15:33:41 RRSAgent has joined #text 15:33:41 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/09/12-text-irc 15:36:05 zakim, this is WAI_PF(Text) 15:36:05 ok, Judy; that matches WAI_PF(Text)11:30AM 15:36:22 Lynn_Holdsworth has joined #text 15:36:42 agenda+ response(s) on longdesc 15:36:42 agenda+ status/discussion meta generator proposal 15:36:42 agenda+ status/discussion table summary 15:36:42 agenda+ status/discussion fig caption 15:36:42 agenda+ update from bug triage team regarding any incoming text-alternative-related bugs? 15:36:43 agenda+ input into process review? 15:36:45 agenda+ other business? 15:36:47 agenda+ confirm next meeting; identify next scribe; adjourn. 15:37:24 + +44.207.391.aaaa 15:37:58 zakim, +44.207.391.aaaa is Lynn 15:37:58 +Lynn; got it 15:38:01 scribe: janina 15:38:30 regrets: Joshue 15:38:34 regrets: Laura 15:39:46 zakim, take up item 1 15:39:46 agendum 1. "response(s) on longdesc" taken up [from Judy] 15:40:09 judy: Will follow up this week on John's draft 15:40:14 janina, me too 15:40:36 judy: Other responses needed? 15:41:56 john: Matt has updated his no change cp following on suggestion from Sam that the original cp was weak 15:44:54 john: either two responses? or single response to all issues? 15:46:52 Matt's CP: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/LongdescZeroEdit 15:48:33 john: Thinking that rsponding to Matt's specific assertions would be useful 15:50:34 Judy, Usually direct and substantive response is best. 15:51:09 Judy, If concern about past interaction, perhaps 'reflections on' ton the TF list first? 15:51:19 John, Want to finish Jonas response first 15:53:54 John, Can suggest some pointers where the issues where previously responded 15:55:25 Judy, Let's keep it simple ... 15:55:49 Judy, I'll respond to your draft today, interested to see Janina's terse approach, etc 15:55:52 zakim, close item 1 15:55:52 agendum 1, response(s) on longdesc, closed 15:55:53 zakim, next item 15:55:55 I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 15:55:57 2. status/discussion meta generator proposal [from Judy] 15:55:59 agendum 2. "status/discussion meta generator proposal" taken up [from Judy] 15:56:00 zakim, take up item 2 15:56:00 agendum 2. "status/discussion meta generator proposal" taken up [from Judy] 15:57:17 Judy, Suggest Text call resolve and forward to TF now 15:58:43 zakim, close item 2 15:58:43 agendum 2, status/discussion meta generator proposal, closed 15:58:44 I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 15:58:46 3. status/discussion table summary [from Judy] 15:58:50 zakim, take up item 3 15:58:50 agendum 3. "status/discussion table summary" taken up [from Judy] 15:59:32 status is that Laura believes more use case development would be useful 16:00:38 Judy, Question may be whether the Josh proposal matches the questions from the Chairs table summary decision 16:00:45 Janina, Can look midweek 16:00:57 Janina, Will respond on line 16:01:13 action: janina read and respond to josh's table summary comments, and respond to Laura's comments 16:03:01 zakim, close item 3 16:03:01 agendum 3, status/discussion table summary, closed 16:03:02 I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 16:03:04 4. status/discussion fig caption [from Judy] 16:03:06 zakim, take up item 4 16:03:06 agendum 4. "status/discussion fig caption" taken up [from Judy] 16:03:49 Judy, noting recent interesting suggestions from Steve Faulkner 16:04:22 Judy, Not sure it changes the bottom line, where some number certain can divide between useful and nonuseful alt standins 16:05:00 Judy, Geoff and I have found some more examples that I can share, but need a bit of intro 16:05:21 Judy, May be that we need a warning not a conformance error 16:07:26 Janina, in particular, may be relevant to add warnings for assistive technologies not to read out anything over a certain length 16:08:17 Judy, Janina, can you bring this up at CG? 16:08:20 Janina, Yes 16:09:11 zakim, close item 4 16:09:11 agendum 4, status/discussion fig caption, closed 16:09:12 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 16:09:14 5. update from bug triage team regarding any incoming text-alternative-related bugs? [from Judy] 16:09:17 zakim, take up item 5 16:09:17 agendum 5. "update from bug triage team regarding any incoming text-alternative-related bugs?" taken up [from Judy] 16:12:20 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13668 16:13:37 Janina, Maciej interested in this issue when I reported on our TF discussion during the WG telecon last Thursday 16:14:10 Janina, We were uncertain whether this is HTML spec, or CSS spec, etc. 16:14:23 Janina, We set up a subteam to deal with this directly, chaired by John 16:16:03 John, Tab Atkins responded on bug, will have conversation with him after this week when next he's available to discuss 16:17:25 Lynn, Who generates this content? 16:17:40 John, That's the issue. Sometimes UA, sometimes CSS, etc., etc 16:19:19 John, Benjamin Hawkes-lewis suggets generated text is a a11y failure, CSS should not generate 16:23:18 Judy, Judy, How long will this subteam need to come to an opinion? 16:23:22 John, Unsure 16:26:03 Judy, Encouraging John to plan work so that the subteam doesn't become a self-perpetuating long term effort 16:27:19 Janina, Scope may be sufficient to clearly identify the issue. We don't have the "elevator speech" on this yet 16:29:18 zakim, close item 5 16:29:18 agendum 5, update from bug triage team regarding any incoming text-alternative-related bugs?, closed 16:29:20 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 16:29:22 6. input into process review? [from Judy] 16:29:39 zakim, take up 6 16:29:39 I don't understand 'take up 6', Judy 16:30:17 zakim, close item 6 16:30:17 agendum 6, input into process review?, closed 16:30:18 I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 16:30:20 7. other business? [from Judy] 16:30:22 agenda? 16:38:25 -Lynn 16:38:27 -John_Foliot 16:38:29 -Judy 16:38:31 rrsagent, make log public 16:38:35 zakim, bye 16:38:35 leaving. As of this point the attendees were John_Foliot, Judy, Lynn 16:38:36 Zakim has left #text 16:38:43 rrsagent, make minutes 16:38:43 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/12-text-minutes.html janina