13:54:10 RRSAgent has joined #gld 13:54:10 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/09/15-gld-irc 13:54:30 Zakim has joined #gld 13:54:43 gt has joined #gld 13:56:19 rreck has joined #GLD 13:57:46 BernardVatant has joined #gld 13:58:15 TinaGheen has joined #gld 13:58:41 Hi all.. 13:59:09 cgueret has joined #gld 13:59:24 @gt: if Prof. Asun is not around, I'll scribe. thanks.. 13:59:34 hi there! 13:59:43 olyerickson has joined #gld 14:00:05 Mike has joined #gld 14:00:07 invite Zakim 14:00:21 bhyland has joined #gld 14:00:43 luisBermudez has joined #gld 14:00:43 ouch 14:00:44 zakim, who is here? 14:00:45 Yigal has joined #gld 14:00:45 sorry, gatemezi, I don't know what conference this is 14:00:46 On IRC I see luisBermudez, bhyland, Mike, olyerickson, cgueret, TinaGheen, BernardVatant, rreck, gt, Zakim, RRSAgent, gatemezi, MacTed, danbri, trackbot, sandro 14:01:02 trackbot, start conference 14:01:04 RRSAgent, make logs world 14:01:06 Zakim, this will be EGOV_GLD 14:01:07 Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference 14:01:07 Date: 15 September 2011 14:01:11 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot 14:01:30 BartvanLeeuwen has joined #gld 14:01:42 Zakim, this is gld 14:01:51 ok, MacTed; that matches T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM 14:02:07 zakim, who is here? 14:02:15 +??P33 14:02:19 On the phone I see George_Thomas, +1.202.566.aaaa, +1.757.604.aabb, +1.703.292.aacc, +33.9.71.48.aadd, +1.571.331.aaee, ??P26, ??P30, +1.267.481.aaff, ??P33 14:02:24 seems like zakim could look at the channel he is in 14:02:36 On IRC I see BartvanLeeuwen, Yigal, luisBermudez, bhyland, Mike, olyerickson, cgueret, TinaGheen, BernardVatant, rreck, gt, Zakim, RRSAgent, gatemezi, MacTed, danbri, trackbot, 14:02:36 Zakim, aacc is me 14:02:37 What's the SIP coe for tis? 14:02:42 Zakim, code? 14:02:43 ... sandro 14:02:44 SIP code I mean 14:02:44 rrsagent, make log public 14:02:45 rreck, pointer? 14:02:49 +??P34 14:02:51 RRSAgent, pointer? 14:02:51 See http://www.w3.org/2011/09/15-gld-irc#T14-02-51 14:02:51 +TinaGheen; got it 14:02:53 +Sandro 14:02:59 the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), MacTed 14:03:04 zakim, ??p33 is me 14:03:16 DruidSmith has joined #gld 14:03:16 Zakim, ??p34 is me 14:03:18 gsteeman has joined #gld 14:03:19 +Yigal; got it 14:03:19 RRSAgent, make logs public 14:03:33 +BartvanLeeuwen; got it 14:03:35 Scribe: gatemezi 14:03:42 Chair: gt 14:03:54 +??P42 14:03:58 Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.09.15 14:04:04 zakim, ??P42 is me 14:04:10 +olyerickson; got it 14:04:20 + +1.202.566.aagg 14:04:35 zakim, aagg is me 14:04:38 +DruidSmith; got it 14:04:48 boris has joined #gld 14:04:57 zakim, aaee is me 14:04:57 +bhyland; got it 14:05:02 + +1.218.296.aahh 14:05:09 Zakim, who is here? 14:05:09 On the phone I see George_Thomas, +1.202.566.aaaa, +1.757.604.aabb, TinaGheen, +33.9.71.48.aadd, bhyland, ??P26, ??P30, +1.267.481.aaff, Yigal, BartvanLeeuwen, Sandro, olyerickson, 14:05:12 ... DruidSmith, +1.218.296.aahh 14:05:13 On IRC I see boris, gsteeman, DruidSmith, BartvanLeeuwen, Yigal, luisBermudez, bhyland, Mike, olyerickson, cgueret, TinaGheen, BernardVatant, rreck, gt, Zakim, RRSAgent, gatemezi, 14:05:16 ... MacTed, danbri, trackbot, sandro 14:05:44 zakim, code? 14:05:44 the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), boris 14:05:46 Proposed: Accept Minutes from 9/8 14:05:47 zakim, +1.218.296.aahh is me 14:05:47 +rreck; got it 14:06:26 zakim, +33.9.71.48.aadd is me 14:06:26 +BernardVatant; got it 14:06:28 gatemezi? you on call? 14:06:33 +1 minutes 14:06:49 no.. @Sandro 14:06:54 +1 to accept minutes 14:06:55 +1 minutes 14:06:59 +1 minutes 14:07:00 +1 14:07:03 + +49.133.6.aaii 14:07:04 +1 on minutes 14:07:16 +1 minutes 14:07:22 +1 14:07:22 +1 14:07:38 zakim, aaii is me 14:07:38 +boris; got it 14:07:45 resolved: accept minutes 18-9-2011 14:08:15 Topic: Action Review 14:08:31 was rrsagent invites? 14:08:39 yes @rreck 14:08:41 john has joined #gld 14:08:49 q? 14:09:05 +Cory 14:09:14 Zakim, who is speaking? 14:09:25 gatemezi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bhyland (78%) 14:09:42 olyerickson was speaking before bhyland 14:10:31 Welcome John Goodwin! 14:10:36 py has joined #gld 14:10:38 Topic: John Goodwin on Ordnance Survey 14:10:45 Cory-c has joined #gld 14:10:54 py has left #gld 14:10:57 http://data.ordnancesurvey.co.uk 14:10:57 Go to: http://data.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/.html 14:10:58 Topic: John Goodwin UK Ordnance Survey use of Geo Vocabs 14:11:12 PY_Vandenbussche has joined #gld 14:12:05 Ordnance Survey has a product Boundary Line that John Goodwin converted into Linked Data 14:12:18 http://data.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/doc/7000000000017711 14:12:19 http://data.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/doc/7000000000017711 14:12:55 zakim, mute me 14:12:56 rreck should now be muted 14:13:37 http://data.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/ontology/spatialrelations/touches 14:13:47 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DE-9IM 14:14:06 http://data.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/ontology/spatialrelations/contains 14:14:15 http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/ontology/spatialrelations.owl 14:14:39 shoutout to Luis! 14:14:57 Superceded by Open Spatial Consortium, led by Oracle, to provide a standardized way to provide topological relations. 14:15:20 The ontology constructured by the OSC looks largely like what John envisioned. 14:16:08 @John: Is he involve in the NeoGeo Vocab (http://geovocab.org/doc/neogeo.html)? 14:16:48 sorry: http://geovocab.org/doc/neogeo.html 14:17:06 W3C has done work in encoding detailed geometries. More advanced work done currently. 14:17:15 http://data.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/doc/geometry/64470.rdf 14:17:20 @gatemezi are you back & scribing again? 14:17:57 http://data.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/doc/7000000000017711.rdf 14:18:09 @bhyland: I was the alternate scribe for today... 14:18:23 http://data.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/ontology/geometry/asGML 14:18:24 + +1.440.389.aajj 14:18:37 @gatemezi but you are listed as the scribe … we thought we lost you and I jumped in to help. But if you're back, I'll turn over to you. 14:19:06 I was always here :-) 14:19:11 ok 14:19:23 hadleybeeman has joined #gld 14:19:35 Zakim, who is here? 14:19:35 On the phone I see George_Thomas, +1.202.566.aaaa, +1.757.604.aabb, TinaGheen, BernardVatant, bhyland, ??P26, ??P30, +1.267.481.aaff, Yigal, BartvanLeeuwen, Sandro, olyerickson, 14:19:38 ... DruidSmith, rreck (muted), boris, Cory, +1.440.389.aajj 14:19:41 On IRC I see hadleybeeman, PY_Vandenbussche, Cory-c, john, boris, gsteeman, DruidSmith, BartvanLeeuwen, Yigal, luisBermudez, bhyland, Mike, olyerickson, cgueret, TinaGheen, 14:19:44 ... BernardVatant, rreck, gt, Zakim, RRSAgent, gatemezi, MacTed, danbri, trackbot, sandro 14:19:52 zakim, +1.440.389.aajj is me 14:19:52 +hadleybeeman; got it 14:20:19 JohnSheridan: Hoping the GeoSPARQL will be become the standard. 14:20:34 q+ 14:20:39 John- I'm sorry I'm coming in late, but can we have an offline conversation about adoption in UK gov? 14:21:06 q+ 14:21:44 q+ 14:23:20 zakim, unmute me 14:23:20 rreck should no longer be muted 14:23:32 Zakim, who is speaking? 14:23:35 q? 14:23:42 gatemezi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P26 (64%) 14:23:45 ack: bhyland 14:23:45 John Sheridan: Project lifecycle for the OS project - started circa 2003, initially studied the standards, looked in OWL. Circa 2008, created the first prototype product. 14:23:49 q? 14:24:44 John Sheridan: The product was not Open Data & free, it was a for-revenue product sold. It was all done by John in-house at the time. Used ARC GIS, Oracle Spatial. Run scripts on GIS DB to understand boundaries. 14:25:07 ack bhyland 14:25:23 zakim, what is on the agenda? 14:25:23 I see nothing on the agenda 14:25:56 John Sheridan: UK Administrative geography is very complicated. But with some simple SQL queries, he explored the data. Used Python to parse query results to generate nTriples. That summarized the "production process." It was research quality code … queries + scripts. 14:26:16 @ bernadette - you mean John Goodwin 14:27:01 John Sheridan: In 2010, Ordnance Survey legislatively required to make this info available for free as Open Gov't data. 14:27:08 doh! sorry! 14:27:11 s/John Sheridan/John Goodwin 14:27:24 Very sorry John! 14:28:03 q? 14:28:12 ack rreck 14:28:15 @gt don't really understand the question 14:28:22 was there a deliberate choice to use within/contains instead of skos:NT and skos:BT? 14:28:26 John Goodwin: Talis hosting Linked Data and did conversion work. 14:28:58 q+ 14:29:36 @gt - I'll try :) 14:29:46 John Goodwin: Spatial info well suited for semantic expressiveness. Ripe for inference. 14:29:56 I understand your answer, thanks. 14:30:15 ack luisbermudez 14:30:21 Zakim, who is speaking? 14:30:32 gatemezi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: BernardVatant (10%) 14:30:54 http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/requests/80 14:30:56 zakim, mute me 14:30:56 BernardVatant should now be muted 14:31:02 -hadleybeeman 14:31:12 LuisBermudez: Question about GeoSPARQL, public comments cycle closed end of July 2011. Next meeting in Boulder CO, draft will be voted 14:31:24 John Goodwin: the semantics of within/contains are better suited to the GIS needs and have a more precise semantics than SKOS BT/NT 14:32:00 zakim, mute me 14:32:00 rreck should now be muted 14:32:15 +hadleybeeman 14:32:22 q? 14:32:41 John Goodwin: Discussion he raised re: geometries be stored in graph as polygon statement or as literal triple … 14:33:41 John Goodwin: UK Location Programme, http://location.defra.gov.uk 14:33:58 "UK Location is a UK pan-government initiative to improve the sharing and re-use of public sector location information.  Established following the publication of the http://location.defra.gov.uk/programme/uk-location-strategy/, it incorporates the implementation of the strategy and the http://eur-lex.europa.eu/JOHtml.do?uri=OJ:L:2007:108:SOM:EN:HTML Directive. " 14:35:25 zakim, no problem 14:35:25 I don't understand 'no problem', BernardVatant 14:35:34 annew has joined #gld 14:35:48 zakim, unmute me 14:35:48 BernardVatant should no longer be muted 14:35:51 Zakim, who's here? 14:35:51 On the phone I see George_Thomas, +1.202.566.aaaa, +1.757.604.aabb, TinaGheen, BernardVatant, bhyland, ??P26, ??P30, +1.267.481.aaff, Yigal, BartvanLeeuwen, Sandro, olyerickson, 14:35:55 ... DruidSmith, rreck (muted), boris, Cory, hadleybeeman 14:35:57 On IRC I see annew, hadleybeeman, PY_Vandenbussche, Cory-c, john, boris, gsteeman, DruidSmith, BartvanLeeuwen, Yigal, luisBermudez, bhyland, Mike, olyerickson, cgueret, TinaGheen, 14:35:59 ... BernardVatant, rreck, gt, Zakim, RRSAgent, gatemezi, MacTed, danbri, trackbot, sandro 14:36:18 ack boris 14:36:42 topic: Bernard Vatant - LOV 14:36:56 cgueret yes? 14:37:05 Zakim, who is speaking? 14:37:08 http://datalift.org/ 14:37:11 gt ? 14:37:15 gatemezi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: BernardVatant (95%) 14:37:32 hadley - happy to catch up offline 14:37:48 nope 14:38:02 john - good plan. :) 14:38:21 http://labs.mondeca.com/dataset/lov/ 14:38:38 Topic: Linked Open Vocabularies (LOV), see http://labs.mondeca.com/dataset/lov/index.html 14:40:12 spatial rels: http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/ontology/spatialrelations.owl 14:40:49 "The http://labs.mondeca.com/dataset/lov/lov.rdf contains the description of RDFS vocabularies or OWL ontologies defined for and used by datasets in the http://linkeddata.org/. Whenever available each vocabulary includes references to the datasets using it, in particular those listed in http://ckan.net/group/lodcloud. The descriptions use in particular the http://labs.mondeca.com/vocab/voaf to state different ways such vocabularies can rely on, extend, specify 14:42:18 wip - vocab usage stats 14:42:30 Bernard: Ongoing work to extend the dataset with usage 14:43:19 q? 14:43:25 q+ 14:44:26 how do you maintain the vocabs URIs and version? 14:44:56 q? 14:45:01 ack bhyland 14:45:08 @BernardVatant: would be nice to have your site at lov-cloud.net, to go in // with lod-cloud.net ;-) 14:45:18 + +1.703.993.aakk 14:45:56 Bernard: The core of the LOV dataset was produced from background knowledge of the domain. Extended via a "follow your nose" investigation. 14:46:21 Bernard: Systematic investigation of dataset on CKAN. 14:46:30 People should note that the LOV graphic is browseable... 14:46:52 Good feedback from the community … how about adding a given dataset to LOV. Mailing lists & twitter also a source of updates. 14:48:14 a fishbot heard around the world... 14:48:22 zakim, +1.703.993.aakk is annew 14:48:22 +annew; got it 14:48:26 Bernard: Thus, combo of human survey + automatic survey, more automation will be added over time. Target audience of this resource are vocab consumers & curators. 14:49:05 apologies on the fishbot - new to irc! 14:49:40 @Bernard: what about media or sport vocabs? 14:49:42 inria 14:50:02 q+ 14:50:33 Zakim, who is here? 14:50:33 On the phone I see George_Thomas, +1.202.566.aaaa, +1.757.604.aabb, TinaGheen, BernardVatant, bhyland, ??P26, ??P30, +1.267.481.aaff, Yigal, BartvanLeeuwen, Sandro, olyerickson, 14:50:37 ... DruidSmith, rreck (muted), boris, Cory, hadleybeeman, annew 14:50:39 On IRC I see annew, hadleybeeman, PY_Vandenbussche, Cory-c, john, boris, gsteeman, DruidSmith, BartvanLeeuwen, Yigal, luisBermudez, bhyland, Mike, olyerickson, cgueret, TinaGheen, 14:50:41 ... BernardVatant, rreck, gt, Zakim, RRSAgent, gatemezi, MacTed, danbri, trackbot, sandro 14:50:48 ack boris 14:51:57 Bernard: It is a research project financed by INRIA. 14:52:08 "The National Institute for Research in Computer Science and Control (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language: Institut national de recherche en informatique et en automatique, INRIA) is a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France national research institution focusing on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_science, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_theory and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applied_mathematics." 14:52:42 Have to drop off now 14:53:05 gsteeman has left #gld 14:53:13 bhyland: I think it's financed by the ANR 14:53:14 GT: Question - are you aware of any gov't catalog sites? 14:53:29 - +1.757.604.aabb 14:53:31 http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agence_nationale_de_la_recherche 14:53:55 ANR = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agence_Nationale_de_la_Recherche 14:54:06 @bhyland sorry 14:54:22 s/INRIA/ANR 14:54:23 q+ 14:55:10 Zakim, who's speaking? 14:55:16 q? 14:55:16 yes 14:55:21 gatemezi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: George_Thomas (50%), bhyland (11%), olyerickson (57%) 14:55:33 GT: Wondering what gov'ts should be doing, to get a vocabulary listing of vocabularies used for Gov't Linked Data ... 14:55:33 ack olyerickson 14:56:11 similar to how LOV created a description of RDFS vocabs and OWL ontologies used on the LOD cloud. 14:56:59 olyercikson: LOV is a good metaphor for how gov'ts could see how vocabularies are used & can be augmented. 14:57:01 Having difficulty hearing the speaker 14:57:02 the conference call audio seems to be breaking up for me 14:57:14 q? 14:57:23 -Cory 14:58:34 q 14:58:38 q+ 14:58:45 q+ 14:59:09 My friend is an Illinois government CIO charged with the open data initiative. Can anyone tell me how that intersects GLD? 14:59:26 q? 14:59:33 I would generally ask that people consider increased engagement in the deliverables. We've been underway for 3+ mos and we have some draft deliverables due in December so we need to increased involvement. 14:59:39 ack boris 14:59:52 boris to scribe next gld telecon - thanks boris! 14:59:58 q- 15:00:05 zakim, mute me 15:00:05 BernardVatant should now be muted 15:00:07 Zakim, who is here? 15:00:07 On the phone I see George_Thomas, +1.202.566.aaaa, TinaGheen, BernardVatant (muted), bhyland, ??P26, ??P30, +1.267.481.aaff, Yigal, BartvanLeeuwen, Sandro, olyerickson, DruidSmith, 15:00:10 ... rreck (muted), boris, hadleybeeman, annew 15:00:12 On IRC I see annew, hadleybeeman, PY_Vandenbussche, Cory-c, john, boris, DruidSmith, BartvanLeeuwen, Yigal, luisBermudez, bhyland, Mike, olyerickson, cgueret, TinaGheen, 15:00:12 boris suggests agenda item - multi-lingual expert 15:00:12 @Boris - please email gldchairs so we can schedule accordingly. 15:00:16 ... BernardVatant, rreck, gt, Zakim, RRSAgent, gatemezi, MacTed, danbri, trackbot, sandro 15:00:26 advanced apologies for next week. Will be in Luxembourg/EU 15:00:28 q/ 15:00:30 q? 15:00:46 thanks again John *Goodwin* and Bernard, very informative. 15:00:49 Have a GREAT one!@ 15:00:49 -Sandro 15:00:49 thanks all for your attention 15:00:50 rrsagent, make log public 15:00:51 bye 15:00:51 - +1.202.566.aaaa 15:00:52 thanks 15:00:52 bye 15:00:54 -annew 15:00:57 Yigal has left #gld 15:00:58 olyerickson has left #gld 15:00:58 bye 15:01:01 byebye 15:01:01 - +1.267.481.aaff 15:01:03 -bhyland 15:01:05 -BartvanLeeuwen 15:01:08 -??P26 15:01:11 john has left #gld 15:01:17 -TinaGheen 15:01:19 -hadleybeeman 15:01:19 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:01:19 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/15-gld-minutes.html gatemezi 15:01:21 -BernardVatant 15:01:27 -Yigal 15:01:29 -boris 15:01:42 @gt, I'll do a global search & replace for "Sheridan" to "Goodwin", sorry about that! 15:01:44 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:01:44 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/15-gld-minutes.html gatemezi 15:02:03 -olyerickson 15:02:25 hope it will work:-) 15:02:30 -George_Thomas 15:02:40 it should - we'll check it :) 15:02:52 which deliverable needs the most help? 15:03:18 -rreck 15:03:32 @rreck - imho, the community directory and the cookbook are the farthest along 15:04:40 gt: can you tell me the relationship between GLD and "the open data initiative"? 15:05:04 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:05:04 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/15-gld-minutes.html gatemezi 15:06:31 @gt ..till now everything ok. thx :-) 15:06:32 not easily, my friend is a CIO in Illinois and the entire state govt has been told they need to comply with it 15:07:10 it apparently is about making information accessible and i trying to grok the intersection between his mandate and our efforts 15:07:34 i guess i need more information from him 15:08:18 in general it's a movement - perhaps he has a specific initiative - the fed agencies have to publish their plans to support 'open government' (of which open data is a part) on their /open sites... 15:08:38 us fed agencies that is... 15:08:47 gotta run! 15:08:52 bye, thanks 15:10:01 HadleyBeeman has joined #gld 15:10:46 -DruidSmith 15:11:18 rrsagent, bye 15:11:18 I see no action items