19:57:20 RRSAgent has joined #wai-wcag 19:57:20 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/09/15-wai-wcag-irc 19:57:22 RRSAgent, make logs public 19:57:22 Zakim has joined #wai-wcag 19:57:24 Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG 19:57:24 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes 19:57:25 Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference 19:57:25 Date: 15 September 2011 19:57:55 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2011JulSep/0159.html 19:57:59 regrets: Tim_Boland 19:58:06 chair: Loretta_Guarino_Reid 19:59:11 WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has now started 19:59:18 +Michael_Cooper 19:59:56 Mary has joined #wai-wcag 20:00:32 +Mary_Utt 20:01:22 +Katie_Haritos-Shea 20:01:33 +??P5 20:01:58 zakim, ??P5 is Jon_Gunderson 20:01:58 +Jon_Gunderson; got it 20:02:03 +Kathy_Wahlbin 20:02:33 +David_MacDonald 20:02:42 +Loretta_Guarino_Reid 20:02:57 + +1.502.580.aaaa 20:03:00 kathy has joined #wai-wcag 20:03:22 zakim, aaaa is Elle_Waters 20:03:22 +Elle_Waters; got it 20:04:08 Loretta has joined #wai-wcag 20:04:13 jongund has joined #wai-wcag 20:04:46 David has joined #wai-wcag 20:06:05 zakim, who's on the phone? 20:06:05 On the phone I see Michael_Cooper, Mary_Utt, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Jon_Gunderson, Kathy_Wahlbin, David_MacDonald, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Elle_Waters 20:06:08 +??P10 20:06:21 zakim, ??P10 is Gregg_Vanderheiden 20:06:21 +Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it 20:06:23 greggvanderheiden has joined #wai-wcag 20:06:34 zakim, mute me 20:06:34 Kathy_Wahlbin should now be muted 20:07:03 marcjohlic has joined #wai-wcag 20:07:12 +Marc_Johlic 20:08:16 scribe: marcjohlic 20:08:50 TOPIC: Issue LC-2490: Excessive use of clicking to navigate a website 20:09:17 zakim, unmute me 20:09:17 Kathy_Wahlbin should no longer be muted 20:10:29 RESOLUTION: Accepted as proposed 20:10:46 +Andrew_Kirkpatrick 20:11:11 TOPIC: Issue LC-2493: T3: Using standard text formatting conventions for headings 20:11:21 RESOLUTION: Accepted as proposed 20:11:43 TOPIC: Issue LC-2551: H91, Example 6: 'selected' attribute 20:11:53 RESOLUTION: Accepted as proposed 20:12:15 TOPIC: Issue LC-2555: H91, Example 3: value attribute 20:12:28 RESOLUTION: Accepted as proposed 20:12:53 TOPIC: Issue LC-2492: F60 may either apply also to SC 3.2.2 (On Input) or need further specification (context change announced/expected, window type) 20:13:06 http://tinyurl.com/5rel6s6 20:13:11 awk has joined #wai-wcag 20:13:18 http://tinyurl.com/5rel6s6 20:18:03 action: detlev to create failure technique for SC 3.2.2 to address coment LC-2492 20:18:04 Created ACTION-150 - Create failure technique for SC 3.2.2 to address coment LC-2492 [on Detlev Fischer - due 2011-09-22]. 20:18:17 action-150? 20:18:18 ACTION-150 -- Detlev Fischer to create failure technique for SC 3.2.2 to address coment LC-2492 -- due 2011-09-22 -- OPEN 20:18:18 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/150 20:21:48 RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended 20:22:26 TOPIC: Issue LC-2496: "should" vs "must" 20:25:47 maybe in the non-normative documents we could link to the definition of these terms and tell people that they MUST read them... 20:26:20 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2011/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20110621/G141.html 20:27:39 zakim, mute me 20:27:39 Kathy_Wahlbin should now be muted 20:28:00 100 musts in Techniques doc 20:43:19 1. Used to indicate obligation, duty, or correctness, typically when criticizing someone's actions: "he should have been careful". 20:43:21 2. Indicating a desirable or expected state: "by now students should be able to read". 20:56:06 We have added a discussion of the uses of "must" and "should" in techniques to the introduction to the Techniques document. We hope that this will clarify interpretations of the techniques. "Must" and "should" are not used in a normative way in WCAG itself, and since WCAG has 3 levels of conformance, the RFC 2119 definitions cannot be used in that context anyway. Please let us know whether this still leaves misinterpretations in our uses of these terms. 20:58:43 Since WCAG has 3 levels of conformance, "must" and "should" cannot be used as in the RFC 2119 definitions. 21:00:50 Since WCAG has 3 levels of conformance, although "must" and "should" cannot are used as in the RFC 2119 definitions, it is not an exact mapping. 21:01:10 Since WCAG has 3 levels of conformance, although "must" and "should" are used as in the RFC 2119 definitions, it is not an exact mapping. 21:02:16 We use "must" and "should" in ways that are similar to RFC 2119, although since WCAG has 3 levels of conformance, we cannot reference those definitions directly. 21:03:40 We have added a discussion of the uses of "must" and "should" in techniques to the introduction to the Techniques document. We hope that this will clarify interpretations of the techniques. We use "must" and "should" in ways that are similar to RFC 2119, although since WCAG has 3 levels of conformance, we cannot reference those definitions directly. Please let us know whether this still leaves misinterpretations in our uses of these terms. 21:07:54 We are not using RFC 2119 in our standard because it cannot be applied in a standard like our with 3 levels of conformance. 21:08:19 s/our/ours 21:09:14 RESOLUTION: Accepted as modified 21:09:39 TOPIC: Issue LC-2537: Reflow and Order panel can not guarantee the reading order 21:22:35 Note: Reordering content with the reading order is most appropriate for simple text content within a PDF since modifications made with the order panel can affect not only the reading order but the underlying structure of content contained within the PDF. This may impact the z-order for content on a page, including making some content become hidden behind other content. Authors should save their work before using the order panel and verify that the changes do 21:24:37 http://help.adobe.com/en_US/acrobat/pro/using/WS58a04a822e3e50102bd615109794195ff-7ce6.w.html 21:26:18 Authors are encouraged to refer to the PDF technology notes (http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=PDF_Technology_Notes) for links to other resources for authoring and editing PDF documents for accessibility. 21:29:28 RESOLUTION: Leaving open - assigned to Mary 21:30:47 TOPIC: Issue LC-2546: Embedded Flash content 21:32:11 RESOLUTION: Accepted as modified (Michael's addition and Gregg's note) 21:32:20 -Jon_Gunderson 21:32:31 -Andrew_Kirkpatrick 21:32:33 -Elle_Waters 21:32:34 -Loretta_Guarino_Reid 21:32:36 -Michael_Cooper 21:32:37 -Marc_Johlic 21:32:38 -Katie_Haritos-Shea 21:32:39 -Gregg_Vanderheiden 21:32:39 -David_MacDonald 21:32:40 -Kathy_Wahlbin 21:33:14 zakim, who's on the phone? 21:33:14 On the phone I see Mary_Utt 21:33:18 zakim, drop mary 21:33:18 Mary_Utt is being disconnected 21:33:19 WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended 21:33:21 Attendees were Michael_Cooper, Mary_Utt, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Jon_Gunderson, Kathy_Wahlbin, David_MacDonald, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, +1.502.580.aaaa, Elle_Waters, Gregg_Vanderheiden, 21:33:24 ... Marc_Johlic, Andrew_Kirkpatrick 21:33:26 rrsagent, make minutes 21:33:26 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/15-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC 21:35:05 rrsagent, bye 21:35:05 I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/15-wai-wcag-actions.rdf : 21:35:05 ACTION: detlev to create failure technique for SC 3.2.2 to address coment LC-2492 [1] 21:35:05 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/15-wai-wcag-irc#T20-18-03 21:35:10 zakim, bye 21:35:10 Zakim has left #wai-wcag