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12:24:08 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3794
12:24:08 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
12:24:09 <trackbot> Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
12:24:09 <trackbot> Date: 14 September 2011
12:24:44 <shadi> chair: Shadi
12:24:52 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2011Sep/0004.html
12:27:27 <shadi> agenda+ Welcome
12:27:27 <shadi> agenda+ Continue processing comments
12:27:27 <shadi> agenda+ Upcoming meeting schedule
12:27:38 <shadi> regrets: Emmanuelle
12:28:04 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
12:28:04 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
12:28:07 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
12:28:07 <Zakim> +Shadi
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12:32:01 <Zakim> + +30231125aaaa
12:32:15 <shadi> zakim, aaaa is Kostas
12:32:15 <Zakim> +Kostas; got it
12:32:50 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
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12:35:14 <Zakim> +??P14
12:35:41 <shadi> zakim, ? is CarlosV
12:35:42 <Zakim> +CarlosV; got it
12:36:14 <shadi> regrets: Emmanuelle, Philip
12:40:18 <shadi> zakim, pick a victim
12:40:18 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Kostas
12:40:55 <shadi> scribe: Christophe
12:41:01 <cstrobbe> zakim, agenda
12:41:01 <Zakim> I don't understand 'agenda', cstrobbe
12:41:04 <shadi> scribenick: cstrobbe
12:41:15 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
12:41:15 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Continue processing comments" taken up [from shadi]
12:41:28 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0037.html
12:41:33 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0040.html
12:43:32 <cstrobbe> CV: Editorial comment?
12:43:42 <cstrobbe> SAZ: requirements apply to entire EARL package.
12:44:01 <cstrobbe> SAZ: So, yes the requirements appy.
12:44:33 <cstrobbe> SAZ: So: the requirements document is for the entire EARL package, not for each document separately. 
12:44:58 <cstrobbe> SAZ: proposed resolution: we reference the requirements document from each of the documents.
12:45:28 <cstrobbe> RESOLUTION: we will reference the requirements document from each of the specifications.
12:46:09 <cstrobbe> SAZ: Commenter looking at editor's draft instead of published version?
12:46:39 <cstrobbe> SAZ: HIs follow-up e-mail mentions this... so he's looking at the wrong document.
12:47:05 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0038.html
12:47:06 <cstrobbe> Bug 36
12:47:10 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0042.html
12:48:04 <cstrobbe> RESOLUTION: Fix section numbering in Content in RDF.
12:48:13 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0039.html
12:48:21 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0041.html
12:51:43 <cstrobbe> CV: example not clear...
12:51:51 <cstrobbe> SAZ: (...)
12:52:17 <Zakim> -Kostas
12:53:07 <cstrobbe> SAZ: If you have dynamic content like in his example, you would need to know that as an "evaluator" and record that DOM.
12:53:26 <cstrobbe> SAZ: We need to explain how we meet that requirement.
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12:53:50 <Zakim> + +30231125aabb
12:54:04 <cstrobbe> SAZ: If you use EARL in the correct way it enables persistency.
12:54:38 <cstrobbe> SAZ: could add a not in the requirements document saying that you need to EARL in a specific way to enable persistency; it is not automatic.
12:55:28 <cstrobbe> RESOLUTION: add a note to requirement F03 explaining the limitation and the way in which EARL supports persistency.
12:56:02 <cstrobbe> SAZ: follow-up email: looking at wrong document, but comment applies
12:56:05 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0043.html
12:57:27 <cstrobbe> SAZ: we discussed this in the past.
12:58:21 <cstrobbe> SAZ: We intended intially to look much more at HTML, but there is a lot of invalidity; you cannot represent HTML except as plain text (or binary) or by extracting the DOM (which would also be XML).
12:58:43 <cstrobbe> SAZ: s you say whether you evaluated based on DOM or based on plain text version.
12:59:05 <cstrobbe> SAZ: we also looked into fuzzy pointers. The invalidity of HTML on the Web did not allow to go further.
12:59:56 <cstrobbe> SAZ: there are so many XML-related things in th spec because of the XML serialisation of RDF, i.e. XML inside XML, 
13:01:06 <cstrobbe> RESOLUTION: explain to commenter that we address HTML as plain text or as XML derived from the DOM. For some multimedia (and any binary content) we use base-64 encoding. 
13:01:33 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0044.html
13:02:45 <cstrobbe> CV: would be nice...
13:03:48 <cstrobbe> SAZ: We get this comment regularly. With a wiki we would have a hard time finding stuff. With a bug tracker it would need to remember who can edit the bugs that someone already submitted. Not a trivial system.
13:04:16 <cstrobbe> SAZ: We use tracker for some of the issues. We also use our own commenting list.
13:04:29 <cstrobbe> SAZ: We hope to have a better system in the future.
13:05:11 <cstrobbe> RESOLUTION: Explain to the commenter the current bug tracking procedure that we use and that we are aware of the issue and hope to have a better system in the future.
13:05:30 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0045.html
13:06:02 <cstrobbe> RESOLUTION: comment accepted (editorial)
13:06:08 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0046.html
13:06:34 <cstrobbe> RESOLUTION: comment accepted.
13:06:40 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0047.html
13:07:22 <cstrobbe> RESOLUTION: comment accepted (missing # in source code).
13:07:31 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0048.html
13:08:06 <cstrobbe> CV: problem with the request.
13:09:00 <shadi> http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/#term_member
13:09:41 <shadi> http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/member redirects to http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/
13:09:44 <cstrobbe> CV: First URI goes to foaf:member; second one goes to FOAF spec
13:10:14 <shadi> http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/member is a 404
13:10:24 <shadi> http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/#member does not exist
13:11:05 <shadi> <rdf:Property rdf:about="http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/member" vs:term_status="stable" rdfs:label="member" rdfs:comment="Indicates a member of a Group">
13:11:28 <cstrobbe> SAZ: correct URI is http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/#term_member . In the RDF we have http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/member
13:11:57 <cstrobbe> SAZ: Seems to be a bug on the FOAF side.
13:13:26 <shadi> <rdfs:subPropertyOf rdf:resource="http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/#term_member"/>
13:13:35 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/ns/earl
13:14:28 <shadi> should be: <rdfs:subPropertyOf rdf:resource="http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/member"/>
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13:14:55 <cstrobbe> KV: in the EARL: ...#term-member : OK. (...)
13:15:00 <shadi> ...but use isDefinedBy="http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/#term_member
13:15:05 <cstrobbe> KV: Maybe we should correct it.
13:15:57 <cstrobbe> SAZ: Two different things: in the RDF schema, for isDefinedBy we can point into the spec ...
13:17:20 <carlosV> http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/index.rdf
13:17:44 <cstrobbe> CV: may need to add a comment that we use  http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/index.rdf
13:19:45 <cstrobbe> RESOLUTION: to fix the ID in the EARL RDF schema and add a comment about the FOAF version we use
13:20:34 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:20:34 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Upcoming meeting schedule" taken up [from shadi]
13:20:53 <cstrobbe> SAZ: we meet again in 3 weeks.
13:21:43 <cstrobbe> KV: anyone going to Poland? 
13:21:57 <cstrobbe> SAZ: Then next meeting would be on 12 October?
13:22:34 <cstrobbe> SAZ: possibly list of proposals in two weeks (tentative)
13:23:02 <cstrobbe> SAZ: 28 September is tentative. Some follow-up questions, maybe.
13:23:47 <cstrobbe> SAZ: In the 1,5 weeks, we would need to review the proposed changes.
13:24:07 <cstrobbe> SAZ: 5 October is also tentative.
13:24:35 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tracker/
13:25:58 <cstrobbe> SAZ: please look at your action items.
13:26:56 <Zakim> - +30231125aabb
13:26:57 <Zakim> -CarlosV
13:27:01 <Zakim> -Shadi
13:27:04 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
13:27:04 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
13:27:04 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Shadi, +30231125aaaa, Kostas, Christophe_Strobbe, CarlosV, +30231125aabb
13:27:05 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
13:27:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/14-er-minutes.html trackbot
13:27:06 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
13:27:06 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
13:27:06 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
13:27:06 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
13:27:07 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, +30231125aaaa, Kostas, Christophe_Strobbe, CarlosV, +30231125aabb