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09:01:39 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG
09:01:39 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
09:01:40 <trackbot> Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
09:01:40 <trackbot> Date: 07 September 2011
09:02:54 <Zakim> ok, Yves; conference Team_(Mediafrag)09:02Z scheduled with code 26632 (CONF2) for 60 minutes until 1002Z
09:03:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/07-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
09:04:01 <Zakim> Team_(Mediafrag)09:02Z has now started
09:04:09 <Zakim> + +33.4.93.00.aaaa
09:04:17 <raphael> Chair: Rapael
09:04:25 <raphael> s/Rapael/Raphael
09:04:41 <raphael> Regrets: Erik, Davy
09:04:47 <raphael> Scribe: raphael
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09:05:15 <raphael> oups :-)
09:05:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/07-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
09:05:48 <Zakim> +Bert
09:08:39 <Zakim> + +28012aabb
09:08:51 <silvia> zakim, aabb is me
09:08:51 <Zakim> +silvia; got it
09:09:00 <Zakim> + +1.404.978.aacc
09:09:24 <raphael> Topic: 1. ADMIN
09:09:39 <raphael> Yves will book zakim again until the end of the year
09:11:00 <raphael> Yves: I would like that the features at risk is explicit in the status section of the document
09:11:12 <raphael> ... in particular the entire section on which the group votes for keeping it or not
09:11:20 <raphael> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the last telecon: http://www.w3.org/2011/07/27-mediafrag-minutes.html
09:11:25 <tomayac> +1
09:11:27 <raphael> +1
09:11:28 <silvia> +1
09:11:29 <Yves> +1
09:11:32 <raphael> minutes accepted
09:11:40 <raphael> Topic: 2. SPEC
09:11:47 <raphael> ACTION-234?
09:11:47 <trackbot> ACTION-234 -- Thomas Steiner to review the "Media Type Specifications and Registration Procedures" IETF draft -- due 2011-08-25 -- OPEN
09:11:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/234
09:12:10 <raphael> Review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Aug/0006.html
09:12:43 <raphael> Raphael: Thomas, could you send this review to IETF on behalf of the group
09:12:50 <tomayac> sure, will do
09:12:57 <raphael> close ACTION-234
09:12:57 <trackbot> ACTION-234 Review the "Media Type Specifications and Registration Procedures" IETF draft closed
09:13:03 <raphael> ACTION-231?
09:13:03 <trackbot> ACTION-231 -- Yves Lafon to check if his grammar is in synch with the latest version of the spec -- due 2011-07-13 -- OPEN
09:13:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/231
09:13:43 <raphael> Yves: will do it in 2 weeks
09:14:01 <raphael> Topic: 3. TEST CASES AND IMPLEMENTATIONS
09:14:22 <raphael> Raphael: we have the nightlies of Firefox
09:14:33 <raphael> ... we have a version of Opera but who has tested it?
09:14:54 <raphael> ... @foolip, how can we download a nightly to test your implementation?
09:14:58 <silvia> I didn't see it … sorry
09:15:04 <raphael> close ACTION-227
09:15:05 <trackbot> ACTION-227 Announce a link to a nightly implementing part of the media fragment spec closed
09:15:21 <foolip> There is no nightly, only the build I made at OVC last year
09:15:39 <raphael> ACTION-228?
09:15:39 <trackbot> ACTION-228 -- Thomas Steiner to develop the validator page using his js library for media fragments -- due 2011-07-20 -- OPEN
09:15:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/228
09:16:01 <silvia> @foolip: is it in the main trunk and will it become part of a release or are there no plans?
09:16:27 <foolip> it's on a branch, there are no immediate plans to do anything with it
09:17:07 <raphael> @foolip do you think you can made another build and share it with the group?
09:17:45 <raphael> Thomas: I have filled a entry for Chromium to get Media Frag implemented
09:17:52 <tomayac> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=94368
09:18:03 <raphael> ... I will look internally who is the best person to lobby
09:19:12 <foolip> raphael, that would be a fair amount of work (making a proper desktop build), would it be valuable?
09:19:44 <tomayac> user script à la greasemonkey
09:19:53 <raphael> Thomas: I plan to turn my js library in a GreaseMonkey script that would make some browsers (Firefox, Chrome, Safari?) natively supporting media fragment
09:20:27 <raphael> @foolip we need to generate test report of existing implementations, so we will need to have some frozen versions at some point
09:20:42 <raphael> ... I understand that generating builds for multiple OS is a great amount of work
09:20:48 <raphael> ... how can we help?
09:21:01 <raphael> ... what is the plan of Opera to include it in the main trunk at some point?
09:21:03 <foolip> ok, for those purposes I think we can consider Opera's implementation to be non-existent for the time being
09:21:17 <foolip> and update it when there is an implementation released on the normal path
09:21:20 <silvia> zakim, mute me
09:21:20 <Zakim> silvia should now be muted
09:21:46 <foolip> if we don't go through proper integration, I can't get proper testing, so the results would reflect badly on us, most likely
09:22:38 <raphael> ok foolip, and you have a schedule plan for proper integration?
09:22:52 <raphael> Thomas: I will think more about the GreaseMonkey script
09:23:12 <raphael> Topic: 4. HTML5 Bugs
09:23:18 <raphael> See: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10723
09:23:45 <foolip> raphael, I'll be honest and say that MF is pretty far down the priority list for <video>, after things like  <track>, WebRTC, adaptive streaming, multitrack and Audio API
09:24:28 <raphael> Raphael: I will re-open this bug
09:24:35 <foolip> We won't be taking the lead here, like I had initially hoped.
09:24:37 <raphael> ... based on Chris nightly implementation
09:25:59 <raphael> Topic: 5. AOB
09:26:14 <silvia> zakim, unmute me
09:26:14 <Zakim> silvia should no longer be muted
09:26:26 <raphael> Raphael: the main point of discussion now should be complete the test cases review and mainly generate test cases report
09:26:46 <raphael> ... so that we can see what is well implemented
09:26:59 <raphael> Silvia: we need now nice web page and applications that use media fragments
09:27:26 <raphael> ... liaise with video sharing platform?
09:27:46 <raphael> Thomas: I have an application accepted at the DeRiVE workshop
09:27:55 <raphael> ... that detects events in videos
09:28:21 <raphael> ... Raphael and me can brainstorm on a web site that showcase media fragment implementations
09:28:42 <raphael> ... including good and cool web sites
09:29:21 <raphael> ... People seem to focus on the temporal aspect only of the spec
09:29:30 <raphael> ... should we be worried?
09:29:43 <raphael> ... should we ultimately split the spec into temporal aspects vs other aspectS?
09:30:12 <raphael> Yves: I think you have a good point
09:30:27 <raphael> ... CSS is very keen to use Media Fragments for slicing
09:30:34 <silvia> zakim, mute me
09:30:34 <Zakim> silvia should now be muted
09:30:34 <raphael> ... we should focus on this part as well
09:31:31 <raphael> ... perhaps discuss with David Baron for Mozilla, ask Philip for Opera ... or ask Bert from W3C
09:33:05 <silvia> zakim, unmute me
09:33:05 <Zakim> silvia should no longer be muted
09:33:51 <raphael> Yves: if we have multiple partial implementations that all together cover the whole spec, this is fine if the group decides so
09:34:08 <raphael> ... for an audio client, this makes no sense to implement the spatial visual part
09:34:28 <raphael> Silvia: do we expect a browser to implement the whole spec or only some features?
09:34:35 <raphael> ... I think we should look for features
09:34:40 <raphael> Raphael: +1!
09:34:52 <tomayac> +1, silvia
09:35:06 <silvia> zakim, mute me
09:35:06 <Zakim> silvia should now be muted
09:35:11 <raphael> Silvia: we need e.g. 2 different implementations for the temporal features
09:35:59 <raphael> Raphael: other things you would like to discuss
09:36:11 <silvia> zakim, unmute me
09:36:11 <Zakim> silvia should no longer be muted
09:36:19 <Zakim> -Yves
09:36:30 <Zakim> -Thomas
09:36:31 <raphael> Silvia: I will publicize Media Fragments at OVC
09:36:32 <Zakim> -silvia
09:36:33 <Zakim> -raphael
09:36:34 <Zakim> Team_(Mediafrag)09:02Z has ended
09:36:35 <Zakim> Attendees were +33.4.93.00.aaaa, raphael, Yves, +28012aabb, silvia, +1.404.978.aacc, Thomas
09:36:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/07-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
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09:37:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/07-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
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13:09:49 <raphael> RRSAgent, bye
13:09:49 <RRSAgent> I see no action items