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16:02:03 <michel> zakim, this is hcls
16:02:04 <Zakim> ok, michel; that matches SW_HCLS(TMO)11:00AM
16:02:22 <michel> zakim, who is here?
16:02:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tony, ??P15, +31.62.427.aaaa, ??P34, +46.4.63.3.aabb
16:02:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, mscottm, BobF, michel, bbalsa, matthias_samwald, ericP
16:03:05 <Zakim> +Joanne_Luciano
16:08:29 <michel> agenda 1. short report 2. use cases
16:10:27 <mscottm> Michel: Scott and I were discussing the use of the term 'provenance' at the OpenPHACTS workshop on Monday
16:11:05 <mscottm> Michel: Specifics about which device produced certain data isn't provenance to me.
16:11:47 <mscottm> BobF: Sounds like a useful distinction. Regardless of where you decide to draw the line, both types of information are necessary. Don't you agree?
16:15:01 <michel> provenance refers to the source of data and other attributes, for instance, when the data was obtained
16:15:24 <mscottm> Joanne: In 'data science', different definitions/types of provenance can be useful.
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16:17:24 <michel> but it's important to distinguish this informational provenance from a description of the data and how it was generated, rather than how it was obtained
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16:18:49 <mscottm> Bosse: Capturing domain-specific details of how data was created could be useful for many purposes.
16:20:59 <mscottm> Scott: Michel and I agreed on Monday that it is important to settle on what we mean by the term 'provenance'. Maybe a useful conversation to have on the mailing list with participation from the Provenance WG.
16:26:05 <Zakim> -Joanne_Luciano
16:28:17 <michel> matthias: future is to combine simple classification with mathematical expressions;
16:31:23 <michel> michel: use of probabilistic description logics allow for slightly more sophisticated representation and brings us closer to prediction
16:31:43 <michel> scott: not sure that this would fit; a bit of a can of worms
16:32:04 <michel> matthias: still early with fuzzy logics; not sure what the future holds
16:34:33 <Zakim> -Tony
16:39:45 <mscottm> http://del-fi.org/consent
16:39:59 <mscottm> http://sagecongress.org/WP/2011agenda/groupd/
16:40:47 <michel> michel: could rdf/owl be used for patient participation?
16:45:14 <matthias_samwald> example of a genome interpretation for an individual (steve pinker in that case): http://evidence.personalgenomes.org/genomes?display_genome_id=b86b0e49b2757f9458a3757de976f3bccbea1c23
16:48:23 <mscottm> Bosse: Would like to see the notion of feedback incorporated into the pipeline. Sometimes you start with outliers and work your way back.
16:49:22 <matthias_samwald> another example: http://evidence.personalgenomes.org/TPMT-Y240C
16:50:25 <mscottm> Matthias: Please add your affiliations.
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16:55:59 <michel> boose: alternatives to warfarin should be discussed
16:56:11 <michel> s/boose/bosse
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