IRC log of dnt on 2011-09-14

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rrsagent, make record public
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zakim, this will be TRACK
14:17:38 [Zakim]
ok, tlr; I see Team_(dnt)15:00Z scheduled to start in 43 minutes
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zakim, code?
14:48:17 [Zakim]
the conference code is 87225 (tel:+1.617.761.6200, tlr
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Team_(dnt)15:00Z has now started
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zakim, call thomas-781
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ok, tlr; the call is being made
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+ +1.949.483.aaaa
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zakim, call thomas-781
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ok, tlr; the call is being made
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zakim, ??P14 is mtschunter
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+mtschunter; got it
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+ +1.415.797.aabb
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zakim, aaaa is eric
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+eric; got it
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zakim, [Microsoft] has JCCannon
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+JCCannon; got it
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zakim, eric is really EricBlueCava
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+EricBlueCava; got it
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+ +1.609.981.aacc
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zakim, aabb is MaxRustinSchwab
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+MaxRustinSchwab; got it
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zakim, aacc is TomLowenthal
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+TomLowenthal; got it
14:52:09 [tlr]
zakim, who is on the phone?
14:52:09 [Zakim]
On the phone I see [Microsoft], EricBlueCava, mtschunter, Thomas, npdoty, MaxRustinSchwab, TomLowenthal
14:52:12 [Zakim]
[Microsoft] has JCCannon
14:52:17 [tlr]
zakim, thomas is really ThomasRoessler
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+ThomasRoessler; got it
14:52:49 [Zakim]
14:53:06 [tlr]
zakim, list participants
14:53:07 [Zakim]
As of this point the attendees have been +1.949.483.aaaa, npdoty, mtschunter, +1.415.797.aabb, JCCannon, EricBlueCava, +1.609.981.aacc, MaxRustinSchwab, TomLowenthal,
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... ThomasRoessler, aleecia
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+ +1.813.907.aadd
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14:53:46 [tlr]
zakim, aabb is DavidBuchsbaumNielsen
14:53:48 [Zakim]
sorry, tlr, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
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zakim, aadd is DavidBuchsbaumNielsen
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+DavidBuchsbaumNielsen; got it
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+ +1.919.388.aaee
14:54:28 [tlr]
zakim, aaee is AnnaLong
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+AnnaLong; got it
14:54:40 [David]
Tom, it is David Buksbaum from Nielsen
14:54:58 [tlr]
zakim, DavidBuchsbaumNielsen is really DavidBuksbaumNielsen
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+DavidBuksbaumNielsen; got it
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zakim, DavidBuksbaumNielsen is nick David
14:55:06 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'DavidBuksbaumNielsen is nick David', tlr
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+ +1.408.544.aaff
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zakim, nick David is DavidBuksbaumNielsen
14:55:33 [Zakim]
ok, tlr, I now associate David with DavidBuksbaumNielsen
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zakim, aaff is HarlanYu
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+HarlanYu; got it
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zakim, HarlanYu has AshkanSoltani
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+AshkanSoltani; got it
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+ +1.646.825.aagg
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zakim, aagg is DavidWeinbergAppNexus
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+DavidWeinbergAppNexus; got it
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+ +1.202.326.aahh
14:57:09 [npdoty]
for those curious about this magical IRC bot, there's documentation available here:
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zakim, aahh is EdFelten
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+EdFelten; got it
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+ +49.431.98.aaii
14:57:54 [tl]
npdoty, truly magical
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zakim, aaii is NinjaMarnauULD
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+NinjaMarnauULD; got it
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+ +1.202.684.aajj
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zakim, NMarnau is NinjaMarnauULD
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sorry, tlr, I do not recognize a party named 'NMarnau'
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zakim, aajj is JonathanMayer
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+JonathanMayer; got it
14:58:43 [tl]
zakim, who is on the phone?
14:58:43 [Zakim]
On the phone I see [Microsoft], EricBlueCava, mtschunter, ThomasRoessler, npdoty, MaxRustinSchwab, aleecia, DavidBuksbaumNielsen, TomLowenthal, AnnaLong, HarlanYu,
14:58:46 [Zakim]
... DavidWeinbergAppNexus, EdFelten, NinjaMarnauULD, JonathanMayer
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[Microsoft] has JCCannon
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HarlanYu has AshkanSoltani
14:59:06 [tlr]
zakim, nick NMarnau is NinjaMarnauULD
14:59:06 [Zakim]
ok, tlr, I now associate NMarnau with NinjaMarnauULD
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zakim, ??P22 is kdubost
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+kdubost; got it
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+ +1.770.392.aakk
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+ +1.617.284.aall
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+ +1.408.823.aamm
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+ +1.714.852.aann
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karl has changed the topic to: Privacy Activity - Tracking Protection (karl)
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+ +
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+ +1.415.734.aapp
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+ +1.908.541.aaqq
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+ +49.175.181.aarr
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+ +1.202.263.aass
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Scribe: npdoty
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RRSAgent, logs?
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I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for 'logs'
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+ +1.347.689.aatt
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zakim, aarr is FrankWagner
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+FrankWagner; got it
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RRSAgent, make logs
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'make logs', karl. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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+ +1.212.231.aauu
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+ +49.721.913.74.aavv
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+ +1.510.501.aaww
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+ +1.212.631.aaxx
15:04:57 [tlr]
zakim, mute aaxx
15:04:57 [Zakim]
+1.212.631.aaxx should now be muted
15:05:02 [ashkan]
thomas: should we do a 'hum test' for calibration? ;)
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+ +1.206.658.aayy
15:05:20 [npdoty]
tlr: Thomas Roessler, the Tech & Society Domain Leader
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zakim, who is on the phone?
15:05:30 [Zakim]
On the phone I see [Microsoft], EricBlueCava, mtschunter, ThomasRoessler, npdoty, MaxRustinSchwab, aleecia, DavidBuksbaumNielsen, TomLowenthal, AnnaLong, HarlanYu,
15:05:33 [npdoty]
npdoty: Nick Doty, staff contact
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... DavidWeinbergAppNexus, EdFelten, NinjaMarnauULD, JonathanMayer, [Microsoft.a], kdubost, +1.770.392.aakk, +1.617.284.aall, +1.408.823.aamm, +1.714.852.aann, +,
15:05:37 [Zakim]
... +1.415.734.aapp, +1.908.541.aaqq, FrankWagner, +1.202.263.aass, +1.347.689.aatt, +1.212.231.aauu, +49.721.913.74.aavv, Stephanie_Lopes, +1.510.501.aaww, +1.212.631.aaxx
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... (muted), +1.206.658.aayy
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[Microsoft] has JCCannon
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HarlanYu has AshkanSoltani
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zakim, who is speaking?
15:06:16 [Zakim]
tlr, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: DavidWeinbergAppNexus (20%), Stephanie_Lopes (6%), +49.721.913.74.aavv (18%), +1.212.231.aauu (45%)
15:06:28 [npdoty]
Alan Chappell, Blue Kai; Ed Felten, FTC, Chris Olsen, FTC; David Buksbaum, Nielsen; Dan McKinney 24/7 Real Media; ___, AT&T
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Ashkan Soltani
15:06:50 [karl]
Karl Dubost (Opera Software)
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JC Cannon, Microsoft
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Clay Webster, CBS
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Harlan Yu, Princeton; Kevin Trilli, TRUSTe
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____, Charles Schwab
15:07:17 [fielding]
Roy T. Fielding, Adobe
15:07:20 [npdoty]
Matthias Schunter, IBM
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Jonathan Mayer, Stanford
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___, Center for Privacy Protection in Germany
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@@, Future of Privacy Forum
15:07:52 [npdoty]
Roy Fielding, Adobe
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Tom Lowenthal, Mozilla
15:08:07 [npdoty]
@@@, Alcatel-Lucent
15:08:22 [Vincent]
Vincent toubiana Alcatel lucent :)
15:08:26 [aleecia]
15:08:28 [aleecia]
15:08:37 [npdoty]
s/@@@/Vincent Toubiana/
15:09:01 [tlr]
15:09:06 [npdoty]
aleecia: tight timeline, a very aggressive schedule
15:09:27 [npdoty]
… browser makers, self-regulatory groups, regulatory, etc.
15:09:37 [npdoty]
… if we don't move quickly enough, our work may be irrelevant
15:09:59 [npdoty]
… also want to move quickly to help out those who are implementing DNT now
15:10:22 [npdoty]
… so that implementers aren't having to change regularly, and so that it's easier to understand for users
15:10:35 [npdoty]
… but we also want to slow down when necessary to get work done right
15:10:52 [npdoty]
… we think this is worth a little extra effort
15:11:15 [npdoty]
… most immediate deadline is the first public working draft (FPWD)
15:11:27 [npdoty]
… 1) Tracking Preference Expression / Do Not Track
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… 2) Tracking Selection List / Tracking Protection List
15:11:46 [npdoty]
… 3) Definitions and Compliance
15:12:00 [npdoty]
… not looking to define "privacy" or such deep concepts
15:12:15 [npdoty]
… would rather have us define more specific terms, like what will count as a first party
15:12:30 [npdoty]
… work on definitions is likely to be iterative
15:13:05 [npdoty]
… won't get complete consensus in two days at MIT, but can see where we do have consensus and where we don't
15:13:39 [npdoty]
… jointly create recommendations; balance the values of stakeholders, be reasonable to implement, be sustainable over time
15:14:00 [npdoty]
… open atmosphere, constructive criticism, sharing of values and concerns
15:14:10 [tlr]
/me zakim, who is speaking?
15:14:23 [npdoty]
… chairs will step in if necessary
15:14:35 [tlr]
zakim, mute Stephanie_Lopes
15:14:35 [Zakim]
Stephanie_Lopes should now be muted
15:14:41 [npdoty]
… we can leverage previous work
15:14:52 [npdoty]
… please send suggested input documents to the mailing list for the group to discuss
15:15:15 [npdoty]
… also think about use cases for your organization
15:15:30 [npdoty]
… as in the Princeton hum, we saw that we could all live with some broad definition with exemptions
15:15:53 [Zakim]
- +1.206.658.aayy
15:15:58 [npdoty]
… current list of input documents
15:16:08 [npdoty]
… also think about the success criteria, which we'll discuss at MIT
15:16:27 [npdoty]
… some MIT logistics, please book hotels early (surprisingly crowded)
15:16:31 [Zakim]
+ +1.703.983.aazz
15:16:41 [npdoty]
… full days on 21st and 22nd
15:16:56 [npdoty]
… we're planning on 3 or 4 f2f meetings
15:17:17 [npdoty]
… second meeting at Santa Clara, CA at end of October [with TPAC]
15:17:26 [npdoty]
… third meeting probably in Europe after the holidays
15:17:48 [npdoty]
… if there is a meeting that you just cannot attend, we do understand, but the meetings can be very valuable
15:18:14 [Zakim]
15:18:30 [npdoty]
… we know there are lots of organizations still dealing with paperwork on joining the group, etc., but we won't let that get in the way of joining the meeting at MIT
15:18:50 [npdoty]
… we are aware of issues with joining the mailing list due to technical difficulties, we expect this to be resolved soon
15:19:24 [tlr]
15:19:29 [npdoty]
… we started exactly on time at 8am PT
15:19:50 [npdoty]
… any questions? please use the IRC queue "q+"
15:19:52 [fielding]
q+ did you say three separate drafts?
15:20:00 [tl]
zakim, who is speaking
15:20:00 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'who is speaking', tl
15:20:08 [tlr]
zakim, who is making noise?
15:20:18 [Zakim]
tlr, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: FrankWagner (35%)
15:20:36 [aleecia]
15:20:50 [npdoty]
aleecia: yes, Tracking Protection Lists; Do Not Track; the definitions that underlie those
15:20:58 [davidw]
15:21:13 [npdoty]
fielding: do we expect three drafts and three editors working separately?
15:21:21 [karl]
q+ is there a planned INtroduction/umbrella/tutorial document
15:21:37 [npdoty]
aleecia: yes, we're not ready to announce editors yet, but that's how we expect it to go
15:22:18 [npdoty]
karl: should we have a more accessible document, to explain/introduce?
15:22:28 [fielding]
karl: I suggest we postpone that until after the hard drafts are mostly complete
15:22:34 [npdoty]
aleecia: we haven't thought of that, but it may be useful
15:22:41 [Zakim]
+ +1.206.658.bbaa
15:22:59 [aleecia]
15:23:13 [ashkan]
15:23:15 [karl]
fielding, yup didn't want to do it now, just wanted to know if there would be plans for that.
15:23:36 [karl]
s/karl: I suggest/karl, I suggest/
15:23:48 [tlr]
zakim, who is speaking?
15:23:59 [Zakim]
tlr, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: DavidWeinbergAppNexus (63%), +1.703.983.aazz (50%), aleecia (61%), +49.721.913.74.aavv (14%)
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15:25:41 [npdoty]
@@: emphasis on DNT; to what extent would the work enable tracking across multiple services?
15:26:03 [npdoty]
… for auditing purposes, I would want to track where a request has gone
15:26:30 [npdoty]
… track a message, how you responded, who touched the message, decide whether to engage Do Not Track
15:26:52 [npdoty]
aleecia: those are certainly the sorts of questions we'll talk about, and should start working out at MIT
15:27:08 [aleecia]
15:27:13 [npdoty]
… encourage you to write up the use case from your company's perspective and the user's perspective
15:28:10 [npdoty]
ashkan: before the workshop or ongoing, are there attempts to aggregate various proposals and highlight key differences?
15:28:20 [npdoty]
… a lot of similarities between various drafts from different stakeholders
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15:28:51 [npdoty]
aleecia: that's a great comment, and some academic work of my own that would be useful input
15:29:04 [aleecia]
action: aleecia to look at summary
15:29:04 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-1 - Look at summary [on Aleecia McDonald - due 2011-09-21].
15:29:13 [aleecia]
15:29:16 [ashkan]
15:29:24 [Zakim]
- +1.212.631.aaxx
15:29:42 [ashkan]
15:30:02 [ashkan]
(also seems choppy on my end)
15:30:19 [npdoty]
@@@: a clarification, how we express preferences and how web clients will respond to users <choppy>
15:30:45 [npdoty]
aleecia: agree that we're talking more than just the client
15:31:21 [ashkan]
no. i was talking about various draft's in circulation (CDT, IAB, etc)
15:31:28 [npdoty]
@@@: a clarification on the previous concern, I thought that he was talking about a user sending the DNT being able to know who had responded to that message
15:31:53 [karl]
rssagent, make log
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rrsagent, make log
15:32:02 [RRSAgent]
I'm logging. I don't understand 'make log', karl. Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:32:23 [aleecia]
15:32:27 [npdoty]
aleecia: I thought the earlier question was about how the enterprise could understand, rather than the user having that visibility
15:32:36 [karl]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate karl
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rrsagent, make log public
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15:33:17 [npdoty]
aleecia: so I believe we can close early, but feel free to send email
15:33:18 [Zakim]
- +1.617.284.aall
15:33:29 [npdoty]
… and should be able to work out mailing list issues soon
15:34:17 [tl]
thanks aleecia for chairing and npdoty for scribing!
15:34:18 [npdoty]
tlr: in response to ashkan, the work of the group will mostly be done by the participants, so if anyone wants to help with that analysis/aggregation, this would be a great time to contribute
15:34:36 [Zakim]
- +1.415.734.aapp
15:34:40 [npdoty]
aleecia: +1, since many of you have been personally involved
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- +1.703.983.aazz
15:34:44 [karl]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate karl
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- +1.202.263.aass
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- +1.206.658.bbaa
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- +1.212.231.aauu
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- +1.908.541.aaqq
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- +1.408.823.aamm
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- +1.510.501.aaww
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- +1.347.689.aatt
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- +49.721.913.74.aavv
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- +
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- +1.714.852.aann
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- +1.770.392.aakk
15:35:45 [karl]
aleecia, will this be the channel for all our work?
15:35:46 [Zakim]
15:35:47 [Zakim]
15:35:50 [Zakim]
15:35:52 [Zakim]
15:35:57 [aleecia]
Hi Karl - more the mailing list
15:35:58 [Zakim]
15:36:06 [karl]
15:36:10 [karl]
but for the meetings
15:36:11 [aleecia]
But on calls, we will use this heavily
15:36:14 [aleecia]
15:36:18 [karl]
always #dnt from now on
15:36:20 [npdoty]
15:36:22 [karl]
15:36:29 [Zakim]
15:36:30 [Zakim]
Team_(dnt)15:00Z has ended
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Attendees were +1.949.483.aaaa, npdoty, mtschunter, +1.415.797.aabb, JCCannon, EricBlueCava, +1.609.981.aacc, MaxRustinSchwab, TomLowenthal, ThomasRoessler, aleecia,
15:36:34 [aleecia]
There's a good question - the name doesn't fit the work
15:36:34 [karl]
adding it to my list of automatic channels to join
15:36:35 [Zakim]
... +1.813.907.aadd, +1.919.388.aaee, AnnaLong, DavidBuksbaumNielsen, +1.408.544.aaff, AshkanSoltani, +1.646.825.aagg, DavidWeinbergAppNexus, +1.202.326.aahh, EdFelten,
15:36:39 [Zakim]
... +49.431.98.aaii, NinjaMarnauULD, +1.202.684.aajj, JonathanMayer, [Microsoft], kdubost, +1.770.392.aakk, +1.617.284.aall, +1.408.823.aamm, +1.714.852.aann, +,
15:36:44 [Zakim]
... +1.415.734.aapp, +1.908.541.aaqq, +49.175.181.aarr, +1.202.263.aass, +1.347.689.aatt, FrankWagner, +1.212.231.aauu, +49.721.913.74.aavv, Stephanie_Lopes, +1.510.501.aaww,
15:36:45 [aleecia]
But yes, we are #dnt
15:36:47 [Zakim]
... +1.212.631.aaxx, +1.206.658.aayy, +1.703.983.aazz, shayman, +1.206.658.bbaa
15:37:27 [karl]
15:37:56 [aleecia]
Thanks (all) for joining the call today
15:38:22 [tl]
impressive swiftness, aleecia =]
15:38:44 [NMarnau]
thanks aleecia for introducing the project
15:42:33 [Zakim]
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+ +1.949.202.aaaa
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Team_(dnt)15:00Z has ended
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Attendees were +1.949.202.aaaa
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