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12:27:30 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3794
12:27:30 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
12:27:31 <trackbot> Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
12:27:31 <trackbot> Date: 07 September 2011
12:28:59 <shadi> agenda+ Welcome
12:28:59 <shadi> agenda+ Continue processing comments
12:28:59 <shadi> agenda+ Upcoming meeting schedule
12:29:41 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2011Sep/0001.html
12:29:44 <shadi> chair: Shadi
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12:29:50 <shadi> regrets: Kostas
12:31:15 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
12:31:15 <Zakim> sorry, shadi, I don't know what conference this is
12:31:30 <shadi> zakim, this will be ert
12:31:30 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, shadi
12:31:44 <shadi> zakim, list conferences
12:31:44 <Zakim> I see Team_(w3m)12:08Z active
12:31:45 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are Team_(mediaann)08:07Z, Team_(w3m)12:05Z
12:33:01 <philipA> I get an error message using zakim: "this passcode is not valid"
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12:33:40 <shadi> zakim seems confused
12:33:43 <philipA> btw. how can I make comments in irc?
12:34:46 <cstrobbe> zakim, are you awake?
12:34:46 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, cstrobbe.
12:34:55 <cstrobbe> zakim, are you on STRIKE??
12:34:55 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, cstrobbe.
12:35:04 <cstrobbe> zakim, you are just useles
12:35:04 <Zakim> I don't understand 'you are just useles', cstrobbe
12:35:26 <shadi> zakim, this is ert
12:35:26 <Zakim> sorry, shadi, I do not see a conference named 'ert' in progress or scheduled at this time
12:35:54 <shadi> zakim, room for 8?
12:35:55 <Zakim> ok, shadi; conference Team_(er)12:35Z scheduled with code 26633 (CONF3) for 60 minutes until 1335Z
12:36:22 <shadi> can people use the conference code "26633" for tdoay?
12:36:29 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
12:36:29 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
12:36:30 <Zakim> Team_(er)12:35Z has now started
12:36:31 <Zakim> +Shadi
12:36:45 <shadi> agenda?
12:37:04 <Zakim> +??P8
12:37:15 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
12:37:20 <Zakim> +??P4
12:37:27 <shadi> zakim, ?p8? is Philip
12:37:27 <Zakim> sorry, shadi, I do not recognize a party named '?p8?'
12:37:36 <shadi> zakim, ??p8 is Philip
12:37:36 <Zakim> +Philip; got it
12:37:45 <shadi> zakim, ??p4 is Carlos
12:37:45 <Zakim> +Carlos; got it
12:38:14 <shadi> scribe: Philip
12:38:20 <shadi> scribenick: philipA 
12:38:38 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
12:38:38 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome" taken up [from shadi]
12:41:34 <shadi> zakim, take up next
12:41:34 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Continue processing comments" taken up [from shadi]
12:41:48 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0027.html
12:44:17 <philipA> CarlosV: would leave it as it is
12:44:27 <philipA> CarlosV: nothing wrong with it
12:45:58 <philipA> Shadi: discussed this in the past, we would need a assertion container, that groups different assertions
12:46:12 <philipA> Shadi: quite complex, so we decided to drop this
12:47:32 <philipA> Shadi: verboose, but not redundant information
12:49:10 <philipA> RESOLUTION: To reduce verbosity the complexity of the model would be far higher, group is not willing to take this step
12:49:16 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0028.html
12:50:41 <philipA> Shadi: within rdf schema you can use defined by to link
12:51:09 <philipA> CarlosV: Would accept comment
12:51:32 <philipA> Shadi: spec and schema cross references would be good
12:51:33 <cstrobbe> would that be rdfs:isDefinedBy ?
12:51:50 <philipA> RESOLUTION: Accept the comment
12:51:59 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0029.html
12:52:35 <philipA> CarlosV: Accept it
12:52:49 <philipA> Shadi: Right, is a bug
12:52:59 <philipA> RESOLUTION: Accept the comment
12:53:02 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0030.html
12:53:35 <philipA> RESOLUTION: Accept the comment
12:53:39 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0031.html
12:54:16 <philipA> RESOLUTION: Accept the comment
12:54:32 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0032.html
12:55:58 <shadi> zakim, pick a victim
12:55:58 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Philip
12:56:49 <philipA> ACTION: CarlosV to review xUnit
12:56:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-132 - Review xUnit [on Carlos A. Velasco - due 2011-09-14].
12:57:17 <philipA> ACTION: CStrobbe to review TAP
12:57:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-133 - Review TAP [on Christophe Strobbe - due 2011-09-14].
12:58:02 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0033.html
12:59:41 <philipA> Shadi: direct RDF to JSON conversion is really difficult
13:00:00 <philipA> Shadi: if we would have an xml serialization, it would be much easier
13:00:40 <philipA> Shadi: most important to have an xml schema
13:01:12 <philipA> Shadi: RDF is not focused on the information structure
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13:04:19 <philipA> Shadi: which serialization would be most useful to tool developers
13:05:35 <philipA> Shadi: there are no dependencies between the different serializations
13:06:38 <philipA> Shadi: happy to have support to create those serializations
13:07:16 <philipA> RESOLUTION: explain the current situation with respect to serialization
13:08:19 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0034.html
13:10:11 <philipA> CarlosV: don't think it is a must for us
13:10:15 <philipA> Shadi: agreed
13:10:52 <philipA> Shadi: it's not part of the inital requirements
13:11:17 <philipA> RESOLUTION: explain the current situation with respect to serialization
13:11:27 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0036.html
13:13:10 <philipA> CarlosV: maybe thats right
13:13:49 <philipA> CStrobbe: what are the reasons for making these other documents WG notes?
13:14:11 <philipA> Shadi: HTTP in RDF seems really stable
13:14:51 <philipA> Shadi: Content in RDF and Pointer in RDF needs more reviewing
13:15:10 <philipA> CarlosV: Content in RDF is important part of EARL processing tool
13:18:31 <philipA> Shadi: EARL guide does not contain the conformance requirement
13:18:44 <philipA> Shadi: should not go to REC
13:18:53 <philipA> Shadi: that it could updated more easily
13:19:03 <shadi> s/EARL guide does/if EARL Guide does
13:19:29 <shadi> s/should not go/then it should not go
13:19:43 <shadi> s/that it could/so that it can be
13:20:29 <philipA> Shadi: for the other parts we need to check with the implementations
13:21:02 <philipA> Shadi: any we put in REC we need implementations for
13:21:19 <philipA> CarlosV: we got Content and HTTP in RDF in full
13:21:47 <philipA> CarlosV: in our implementation
13:22:29 <philipA> RESOLUTION: group is considering putting some modules on REC trac
13:23:56 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:23:56 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Upcoming meeting schedule" taken up [from shadi]
13:25:07 <shadi> meeting next week
13:25:11 <shadi> probably no meeting on 21st
13:25:19 <shadi> possibly meeting on 28th
13:25:37 <shadi> regrets from CarlosV and Philip on 5th Oct
13:26:17 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/timeline
13:28:11 <Zakim> -Carlos
13:28:12 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
13:28:13 <Zakim> -Philip
13:28:15 <Zakim> -Shadi
13:28:15 <Zakim> Team_(er)12:35Z has ended
13:28:17 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
13:28:17 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, Christophe_Strobbe, Philip, Carlos
13:28:17 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
13:28:17 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
13:28:18 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
13:28:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/07-er-minutes.html trackbot
13:28:19 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
13:28:19 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/07-er-actions.rdf :
13:28:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: CarlosV to review xUnit [1]
13:28:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/07-er-irc#T12-56-49
13:28:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: CStrobbe to review TAP [2]
13:28:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/07-er-irc#T12-57-17
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