IRC log of sparql on 2011-09-20

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RRSAgent, make logs world

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Zakim, this will be 77277

14:00:06 [Zakim]

ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start now

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Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 20 September 2011

14:00:48 [bglimm]

Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:00:48 [Zakim]

SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, bglimm

14:00:49 [Zakim]

On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, cbuilara, bglimm, AxelPolleres, Olivier, LeeF, iv_an_ru__, SteveH, trackbot, kasei, sandro, NickH, ericP

14:01:32 [AxelPolleres]

agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-09-20

14:01:35 [bglimm]

Is Zakim just slow or should I dial in again to be recognised?

14:01:52 [kasei]

really big echo, Axel

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14:02:21 [bglimm]

Zakim, mute me

14:02:21 [Zakim]

sorry, bglimm, I don't know what conference this is

14:02:29 [bglimm]

Zakim, this is SPARQL

14:02:29 [Zakim]

ok, bglimm; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM

14:02:33 [AxelPolleres]

Zakim, who is talking?

14:02:41 [bglimm]

Zakim, mute me

14:02:41 [Zakim]

sorry, bglimm, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

14:02:43 [Zakim]

AxelPolleres, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P22 (40%), AxelPolleres (43%)

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+LeeF

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-??P20

14:03:00 [bglimm]

I'll try dialing in again

14:03:03 [Zakim]

-??P22

14:03:06 [Zakim]

+ +3539149aaaa

14:03:14 [alex_]

Zakim, +3539149aaaa is me

14:03:14 [Zakim]

+alex_; got it

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+??P31

14:03:21 [cbuilara]

zakim, ??P31 is me

14:03:21 [Zakim]

+cbuilara; got it

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+??P32

14:03:35 [bglimm]

Zakim, ??P32 is me

14:03:35 [Zakim]

+bglimm; got it

14:03:36 [kasei]

echo again

14:03:39 [bglimm]

Zakim, mute me

14:03:40 [Zakim]

bglimm should now be muted

14:03:42 [alexpassant]

Zakim, scribenick is alexpassant

14:03:42 [Zakim]

sorry, alexpassant, I do not recognize a party named 'scribenick'

14:03:51 [AxelPolleres]

topic: admin

14:04:01 [alexpassant]

AxelPolleres: topic: admin

14:04:04 [kasei]

scribenick: alexpassant

14:04:10 [alexpassant]

... approving minutes from last week

14:04:17 [AxelPolleres]

PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-09-13

14:04:41 [AxelPolleres]

RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-09-13

14:05:08 [alexpassant]

... next week scribe is cbuilara

14:05:32 [alexpassant]

... item: liaisons with RDF WG

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... no update

14:05:57 [alexpassant]

... status of unpublished documents

14:06:03 [alexpassant]

... 1) fed query

14:06:30 [AxelPolleres]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011JulSep/0263.html

14:07:05 [AxelPolleres]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/fed/service

14:07:11 [alexpassant]

cbuilara: this is the last version of the doc

14:08:05 [alexpassant]

... current problem on evaluate IRIs

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... will send comments to the list

14:09:36 [kasei]

q+

14:09:55 [alexpassant]

kasei: doesn't address the long running concern

14:10:08 [alexpassant]

... semantics says that's an error if it's not a IRI

14:10:33 [alexpassant]

... no way to get to the "executetion fails" branch based on the current algebra

14:10:47 [alexpassant]

... cannot see how to describe (sec4) when it's not a IRI

14:11:54 [alexpassant]

... there's no way to get to the error case (as in AxelPolleres' email)

14:12:23 [alexpassant]

AxelPolleres: I was assuming that's a IRI

14:15:15 [Zakim]

-cbuilara

14:15:56 [AxelPolleres]

Is anybody still around?

14:16:03 [Zakim]

+??P21

14:16:08 [cbuilara]

zakim, ??P21 is me

14:16:08 [Zakim]

+cbuilara; got it

14:17:30 [AxelPolleres]

within 2-3 weeks we should hopefully have a complete draft.

14:17:34 [alex_]

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14:18:11 [LeeF]

AxelPolleres: protocol status?

14:18:18 [LeeF]

LeeF: Greg did a bunch of work to add update exampels to the document

14:18:34 [alexpassant]

AxelPolleres: no updates on other documents

14:18:34 [LeeF]

LeeF: the next significant step is to implement the apparent consensus on dataset parameters for update queries

14:18:45 [LeeF]

LeeF: then a bunch of loose ends to tie up

14:18:52 [LeeF]

LeeF: hopeful that we can have a complete draft in 2 or 3 weeks

14:19:21 [alexpassant]

... topic: progress on test suite

14:19:30 [AxelPolleres]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/TestSuiteCoverage

14:20:01 [alexpassant]

... actions on coverage for query test cases by greg

14:20:09 [alexpassant]

kasei: gone through them

14:20:14 [alexpassant]

... big action

14:20:21 [alexpassant]

... hesitant to close it - but happy with them

14:21:37 [alexpassant]

AxelPolleres: tempted to close this if no more volunteer

14:21:45 [alexpassant]

... best effort to cover the test cases

14:21:52 [kasei]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011JulSep/0184.html

14:22:13 [alexpassant]

... functions are also covered

14:23:28 [alexpassant]

... need to check coverage of errors in aggregate evaluation

14:23:36 [AxelPolleres]

Zakim, pick a victim

14:23:36 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose LeeF

14:23:36 [Olivier]

I can have a look

14:24:31 [AxelPolleres]

ACTION: Olivier to check Query test cases coverage in terms of errors in aggregate evaluation and positiveEXISTS tests

14:24:32 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-531 - Check Query test cases coverage in terms of errors in aggregate evaluation and positiveEXISTS tests [on Olivier Corby - due 2011-09-27].

14:24:47 [AxelPolleres]

close ACTION-494

14:24:47 [trackbot]

ACTION-494 Check coverage on query test cases. closed

14:25:56 [AxelPolleres]

leave ACTION-495 continued, until we have protocol doccompleted

14:26:15 [alexpassant]

... next: test for graph store protocol

14:26:22 [AxelPolleres]

leave ACTION-496 continued

14:26:54 [bglimm]

Zakim, unmmute me

14:26:54 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'unmmute me', bglimm

14:27:10 [bglimm]

Zakim, unmute me

14:27:10 [Zakim]

bglimm should no longer be muted

14:27:21 [bglimm]

Zakim, mute me

14:27:22 [Zakim]

bglimm should now be muted

14:27:48 [AxelPolleres]

ACTIONS 518 and 519 also continued

14:27:50 [alexpassant]

alexpassant: no progress yet on update tc

14:28:07 [alexpassant]

AxelPolleres: need to keep action open on SILENT

14:28:59 [alexpassant]

... action on Olivier

14:29:08 [alexpassant]

Olivier: done action - found 2 small errors in queries

14:29:16 [Olivier]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011JulSep/0203.html

14:29:18 [alexpassant]

... SILENT was not in the query but in the manifest

14:30:20 [AxelPolleres]

close ACTION-523

14:30:20 [trackbot]

ACTION-523 Look into test cases at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/update-silent/ for approval next time. closed

14:31:04 [AxelPolleres]

ACTION-517: Axel to take ACTION523 into account for completion of this action

14:31:04 [trackbot]

ACTION-517 Look into negative evaluation tests and "silent success test" possibility for update tests. notes added

14:31:34 [kasei]

I'm going to try to deal with 527 today

14:31:39 [alexpassant]

AxelPolleres: no more actions on test cases

14:31:44 [alexpassant]

... check remaining open actions

14:31:51 [alexpassant]

... old actions that we may close

14:32:24 [LeeF]

ACTION-276?

14:32:24 [trackbot]

ACTION-276 -- Lee Feigenbaum to find out whether the scripts for auto-generating http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/r2 are reusable? -- due 2010-07-07 -- OPEN

14:32:25 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/276

14:32:40 [alexpassant]

... TC overview, any script to autogenerate

14:32:54 [alexpassant]

LeeF: probably more productive to start with kasei stuff

14:33:03 [alexpassant]

... summarize the TC

14:33:08 [alexpassant]

kasei: current one is reading manifest

14:33:26 [alexpassant]

... would be trivial if we rely on the dependency chain

14:33:51 [LeeF]

thanks, Greg

14:33:59 [AxelPolleres]

close ACTION-276

14:33:59 [trackbot]

ACTION-276 Find out whether the scripts for auto-generating http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/r2 are reusable? closed

14:34:39 [AxelPolleres]

ACTION: greg to look into how to generate a script that auto-generates a test cases overview page like we had for http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/r2

14:34:39 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-532 - Look into how to generate a script that auto-generates a test cases overview page like we had for http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/r2 [on Gregory Williams - due 2011-09-27].

14:35:20 [LeeF]

ACTION-290?

14:35:20 [trackbot]

ACTION-290 -- Lee Feigenbaum to make sure that the relationship between SPARQL protocol and HTTP protocol is clearly laid out before Last Call -- due 2010-08-17 -- OPEN

14:35:20 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/290

14:35:22 [alexpassant]

AxelPolleres: progress on the protocol, still open issue ? (action 290)

14:35:35 [alexpassant]

LeeF: should go in the overview document

14:36:28 [AxelPolleres]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/sparql11-overview/Overview.xml

14:36:54 [AxelPolleres]

ACTION: Axel to add a link to the overview do to the wiki and check whether we link to latest WDs in general

14:36:55 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-533 - Add a link to the overview do to the wiki and check whether we link to latest WDs in general [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-09-27].

14:37:32 [alexpassant]

AxelPolleres: pending action on adding a disclaimer to the SPARUL submission

14:37:37 [alexpassant]

LeeF: trouble finding a consensus

14:37:51 [alexpassant]

... google now provides the correct link first

14:37:56 [alexpassant]

... maybe that's enough

14:38:08 [alexpassant]

AxelPolleres: find with that

14:38:43 [AxelPolleres]

clsoe ACTION-296

14:39:18 [LeeF]

close ACTION-290

14:39:19 [trackbot]

ACTION-290 Make sure that the relationship between SPARQL protocol and HTTP protocol is clearly laid out before Last Call closed

14:39:21 [LeeF]

close ACTION-296

14:39:21 [trackbot]

ACTION-296 to suggest a wording for a disclaimer text for the SPARQL update member submission closed

14:40:23 [LeeF]

ACTION-292?

14:40:23 [trackbot]

ACTION-292 -- Lee Feigenbaum to make sure text on transactionality/concurrency gets added to protocol document -- due 2010-08-17 -- OPEN

14:40:23 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/292

14:40:31 [alexpassant]

... one more about concurrency on the protocol

14:41:15 [AxelPolleres]

close ACTION-271

14:41:16 [trackbot]

ACTION-271 Collect initial update test cases and put them in CVS in manifest format. closed

14:41:45 [AxelPolleres]

close ACTION-296

14:41:45 [trackbot]

ACTION-296 to suggest a wording for a disclaimer text for the SPARQL update member submission closed

14:42:16 [AxelPolleres]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/366

14:42:54 [LeeF]

ACTION-366?

14:42:54 [trackbot]

ACTION-366 -- Lee Feigenbaum to remind Sandro about registering JSON & Update MIME types, and checking on the Query and XML format status -- due 2011-01-25 -- OPEN

14:42:54 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/366

14:42:56 [alexpassant]

LeeF: need to ask sandro about mime types

14:44:33 [AxelPolleres]

close ACTION-373

14:44:33 [trackbot]

ACTION-373 Look at subquery tests closed

14:44:56 [alexpassant]

AxelPolleres: JSON format - done

14:44:56 [AxelPolleres]

close ACTION-386

14:44:57 [trackbot]

ACTION-386 Email to W3C to get shortname approved for JSON result doc closed

14:45:54 [AxelPolleres]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Feb/0018.html

14:49:49 [AxelPolleres]

ACTION: greg to answer http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Feb/0018.html stating that we have addressed this comment in spirit.

14:49:49 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-534 - Answer http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Feb/0018.html stating that we have addressed this comment in spirit. [on Gregory Williams - due 2011-09-27].

14:50:05 [AxelPolleres]

close ACTION-400

14:50:06 [trackbot]

ACTION-400 Look into whether testcase manifests could be split as suggested in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Feb/0018.html closed

14:51:12 [AxelPolleres]

close ACTION-402

14:51:12 [trackbot]

ACTION-402 Take care of RV-7 closed

14:51:51 [LeeF]

can't hear you, Axel

14:51:54 [alexpassant]

AxelPolleres: action re. the overview document

14:52:10 [LeeF]

ACTION-412?

14:52:10 [trackbot]

ACTION-412 -- Lee Feigenbaum to make sure overview document is clear about (non-)relationship between service description and rdf dataset http protocol -- due 2011-03-22 -- OPEN

14:52:10 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/412

14:52:25 [alexpassant]

LeeF: happy to close

14:52:33 [AxelPolleres]

close ACTION412

14:52:36 [AxelPolleres]

close ACTION-412

14:52:37 [trackbot]

ACTION-412 Make sure overview document is clear about (non-)relationship between service description and rdf dataset http protocol closed

14:53:26 [kasei]

if is one of the things that stradles the border of "functions"

14:53:34 [kasei]

there are 2 IF tests already

14:53:40 [LeeF]

oh ok

14:53:53 [AxelPolleres]

close ACTION-424

14:53:54 [trackbot]

ACTION-424 Follow-up and make sure we get IF() tests closed

14:54:32 [AxelPolleres]

close ACTION-441

14:54:33 [trackbot]

ACTION-441 Follow-up with Andy and Chime about running entailment test cases closed

14:55:39 [kasei]

q+ can I have a minute or two to ask about ACTION-504?

14:55:45 [AxelPolleres]

close ACTION-462

14:55:45 [trackbot]

ACTION-462 Draft an informative example for interplay of bindings and service ... to be added post LC closed

14:56:03 [AxelPolleres]

close ACTION-469

14:56:03 [trackbot]

ACTION-469 Coordinate publication of JSON results LC with Andy and Sandro closed

14:56:48 [AxelPolleres]

close ACTION-470

14:56:49 [trackbot]

ACTION-470 Coordinate publication of federated query LC with Carlos and Sandro closed

14:57:42 [kasei]

q+ to ask about ACTION-504

14:58:22 [AxelPolleres]

close ACTION-475

14:58:22 [trackbot]

ACTION-475 Look at SERVICE tests closed

14:58:28 [AxelPolleres]

close ACTION-476

14:58:28 [trackbot]

ACTION-476 Talk to w3 systems team about hosting two simple sparql endpoints for testing SERVICE closed

14:59:27 [alexpassant]

kasei: no familiarity with relax-ng so more confortable if someone can make the change

15:00:47 [AxelPolleres]

ACTION: axel to look into where we take it from ACTION-504 (need someone to update schema files as well)

15:00:47 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-535 - Look into where we take it from ACTION-504 (need someone to update schema files as well) [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-09-27].

15:01:37 [bglimm]

bye

15:01:44 [Zakim]

-bglimm

15:01:52 [Zakim]

-Vivien

15:01:58 [Zakim]

-cbuilara

15:02:02 [Zakim]

-kasei

15:02:04 [Zakim]

-alex_

15:02:04 [AxelPolleres]

axel: I am at risk next week

15:02:08 [Zakim]

-LeeF

15:02:09 [AxelPolleres]

adjourned

15:02:44 [AxelPolleres]

rrsagent, make records public

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-AxelPolleres

15:02:54 [Zakim]

SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were kasei, Vivien, AxelPolleres, LeeF, alex_, cbuilara, bglimm

15:04:36 [alexpassant]

rssagent, generate minutes

15:04:49 [alexpassant]

RRSAgent, generate minutes

15:04:49 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/20-sparql-minutes.html alexpassant

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