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16:00:40 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
16:00:42 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7322733
16:00:42 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM scheduled to start now
16:00:43 <trackbot> Meeting: RDB2RDF Working Group Teleconference
16:00:43 <trackbot> Date: 20 September 2011
16:00:57 <Ashok> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:00:57 <Zakim> SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has not yet started, Ashok
16:00:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Marcelo, seema, boris, juansequeda, mhausenblas, Ashok, cygri, MacTed, LeeF, iv_an_ru__, trackbot, ericP
16:01:04 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Sep/0056.html
16:01:16 <mhausenblas> Chair: Michael
16:01:23 <mhausenblas> scribenick: mhausenblas
16:02:01 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:02:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/20-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:02:07 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public
16:02:20 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
16:02:20 <Zakim> SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has not yet started, mhausenblas
16:02:21 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Marcelo, seema, boris, juansequeda, mhausenblas, Ashok, cygri, MacTed, LeeF, iv_an_ru__, trackbot, ericP
16:02:23 <cygri_> cygri_ has joined #rdb2rdf
16:02:28 <mhausenblas> Zakim, this is SW_RDB2RDF
16:02:28 <Zakim> ok, mhausenblas; that matches SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM
16:02:33 <Zakim> + +1.562.686.aaaa
16:02:48 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aaaa is Marcelo 
16:02:49 <Zakim> +Marcelo; got it
16:02:55 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
16:02:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ashok_Malhotra, boris, mhausenblas, EricP, Marcelo
16:02:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see cygri_, RRSAgent, Zakim, Marcelo, seema, boris, juansequeda, mhausenblas, Ashok, cygri, MacTed, LeeF, iv_an_ru__, trackbot, ericP
16:03:04 <mhausenblas> present+ Ashok
16:03:08 <mhausenblas> present+ Boris
16:03:11 <mhausenblas> present+ Eric
16:03:15 <mhausenblas> present+ Marcelo
16:03:19 <mhausenblas> present+ Michael
16:03:24 <mhausenblas> present+ Richard
16:03:30 <mhausenblas> Zakim, cygri is with me
16:03:30 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
16:03:36 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Dave
16:04:08 <Zakim> +seema
16:04:16 <mhausenblas> present+ Seema
16:04:30 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:04:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/20-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:04:51 <Souri> Souri has joined #rdb2rdf
16:04:55 <Zakim> +Souri
16:05:02 <mhausenblas> present+ Souri
16:05:28 <mhausenblas> Topic: Admin
16:05:34 <Zakim> +juansequeda
16:05:50 <mhausenblas> present+ Juan
16:05:56 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2011/09/13-RDB2RDF-minutes.html
16:06:05 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
16:06:11 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
16:06:11 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
16:06:13 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
16:06:13 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
16:06:27 <mhausenblas> RESOLUTION: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2011/09/13-RDB2RDF-minutes.html
16:06:35 <mhausenblas> Topic: Open actions
16:06:40 <mhausenblas> ACTION-140?
16:06:41 <trackbot> ACTION-140 -- Boris Villazón-Terrazas to produce an RDF Schema representation of the R2RML vocabulary terms. -- due 2011-09-20 -- OPEN
16:06:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/140
16:06:52 <MacTed> Zakim, who's noisy?
16:07:02 <Zakim> MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: boris (40%), mhausenblas (5%), Marcelo (49%)
16:07:13 <mhausenblas> Zakim, mute Marcelo 
16:07:13 <Zakim> Marcelo should now be muted
16:07:34 <mhausenblas> Boris: I sent the stuff to Ivan
16:07:49 <mhausenblas> Michael: Ivan is on travel, so it might take a couple of days
16:08:30 <mhausenblas> close ACTION-140
16:08:31 <trackbot> ACTION-140 Produce an RDF Schema representation of the R2RML vocabulary terms. closed
16:08:48 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Boris to create RDFa representation of R2RML vocab
16:08:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-159 - Create RDFa representation of R2RML vocab [on Boris Villazón-Terrazas - due 2011-09-27].
16:08:52 <mhausenblas> ACTION-156?
16:08:52 <trackbot> ACTION-156 -- Boris Villazón-Terrazas to update term map diagram with rr:constant -- due 2011-09-20 -- OPEN
16:08:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/156
16:10:00 <mhausenblas> close ACTION-156
16:10:01 <trackbot> ACTION-156 Update term map diagram with rr:constant closed
16:10:09 <mhausenblas> Topic: Last Call handling
16:10:16 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Last_Call
16:11:01 <mhausenblas> Michael:  comments will come in via http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-comments/
16:12:27 <mhausenblas> Michael: the LC docs are now online via http://www.w3.org/TR/r2rml/
16:12:35 <nunolopes> nunolopes has joined #RDB2RDF
16:12:44 <mhausenblas> ... and http://www.w3.org/TR/rdb-direct-mapping/
16:12:48 <nunolopes> Zakim, nunolopes is with mhausenblas
16:12:48 <Zakim> +nunolopes; got it
16:13:27 <Ashok> Congratulations to the WG!
16:13:30 <ericP> q+ to describe the low-ball approach of just using the mailing list
16:13:38 <mhausenblas> ack ericP 
16:13:38 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to describe the low-ball approach of just using the mailing list
16:13:59 <Ashok> Thanks to the editors and others for all the hard work!
16:14:03 <juansequeda> q+ to ask shouldn't the document state "Last Call" instead of "Working Draft"? 
16:14:08 <mhausenblas> Eric: one way to do this is to track stuff in the mailing list
16:14:23 <mhausenblas> q?
16:14:41 <juansequeda> q-
16:15:21 <mhausenblas> Eric: some will do one issue per mail, other may not
16:16:21 <mhausenblas> Ashok: So, we don't have to create issues for the comments
16:16:44 <mhausenblas> Eric: no, esp. not for simple editorial stuff, rest has to be discussed
16:20:14 <mhausenblas> Michael: I'd like to provide appropriate, in-time responses
16:20:59 <mhausenblas> Eric: Agreed, within a couple of days is fine
16:21:15 <cygri> q+
16:22:00 <mhausenblas> Eric: I suggest that the one of the Editors of the respective document gets back to the person who provides feedback within three days
16:22:07 <mhausenblas> ack cygri 
16:22:39 <mhausenblas> Richard: I roughly agree with Eric
16:22:50 <mhausenblas> q?
16:23:14 <mhausenblas> ... for editorial issues, we try to fix is, for others Editors raise and issue
16:23:46 <mhausenblas> Ashok: Separate product
16:24:29 <mhausenblas> Richard: we can reuse R2RML and DM
16:26:04 <mhausenblas> Michael: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/r2rml/WD-r2rml-20110920/ and http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/directMapping/WD-rdb-direct-mapping-20110920/
16:26:37 <ericP> lots of comments will be from folks who either have not noticed answer in the spec (at least in the view of the editors).
16:26:44 <ericP> in these cases, the solution is often answering the comment by quoting from the spec.
16:26:47 <ericP> these sometimes result in editorial clarifications in the document.
16:27:41 <Ashok> Yes, there will be many minor comments based on misunderstandings 
16:30:58 <cygri> Souri: cvs up -d
16:33:09 <mhausenblas> Richard: I had a look at the changes
16:33:25 <mhausenblas> ... thanks for making improvements
16:33:38 <mhausenblas> ... I noted some troublesome things
16:34:05 <mhausenblas> ... how to handle it?
16:35:29 <ericP> juansequeda, Marcelo, the xmlspec xslt would have to be tweaked a lot to produce valid HTML.
16:35:32 <Zakim> -juansequeda
16:35:37 <ericP> i think the xmlspec-ness has been useful, but for minor changes, i think we're fine just working with an HTML version copied from the pub'd doc.
16:35:45 <ericP> y'all down with that?
16:35:56 <Zakim> +juansequeda
16:36:23 <mhausenblas> Richard: seems multiple predicate map have gone
16:37:28 <mhausenblas> q?
16:38:23 <mhausenblas> Michael: I guess it boils down to the question: should WG members write LC comments via http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-comments/ or not?
16:39:34 <mhausenblas> Eric: not a clear process here
16:41:55 <Souri> The second WD seems to have it as a single PredicateMap, single ObjectMap per PredicateObjectMap: http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-r2rml-20110324/#TriplesMapClass_predicateObjectMap_Property
16:41:55 <mhausenblas> Ashok: People from the WG should also use the official route via public-rdb2rdf-comments
16:42:29 <ericP> well, that reflects a natural tention between perfection and immediacy
16:45:45 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: For all LC comments that come on via via public-rdb2rdf-comments@w3 till 1 Nov, one of the doc Editor reacts within (ideally) three days, creating issues in the tracker for non-editorial issues. The same procedure applies for WG memberss.
16:46:18 <ericP> sparql, first and foremost
16:46:21 <Souri> s/memberss/members/
16:47:50 <Souri> In DAWG, if I remember correctly, comments from WG members did not go into the publick comments list
16:48:02 <Souri> s/publick/public/
16:48:54 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Last_Call#Transition_Notice_to_W3C
16:49:26 <cygri> +1
16:49:29 <boris> +1
16:49:47 <mhausenblas> RESOLUTION: For all LC comments that come on via via public-rdb2rdf-comments@w3 till 1 Nov, one of the doc Editor reacts within (ideally) three days, creating issues in the tracker for non-editorial issues. The same procedure applies for WG members
16:50:51 <cygri> q+ to ask about slides
16:51:01 <mhausenblas> Michael: let's do outreach
16:51:07 <mhausenblas> ack cygri 
16:51:07 <Zakim> cygri, you wanted to ask about slides
16:51:26 <Ashok> Good suggestion re. slide set
16:51:55 <mhausenblas> Richard: are there slide set?
16:51:58 <mhausenblas> Michael: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Main_Page#Presentations.2C_Outreach_and_Tutorials
16:52:49 <mhausenblas> Michael: Good point, let's collect slide sets a the above Wiki location
16:52:52 <mhausenblas> q?
16:53:29 <ericP> there are some relevent slides starting around http://www.w3.org/2011/Talks/0628-kcap-egp/#(5)
16:53:29 <mhausenblas> Michael: next week myself and Richard will be on travel, regrets in advance
16:53:50 <mhausenblas> Ashok: I can chair, next week, yes
16:54:26 <mhausenblas> Michael: I think we should focus implementations and TC
16:54:36 <mhausenblas> ... see http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Implementations
16:54:57 <mhausenblas> Michael: I'll prepare the agenda in advance
16:55:12 <Marcelo> Zakim, unmute Marcelo
16:55:13 <Zakim> Marcelo should no longer be muted
16:55:14 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
16:55:17 <Zakim> -Souri
16:55:19 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
16:55:21 <Zakim> -seema
16:55:22 <Zakim> -boris
16:55:28 <mhausenblas> [meeting adjourned]
16:55:33 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:55:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/20-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
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16:57:51 <mhausenblas> trackbot, end telecon
16:57:52 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:57:52 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Ashok_Malhotra, boris, mhausenblas, EricP, +1.562.686.aaaa, Marcelo, cygri, seema, Souri, juansequeda, MacTed, nunolopes
16:57:52 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:57:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/20-RDB2RDF-minutes.html trackbot
16:57:54 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:57:54 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/20-RDB2RDF-actions.rdf :
16:57:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Boris to create RDFa representation of R2RML vocab [1]
16:57:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/20-RDB2RDF-irc#T16-08-48