up next week the last 2 reviews from a task force perspective
15:36:27 <LeonieWatson> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13503
15:36:55 <richardschwerdtfe> Leonie: This one we need more help from the media guys. This is about the video ready state
15:37:11 <richardschwerdtfe> Leonie: If any issues it would have to do with captions timing
15:37:23 <richardschwerdtfe> janina: or descriptions
15:37:50 <richardschwerdtfe> JF: Let me talk to Silvia and Eric Carlson to see if it is a problem. It may be a problem but I don't think so
15:38:00 <richardschwerdtfe> JF: at this point the a11y keyword is there
15:38:12 <richardschwerdtfe> JF: Thank you for bringing this to my attention
15:38:20 <LeonieWatson> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13534
15:38:28 <richardschwerdtfe> Leonie: the other 2 that we had was for the task force in general
15:38:40 <richardschwerdtfe> Leonie: this was about DOM core or DOM tree
15:39:15 <richardschwerdtfe> janina: anyone with DOM chops to look at this particular bug
15:39:28 <richardschwerdtfe> JF: Steve or Cynthia
15:39:50 <richardschwerdtfe> Leonie: Steve could not work on task force for full time but could look at things
15:39:55 <richardschwerdtfe> JF: I would ask both
15:40:06 <LeonieWatson> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13174
15:40:09 <richardschwerdtfe> janina; I support that
15:40:16 <richardschwerdtfe> janina: I support that
15:40:41 <richardschwerdtfe> Leonie: this was about adding block level elements in the TH tag
15:42:17 <richardschwerdtfe> Rich: I don't think this is a a problem for most things but headings inside would be a problem
15:42:27 <richardschwerdtfe> JF: Lists would be a problem
15:42:51 <richardschwerdtfe> Rich: how do you groc a list as a table hearer?
15:42:58 <richardschwerdtfe> s/hearer/header/
15:43:24 <richardschwerdtfe> JF: so if we have name and address and do we do list name and then list address
15:43:49 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
15:43:49 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
15:43:50 <Zakim> +Mike
15:44:16 <MikeSmith> q?
15:44:22 <richardschwerdtfe> JF: If someone decides to do markup like that can we restrict it? Should they be allowed to do this?
15:44:29 <janina> q?
15:44:38 <janina> ack j
15:44:46 <richardschwerdtfe> JF: we need to take opinion out of it
15:45:19 <LeonieWatson> RS: What you'd essentially have to do is walk the entire DOm. That's not ideal.
15:45:39 <richardschwerdtfe> JF: we need to detail this
15:46:31 <LeonieWatson> RS: The only time this is likely to be used is with a layout table.
15:46:56 <LeonieWatson> RS: You have to ask what is the table header? Don't think it's difficult to defend this.
15:51:04 <richardschwerdtfe> Topic: Issue 131
15:51:06 <richardschwerdtfe> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2011JulSep/0275.html
15:52:37 <LeonieWatson> RS: Maciej requested we separate focus ring into two function calls in the change proposal. I dropped him a line, but haven't had a response yet.
15:52:46 <LeonieWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:52:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/22-html-a11y-minutes.html LeonieWatson
15:52:55 <LeonieWatson> JB: Could you resend and copy me in?
15:53:17 <LeonieWatson> MS: I'll mention it on the WG call, not sure Maciej will be there though.
15:53:56 <richardschwerdtfe> Topic: 13176 defect
15:53:58 <richardschwerdtfe> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13176
15:54:33 <LeonieWatson> RS: There's a bug relating to bounds of an object. Assumptions were made about how ATs work and the bug was closed. 
15:55:34 <LeonieWatson> RS: As soon as we hear that the change proposal is ok (from Maciej), we'll take the next steps.
15:55:57 <LeonieWatson> JS: In the HTML WG minutes it mentions that Maciej and Paul might be on vacation at the moment?
15:56:49 <LeonieWatson> MS: You do have the option of escalating it.
15:57:00 <LeonieWatson> JB: Which approach will keep it moving most effectively Mike?
15:57:19 <LeonieWatson> MS: It may be better not to go back/forth over it again.
15:57:44 <LeonieWatson> RS: I conveyed the use case and the requirements provided by AISquared.
15:58:02 <LeonieWatson> MS: If there's new information, it may be better to wait for a response on it.
15:58:13 <LeonieWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:58:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/22-html-a11y-minutes.html LeonieWatson
15:59:41 <LeonieWatson> MS: On reflection, let's wait another week on this and see where we are next week.
16:00:13 <LeonieWatson> RS: Scroll element into view is another bug.
16:00:23 <richardschwerdtfe> Topic: Defect 13391
16:00:25 <richardschwerdtfe> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13391
16:01:15 <LeonieWatson> RS: I've clarified some information with Jonas at Mozilla. 
16:01:28 <LeonieWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
16:01:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/22-html-a11y-minutes.html LeonieWatson
16:02:13 <richardschwerdtfe> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:02:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/22-html-a11y-minutes.html richardschwerdtfe
16:02:54 <Zakim> -Judy
16:02:54 <richardschwerdtfe> yw
16:02:58 <richardschwerdtfe> lol
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16:03:16 <richardschwerdtfe> RRSAgent, make log public
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16:03:23 <Zakim> -Mike
16:03:23 <richardschwerdtfe> zakim, bye
16:03:25 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
16:03:27 <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
16:03:29 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
16:03:33 <richardschwerdtfe> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:03:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/22-html-a11y-minutes.html richardschwerdtfe
16:03:43 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were John_Foliot, Michael_Cooper, Janina_Sajka, Judy, Léonie_Watson, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Mike
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