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15:05:35 <Clarke> zakim, this will be webtv
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15:06:12 <Clarke> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/Agenda_Telco_15th_September_2011
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15:07:56 <Clarke> Scribe: Clarke
15:08:29 <Clarke> Juhani, if you want to take over scribe (or just assist) that would be great.
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15:08:37 <Clarke> zakim, who is making noise
15:08:37 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is making noise', Clarke
15:08:56 <Russell_Berkoff> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Delivery_in_distribution_windows
15:09:49 <Clarke> zakim, who is talking?
15:09:49 <Zakim> sorry, Clarke, I don't know what conference this is
15:10:18 <Clarke> zakim, this will be webtv
15:10:19 <Zakim> ok, Clarke, I see UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM already started
15:10:43 <Clarke> chair: Clarke
15:11:00 <Clarke> zakim, who is talking
15:11:00 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is talking', Clarke
15:12:06 <Clarke> Meeting: Media Pipeline Task Force Teleconference
15:13:15 <Clarke> Bob: I don't think we should form requirements around a CE-2014 model
15:13:31 <Clarke> ...HTML5 is quite different
15:13:56 <Clarke> ...Make it more generic to user agents
15:15:14 <Clarke> Topic is Issue-40
15:15:25 <Clarke> Topic: Issue-40
15:16:01 <Clarke> Russell: Going through updated items in use case
15:16:17 <Clarke> Bob: I agree with #2, I'm just trying to generalize it
15:17:12 <Clarke> Russell: #5 needs to be able to decrypt media
15:17:32 <Clarke> ...This is really just the requirements from CEA-2014, not the implementation
15:18:05 <Clarke> Bob: Should we work #5 differently - DRM agent needs to work with a player
15:18:20 <Clarke> ...I will write up some specific language and send to the reflector
15:18:59 <Clarke> Action: Bob to update text on issue-40
15:18:59 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Bob
15:18:59 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. bbrummer, blund3)
15:19:54 <Clarke> Bob: combining issues 18 and 39.
15:20:56 <Clarke> ...differences in approach- list of items from cable industry and DLNA Bob-what does user agent need to do. Jan- more generic perspective in MPEG2 transport stream
15:21:38 <Clarke> ...There is overlap. Jan's approach looks at it in a non-TV-specific manner
15:22:23 <Clarke> ...Still work in progress
15:22:54 <Clarke> Bob: New use case: issue-51 is merged version of issues 40 and 41
15:23:18 <Clarke> issue-51: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Delivery_to_ip
15:23:18 <trackbot> ISSUE-51  notes added
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15:25:39 <Clarke> Bob: Issue-51 discusses range of devices from very open to very closed
15:25:58 <Zakim> + +358.405.81aadd
15:26:37 <Clarke> ...software, general purpose, field upgradeability, hardware support for content protection
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15:27:58 <Juhani> +1
15:29:19 <Clarke> Clarke: correction- issue 51 replaces issues 42 and 43, not 40 and 41
15:29:39 <Clarke> Bob: will update both general requirements also
15:30:00 <Clarke> ...Then will discuss what needs to be standardized
15:31:12 <Clarke> Bob: DECE update
15:31:41 <Clarke> Bob: Had discussion with Jim Taylor
15:32:05 <Clarke> ...has DECE thought much about HTML implementation?
15:32:22 <Clarke> ...supports streaming through LASPT
15:32:47 <Clarke> ...identifies DECE approved streaming and content mechanisms for DECE content
15:33:16 <Clarke> ...are not in general based on DECE CFF or common encryption mechanisms
15:33:39 <Clarke> ...starting to discuss streaming format of DASH to address this problem
15:34:31 <Clarke> ...Jim thought if HTML5 is just starting this, then DECE would want to support new format rather than existing LASPT formats
15:35:14 <Clarke> ...New native streaming format is preferable and likely to be available everywhere
15:35:39 <Clarke> Do they want to participate directly?
15:36:14 <Clarke> Bob: yes
15:36:58 <Clarke> DECE link: http://www.uvvu.com/contact-us.php
15:37:27 <Clarke> Bob: you can get DECE documents from that link
15:37:37 <Clarke> ...Look at system specification
15:37:47 <Clarke> ...also has client requirements
15:37:58 <Clarke> ...Common File Format (CFF) spec
15:38:09 <Clarke> ...LASPT licensee requirements
15:38:26 <Clarke> ...Those 3 documents are most important
15:38:46 <Clarke> ...Jim is going to see about getting a formal liaison with W3C and DECE
15:39:03 <Clarke> ...Jim would want to participate in this group
15:39:19 <Clarke> ...DECE looking at becoming W3C member
15:40:01 <Clarke> Bob: my suggestion is to invite Jim to participate as invited expert for now
15:40:05 <Clarke> I agree
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15:41:20 <Zakim> +??P12
15:41:42 <Clarke> issue 45: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Continuous_Streaming_2
15:42:24 <Clarke> issue 46: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Time_Synchronization
15:43:16 <Clarke> issue 46: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Program_Boundary
15:43:28 <Clarke> Initial 46 was 45 and initial 45 was 44
15:53:55 <Clarke> action: Clarke to work with bob on general language for issue 44 continuous update of "infinite" playlist
15:53:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-78 - Work with bob on general language for issue 44 continuous update of "infinite" playlist [on Clarke Stevens - due 2011-09-22].
15:54:30 <Clarke> Should this be tied to manifest file?
15:55:16 <Clarke> Duncan: make a reference to DASH/manifest file example
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15:56:08 <Clarke> Suggestion to adopt use case pending accurate updates
15:56:13 <Clarke> No objections noted
15:58:42 <Clarke> Duncan: Maybe add examples to issue-45
15:59:37 <Clarke> Bob: point out that HTML5 base for timed text tracks needs to work consistently for indefinite length streams
16:03:25 <Clarke> Russell: needs to be consistent with external clock?
16:03:45 <Clarke> Bob: just needs to be maintained for video tag
16:04:04 <Clarke> ...it's clear for file-based content
16:04:13 <Clarke> ...less clear for infinite streams
16:04:27 <Clarke> ...need to make sure that's clear.
16:04:33 <Zakim> -??P55
16:04:48 <Zakim> -??P25
16:04:49 <Zakim> -??P12
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16:04:54 <Zakim> -Alex_Chen
16:05:01 <Clarke> zakim, bye
16:05:01 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Alex_Chen, +1.404.242.aaaa, +358.405.81aabb, +358.405.81aacc, +358.405.81aadd
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16:05:16 <Clarke> rrsagent, make log public
16:05:26 <Clarke> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:05:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/15-webtv-minutes.html Clarke
16:06:05 <Clarke> rrsagent, bye
16:06:05 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/15-webtv-actions.rdf :
16:06:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Bob to update text on issue-40 [1]
16:06:05 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/15-webtv-irc#T15-18-59
16:06:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Clarke to work with bob on general language for issue 44 continuous update of "infinite" playlist [2]
16:06:05 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/15-webtv-irc#T15-53-55