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14:54:50 <LeonieWatson> Meeting: HTML-A11y Bug triage telcon
14:55:05 <LeonieWatson> Chair: Léonie Watson
14:55:35 <LeonieWatson> agenda: this
14:55:42 <LeonieWatson> agenda+ Identify Scribe
14:55:50 <LeonieWatson> agenda+ Tagged bugs review
14:55:56 <LeonieWatson> agenda+ Untagged bugs review
14:56:04 <LeonieWatson> agenda+ Monitoring new bugs
14:56:11 <LeonieWatson> agenda+ be done
14:56:48 <LeonieWatson> Zakim, save agenda
14:57:25 <Zakim> ok, LeonieWatson, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2011/09/20-a11y-bugs-agenda.rdf
14:58:45 <LeonieWatson> Regrets: Marco Ranon, Joshu O'Connor, Hans Hillen
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15:00:58 <LeonieWatson> Regrets: Marco Ranon, Joshurrsagent, make minutes
15:01:12 <LeonieWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:01:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/20-a11y-bugs-minutes.html LeonieWatson
15:02:42 <MichaelC> zakim, this is 2119
15:02:42 <Zakim> ok, MichaelC; that matches WAI_PFWG(HTML_TF)11:00AM
15:02:49 <MichaelC> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:02:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P13, ??P16, Michael_Cooper
15:03:04 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P13 is Léonie_Watson
15:03:04 <Zakim> +Léonie_Watson; got it
15:03:09 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P16 is Gez_Lemon
15:03:09 <Zakim> +Gez_Lemon; got it
15:03:13 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make log world
15:03:34 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
15:03:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/20-a11y-bugs-minutes.html MichaelC
15:04:09 <MichaelC> regrets- Joshurrsagent, make_minutes
15:04:17 <MichaelC> regrets+ Joshue_O_Connor
15:05:21 <MichaelC> scribe: Gez
15:05:26 <MichaelC> agenda?
15:05:36 <MichaelC> zakim, close item 1
15:05:36 <Zakim> agendum 1, Identify Scribe, closed
15:05:37 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:05:39 <Zakim> 2. Tagged bugs review [from LeonieWatson]
15:05:40 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
15:05:40 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Tagged bugs review" taken up [from LeonieWatson]
15:06:09 <Gez> MC: No new input 
15:06:37 <MichaelC> zakim, close this item
15:06:37 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
15:06:38 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:06:40 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
15:06:40 <Zakim> 3. Untagged bugs review [from LeonieWatson]
15:06:42 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Untagged bugs review" taken up [from LeonieWatson]
15:06:59 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13498
15:07:06 <Gez> MC 10 out of 70 bugs require extra input. Starting with 13498
15:08:17 <Gez> MC I think it's equivalent to onload - DOM is fully loaded. Not sure if this has an accessibility impact. Could effect AT, but not sure this would be more than any other user agent
15:09:01 <Gez> MC We agree this isn't an accessibility issue
15:09:03 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13503 
15:09:54 <Gez> MC About video ready state. Seems it might be related to the document ready state. Probably nothing specific to AT 
15:10:09 <Gez> LW Good point about syncronisation
15:11:38 <Gez> MC: Mark it for the media team
15:11:58 <Gez> LW: This could be a big problem, so should be tracked
15:12:34 <Gez> MC: Remember to bring this up on Thursday to bring to attention
15:12:41 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13523
15:13:58 <Gez> MC: Example of creating a checkbox with li elements inside. Can't tell if the bug is asking for that pattern, or objecting to that pattern
15:15:04 <Gez> MC: Discard, as doesn't make sense
15:15:11 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13524
15:16:22 <Gez> MC: Related target should not be null for drag mouse out. 
15:16:48 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper.a
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15:18:04 <Gez> MC: Add this for tracking
15:19:09 <MichaelC_> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13534
15:19:44 <Gez> MC: About events model. Not sure if this is an accessibility issue
15:21:23 <Gez> MC: Will ask accessibility task force
15:21:28 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13544
15:21:49 <Gez> MC: Video: <track> element should allow support of more than one format without content sniffing
15:22:00 <Gez> MC: This is an accessibility issue
15:22:15 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13556
15:22:19 <Gez> MC: why does the 'placeholder label option' on a select have to be the first 'option' within the list of options? could it be the first option with value="" within the list of options instead?
15:23:43 <Gez> LW: Affects everyone the same - don't track
15:23:55 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13557
15:24:15 <Gez> MC: a select element should be 'suffering from being missing' if the selected option has value=""
15:24:30 <Gez> MC: Affects everyone, so no need to track
15:26:11 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper.a
15:26:21 <Zakim> +Cooper
15:26:33 <Gez> MC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13560
15:26:55 <Gez> MC: dynamic changes to input type attribute may cause problems for accessibilty APIs
15:27:57 <Gez> MC: When the role changes, AT doesn't always pick it up
15:28:12 <Gez> LW: Track this issue
15:28:38 <Gez> MC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13608
15:28:54 <Gez> MC: Add <menuitem> element
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15:29:16 <Gez> MC: Don't think this impacts accessibility
15:29:34 <Gez> LW: Agreed
15:30:37 <Gez> MC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13625
15:30:40 <MichaelC_> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13625
15:30:50 <Gez> MC: There is no way to pass audio and video content metadata to the user agent that is required in some cases for playback
15:30:59 <Gez> MC: Might not be a valid bug, but we should track
15:31:04 <Gez> LW: Agreed
15:31:20 <Gez> MC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13637
15:31:36 <Gez> MC: Cue rendering+behavior spec text should generic, not webvtt-derived
15:31:48 <Gez> MC: Definite track
15:32:02 <Gez> MC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13692
15:32:11 <Gez> MC: Last call comments on HTML5 from broadcaster's point of view
15:32:21 <Gez> MC: Relevant to media, but might get split
15:32:45 <Gez> LW: Agree to track
15:32:58 <Gez> MC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13693
15:33:19 <Gez> MC: I'm reasonably sure we will care about any CSS changes, particularly the ones on pseudo-selectors and WebVTT rendering
15:33:28 <Gez> MC: Track this, and splits if it splits
15:34:03 <Gez> MC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13726
15:34:08 <Gez> MC: defnitions of DL/DT/DD are too vague
15:34:46 <Gez> MC: Should not impact accessibility
15:34:51 <Gez> LW: Agreed
15:35:03 <Gez> MC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13769
15:35:12 <Gez> MC: Whitespace-only values should be considered empty in required form fields
15:35:37 <Gez> MC: Impacts everyone
15:36:57 <Gez> LW: Doesn't need tyracking
15:37:34 <Gez> The following bugs were not accessibility related: 13490, 13495, 13496, 13500, 13502, 13507, 13516, 13518, 13519, 13521, 13522, 13529, 13530, 13536, 13537, 13538, 13542, 13545, 13559, 13577, 13581, 13583, 13585, 13586, 13587, 13589, 13592, 13595, 13596, 13597, 13598, 13599, 13600, 13601, 13603, 13610, 13612, 13613, 13615, 13618, 13640, 13652, 13653, 13659, 13660, 13694, 13695, 13696, 13697,...
15:37:36 <Gez> ...13698, 13719, 13720, 13721, 13722, 13723, 13724, 13770, 13798
15:38:16 <MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC
15:38:34 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13174
15:40:13 <MichaelC> GL: request to add block element to TH
15:40:30 <MichaelC> mc: think <p> should be allowed but definition list seems weird
15:41:14 <MichaelC> gl: might break backward compatibility
15:41:52 <MichaelC> lw: add a11y keyword and bring up to task force this week with question about whether it's an a11y issue
15:42:14 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13203
15:43:04 <MichaelC> gz: request to add a feature to handle canceled drag
15:43:08 <MichaelC> don't have experience with that
15:43:17 <MichaelC> but looks like it will be accepted and affect drag & drop model
15:43:33 <MichaelC> need to make sure the new feature is properly exposed to AT
15:43:38 <MichaelC> lw: let's add a11ytf keyword
15:44:19 <MichaelC> gz: reviewed the following bugs that don't have a11y issues
15:44:31 <Gez> Shouldn't track bugs
15:44:33 <Gez> Bug: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13169
15:44:35 <Gez> Allow placeholder on date/time fields for legacy browsers
15:44:36 <Gez> This bug is marked as a duplicate of bug: 12868.
15:44:38 <Gez> Bug: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13173
15:44:39 <Gez> <input type="url"> should accept URLs with protocol omitted
15:44:41 <Gez> This bug is marked as resolved, won't fix. The bug is intended to
15:44:43 <Gez> improve usability so the user can type example.com instead of
15:44:44 <Gez> http://example.com. Rejected because type="url" already accepts URLs
15:44:46 <Gez> without requiring a protocol, and it's up to the user agent to support
15:44:47 <Gez> them.
15:44:49 <Gez> Bug: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13175
15:44:51 <Gez> Allow LEGEND to be LEGEND of FORM itself, without need for wrapping FIELDSET
15:44:52 <Gez> This bug is marked as resolved, won't fix. I'm not sure of the
15:44:54 <Gez> advantage of having legend outside of a fieldset, whereas having a
15:44:55 <Gez> fieldset sets a scope for the legend that can be programmatically
15:44:57 <Gez> determined for AT.
15:44:59 <Gez> Bug: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13179
15:45:00 <Gez> A possible alternative to the main track, e.g. a different take of a
15:45:02 <Gez> song (audio), or a different angle (video). Audio and video. Ogg:
15:45:04 <Gez> "audio/alterate" or "video/alternate". in this piece of content the
15:45:05 <Gez> audio/alterate I believe is a typo
15:45:07 <Gez> This is just reporting a typo that has been corrected, and the bug has
15:45:09 <Gez> been resolved fixed.
15:45:10 <Gez> Bug: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13182
15:45:12 <Gez> "an determinate" + missing closing parenthesis
15:45:14 <Gez> This is just reporting a grammar error that has been corrected, and
15:45:16 <Gez> the bug has been resolved fixed.
15:45:18 <Gez> Bug: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13183
15:45:20 <Gez> Descriptions of how to clamp boundaries is ambiguous
15:45:22 <Gez> This bug has been marked resolved fixed. The original text spec was ambiguous.
15:45:24 <Gez> Bug: 13185
15:45:26 <Gez> Nonsense bug
15:45:28 <Gez> Bugs: 13188, 13189, 13190, 13191, 13192, 13193, 13194
15:45:30 <Gez> Paragraph
15:45:32 <Gez> These bugs all have a title of "Paragraph", and no details
15:45:34 <Gez> Bugs: 13195, 13196, 13197
15:45:36 <Gez> Nonsense bugs
15:45:38 <Gez> Bug: 13199
15:45:40 <Gez> Nonsense bug
15:45:43 <Gez> Bug: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13201
15:45:44 <Gez> Flow content should be allowed in <dt>
15:45:46 <Gez> This bug is marked as new. Only inline content was valid in HTML 4.01.
15:45:48 <Gez> I don't think this is an accessibility issue.
15:45:50 <Gez> Bugs: 13210, 13212
15:45:52 <Gez> Nonsense bugs
15:45:54 <Gez> Bug: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13219
15:45:56 <Gez> HTML5 & math formulas = ? (HTML in scientifics history forget on math
15:45:58 <Gez> formulas html tags)
15:46:00 <Gez> The bug has been marked invalid. I don't understand what the bug means.
15:46:02 <Gez> Bug: 13221
15:46:04 <Gez> Nonsense bug
15:46:06 <Gez> Bug: 13223
15:46:08 <Gez> Nonsense bug
15:46:58 <Gez> zakim, next
15:46:58 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next', Gez
15:47:03 <Gez> zakim, next item
15:47:03 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Monitoring new bugs" taken up [from LeonieWatson]
15:47:37 <Gez> LW: Laura started this, and posting a weekly summary of issues that were worthy of attention
15:48:13 <MichaelC> scribe: Gez
15:48:28 <Gez> LW: Ask Everet if he would take this on
15:49:31 <Gez> rrsagent, make minutes
15:49:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/20-a11y-bugs-minutes.html Gez
15:49:37 <LeonieWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:49:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/20-a11y-bugs-minutes.html LeonieWatson
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15:56:11 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML_TF)11:00AM has ended
15:56:13 <Zakim> Attendees were Michael_Cooper, Léonie_Watson, Gez_Lemon, Cooper