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15:06:39 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Sep/0010.html
15:07:31 <MichaelC> Meeting: HTML-A11y Bug Triage telecon
15:07:33 <MichaelC> Chair: Léonie_Watson
15:07:34 <MichaelC> agenda+ Identify Scribe
15:07:36 <MichaelC> agenda+ Tagged bugs review
15:07:37 <MichaelC> agenda+ Untagged bugs review
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15:08:18 <MichaelC> regrets: Marco_Ranon, Gez_Lemon
15:09:46 <Joshue> scribe: Joshue
15:09:46 <MichaelC> scribe: Joshue
15:09:51 <MichaelC> zakim, close item 1
15:09:51 <Zakim> agendum 1, Identify Scribe, closed
15:09:52 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:09:53 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
15:09:53 <Zakim> 2. Tagged bugs review [from MichaelC]
15:09:55 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Tagged bugs review" taken up [from MichaelC]
15:11:29 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13661
15:11:45 <Joshue> To be assigned to Cynthia
15:12:49 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13662
15:13:14 <Joshue> MC: This is the same situation.
15:13:26 <Joshue> To be assigned to Cynthia
15:14:19 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13666
15:14:57 <Joshue> MC: Recommended this as a TF priority, but not a high one.
15:15:23 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
15:15:23 <Zakim> Joshue_O_Connor should now be muted
15:15:36 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13667
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15:15:49 <Joshue> MC: The title att is overloaded, this is a TF priority
15:16:01 <Joshue> <agreement>
15:16:25 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13668
15:16:38 <Joshue> MC: There is work to be done on this but we should track it.
15:16:47 <Joshue> HH: This is where content isn't seen?
15:16:56 <Joshue> MC: There are lots of different issues.
15:17:11 <Joshue>  <agreement to add a11ytf keyword>
15:17:28 <Joshue> MC: We could assign it to Greg
15:17:37 <Joshue> MC: He's not formally a member tho
15:17:53 <Joshue> MC: He's in UAAG
15:18:19 <Joshue> MC: We could bring it up on Thurs a11y call
15:18:51 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13669
15:18:58 <Joshue> MC: Batch changes to DOM
15:19:36 <Joshue> MC: I think we don't need to track it, because it has been addressed by Ian but if Greg isn't satisfied then it is an issue.
15:19:55 <Joshue> MC: Assign to Greg, get confirmation that it is an issue but don't add keyword.
15:20:16 <Joshue> HH: Is the issue about group firing of DOM event?
15:20:24 <Joshue> s/event/events
15:20:45 <Joshue> HH: If you have a batch of DOM mutation events the AT needs to be informed.
15:20:58 <Joshue> MC: It may be tolerable, if not ideal.
15:21:04 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13724
15:21:18 <Joshue> MC: Not an a11y priority
15:21:41 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13727
15:22:00 <Joshue> MC: This is a TF issue, and is attached to text sub group.
15:22:19 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13728
15:22:28 <Joshue> MC: We need to discuss this
15:22:53 <Joshue> MC: We have been dealing with this in the Text Sub group.
15:23:16 <Joshue> zakim, unmute me
15:23:16 <Zakim> Joshue_O_Connor should no longer be muted
15:23:44 <Joshue> MC: I want to add a dependency to 8171
15:24:12 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
15:24:12 <Zakim> Joshue_O_Connor should now be muted
15:24:32 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13729
15:24:39 <Joshue> MC: Dup of 10642
15:24:50 <Joshue> MC: Don't need to track
15:25:35 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13730
15:25:47 <Joshue> MC: Dup of 13729
15:26:23 <Joshue> There are no URIs for Marcos bugs
15:26:43 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13359
15:26:54 <Joshue> LW: Ask John Folito to follow up
15:27:04 <Joshue> s/Folito/Foliot
15:27:19 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13377
15:27:54 <Joshue> LW: Go with Marcos recommendation
15:28:06 <Joshue> MR: I think allowing CAPTION outside tables would
15:28:06 <Joshue> create more confusion. 
15:28:20 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13383
15:28:25 <Joshue> zakim, unmute me
15:28:25 <Zakim> Joshue_O_Connor should no longer be muted
15:28:51 <Joshue> John Foliot to follow up
15:29:05 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13390
15:29:44 <Joshue> LW: To be labelled with a11ytf keyword
15:29:56 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13400
15:30:05 <Joshue> LW: Marco suggest ignore.
15:30:13 <Joshue> s/suggest/suggests
15:30:36 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13416
15:30:50 <Joshue> JOC: We may want to take some time to parse this
15:31:26 <Joshue> LW" Will we assign it to Rich?
15:31:40 <Joshue> HH: Is it an editorial change?
15:32:20 <Joshue> MC: We should assign it to Rich to determine if it is a TF priority
15:32:32 <Joshue> MC: Or to close it.
15:32:48 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13461
15:33:06 <Joshue> LW: Comment on longdesc, has text, a11y keyword etc
15:33:25 <Joshue> MC: This needs to be tagged to the TF as a whole
15:33:58 <Joshue> JOC: Probably worth discussing by wider group
15:34:13 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13497
15:34:33 <Joshue> LW: Marco asked for clarification
15:35:48 <Joshue> MC: I don't agree with the bug
15:36:07 <Joshue> MC: It could result in overloading the word 'alternate'.
15:36:35 <Joshue> LW: We won't worry about tagging this one
15:37:00 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13510
15:37:15 <Joshue> JOC: There is no bug description
15:37:26 <Joshue> MC: This may be a placeholder bug, more info needed
15:37:43 <Joshue> MC: This is also filled against the HTML API doc
15:37:50 <Joshue> MC: No need to track
15:38:24 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13520
15:38:34 <Joshue> LW: Bug closed, seems ok. 
15:38:44 <Joshue> MC: Assign to Andrew and ask for verification
15:39:03 <Joshue> Gez's Bugs
15:39:11 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13731
15:39:46 <Joshue> JOC: They will defo say this is a user agent issue
15:39:49 <Joshue> HH: Why?
15:40:02 <Joshue> MC: This is specific to the audio element
15:40:14 <Joshue> LW: Should we monitor it?
15:41:08 <Joshue> MC: We should track.
15:42:00 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13732
15:42:25 <Joshue> LW: Is the canvas group tracking?
15:42:34 <Joshue> MC: We should track as it relates to work we are doing
15:42:48 <Joshue> JOC: +1 to tracking
15:43:27 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13733
15:44:47 <Joshue> JOC: There is an issue of context, is it in conjunction with <canvas> etc then its an issue.
15:44:54 <Joshue> MC: I think this is an issue
15:45:06 <Joshue> MC: I am surprised at Ian response
15:45:15 <Joshue> s/Ian/Ian's
15:45:25 <Joshue> MC: I think we should track it
15:45:42 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13734
15:46:25 <Joshue> JOC: Is that text on Input elements spec text?
15:47:32 <Joshue> The main URI is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-comments/2011Aug/0008.html
15:47:41 <Joshue> VHA Comments on HTML5 Draft Specification
15:48:43 <Joshue> JOC: I agree with it, the bug is a detail from above.
15:49:03 <Joshue> MC: This bug isn't adding anything, it is dealt with in other a11y bugs
15:49:22 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13736
15:49:35 <Joshue> HH: Its from the VHA
15:50:55 <Joshue> JOC: What should we do with these, the feedback is useful but not suitable bug fodder?
15:51:49 <Joshue> JOC: Quite a few of these are comments from the VHA.
15:55:10 <Joshue> LW: THere is useful info here.
15:55:21 <Joshue> MC: API mapping is up to a seperate doc.
15:55:47 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
15:55:47 <Zakim> Joshue_O_Connor should now be muted
15:56:20 <hhillen> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13738
15:57:05 <hhillen> LW: We should track it
15:57:07 <Joshue> Scribe:Hans Hillen
15:57:26 <Joshue> zakim, unmute me
15:57:26 <Zakim> Joshue_O_Connor should no longer be muted
15:59:22 <Zakim> -Joshue_O_Connor
15:59:42 <hhillen> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13739
15:59:50 <MichaelC> scribeNick: hhillen
16:00:20 <hhillen> MC: We need to assign this to someone to provide more info
16:02:08 <hhillen> HH: This is another VHA bug that basically states text, caret andselection info needs to be properly exposed for editable content 
16:02:53 <hhillen> LW: We'll tag it with the keyword and bring it up at the task force meeting on Thursday
16:03:10 <hhillen> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13814
16:03:30 <hhillen> LW: duplicate of 13733
16:05:49 <hhillen> MC: If it's the same as 13733 and this one provides better detail, this should be marked as blocks 13733, add the task force keyword
16:06:13 <hhillen> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13833
16:07:23 <hhillen> LW: It's a suggestion for a new image element that contains tactile information for tactile displays
16:07:59 <hhillen> LW: I'm not sure this would need a specific tag
16:09:09 <hhillen> MC: It sounds like we should reach out to this person outside the bug process, but we don't want to track this.
16:10:47 <Zakim> -Léonie_Watson
16:10:48 <Zakim> -Hans_Hillen
16:10:48 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
16:10:49 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML_TF)11:00AM has ended
16:10:51 <Zakim> Attendees were Michael_Cooper, Hans_Hillen, Léonie_Watson, Joshue_O_Connor
16:19:41 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
16:19:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/06-a11y-bugs-minutes.html MichaelC
16:21:59 <MichaelC> rrsagent, bye
16:21:59 <RRSAgent> I see no action items