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16:00:37 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
16:00:37 <trackbot> Date: 01 September 2011
16:00:40 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
16:00:44 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
16:00:48 <Zakim> +Mike
16:01:59 <Zakim> +dsinger
16:02:01 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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16:02:14 <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft] has adrianba, krisk
16:02:14 <Zakim> +adrianba, krisk; got it
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16:02:29 <adrianba> ScribeNick: adrianba
16:02:29 <dsinger_> zakim, mute dsinger
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16:02:34 <adrianba> Scribe: Adrian Bateman
16:02:37 <adrianba> Chair: Sam Ruby
16:02:46 <adrianba> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2011JulSep/0015.html
16:02:48 <pimpbot> Title: HTML WG telecon 2011-09-01: Issue progress, Task Force reports from Sam Ruby on 2011-08-31 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from July to September 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
16:02:50 <Zakim> + +1.206.850.aabb
16:03:08 <eliot> zakim, +1.206.850.aabb is me
16:03:08 <Zakim> +eliot; got it
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16:04:23 <rubys> zakim, aacc is me
16:04:23 <Zakim> +rubys; got it
16:04:41 <adrianba> TOPIC: ACTION items due by Thursday, September 1
16:04:48 <adrianba> rubys: there are none
16:04:53 <adrianba> TOPIC: New Issues This Week
16:05:02 <Zakim> + +1.251.280.aadd
16:05:03 <adrianba> rubys: we have several
16:05:07 <adrianba> ISSUE-170?
16:05:07 <trackbot> ISSUE-170 -- make URIs valid link relations -- raised
16:05:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/170
16:05:08 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-170: make URIs valid link relations - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:05:15 <adrianba> ISSUE-171?
16:05:15 <trackbot> ISSUE-171 -- URI-s generated for microdata attribute values -- raised
16:05:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/171
16:05:16 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-171: URI-s generated for microdata attribute values - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:05:20 <Julian> Zakim, +1.251.280.aadd is me
16:05:20 <Zakim> +Julian; got it
16:05:28 <adrianba> ISSUE-172?
16:05:29 <trackbot> ISSUE-172 -- restore <rb> as an optional element -- raised
16:05:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/172
16:05:30 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-172: restore as an optional element - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:05:40 <adrianba> ISSUE-173?
16:05:40 <trackbot> ISSUE-173 -- Split AppCache out -- raised
16:05:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/173
16:05:41 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-173: Split AppCache out - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:05:50 <adrianba> ISSUE-174?
16:05:50 <trackbot> ISSUE-174 -- potential conflict between Link: and <link> semantics -- raised
16:05:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/174
16:05:51 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-174: potential conflict between Link: and semantics - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:05:52 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13995] Don't check Content-Type for <track> <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0031.html>
16:06:16 <adrianba> rubys: we'll see what discussion of these generates and then start scheduling them for calls for proposals
16:06:35 <adrianba> ... we also have one tracker request that is awaiting a title and text - once those are provided we'll open and issue
16:06:43 <adrianba> s/and issue/an issue/
16:06:52 <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closed Last Week
16:07:00 <adrianba> ISSUE-165?
16:07:00 <trackbot> ISSUE-165 -- Drop rel=pingback -- open
16:07:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/165
16:07:02 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-165: Drop rel=pingback - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:07:14 <adrianba> rubys: declared that we have consensus - awaiting the editor to make the change
16:07:23 <adrianba> ISSUE-153?
16:07:23 <trackbot> ISSUE-153 -- link type "external" either not useful or underspecified -- closed
16:07:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/153
16:07:24 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-153: link type "external" either not useful or underspecified - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:07:28 <adrianba> ISSUE-154?
16:07:28 <trackbot> ISSUE-154 -- "sidebar" might not be a proper use of a link relation -- closed
16:07:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/154
16:07:30 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-154: "sidebar" might not be a proper use of a link relation - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:07:33 <Zakim> -dsinger
16:07:41 <adrianba> rubys: both of these have been updated by the editor and marked closed
16:07:48 <Zakim> -Mike
16:07:55 <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closing This Week
16:08:00 <adrianba> ISSUE-166?
16:08:00 <trackbot> ISSUE-166 -- text/html-sandboxed does not always fail closed -- open
16:08:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/166
16:08:01 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-166: text/html-sandboxed does not always fail closed - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:08:03 <Zakim> +dsinger
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16:08:25 <adrianba> rubys: call for counter proposal actually closed yesterday - not seen counter proposals so looks likely we'll go to call for consensus
16:08:35 <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closing Next Week
16:08:42 <adrianba> rubys: none
16:08:48 <adrianba> TOPIC: New Calls this week
16:08:54 <adrianba> rubys: again none
16:09:01 <adrianba> TOPIC: New Surveys this week
16:09:04 <adrianba> rubys: none
16:09:08 <adrianba> TOPIC: Decisions this week
16:09:11 <adrianba> rubys: none
16:09:39 <adrianba> TOPIC: Task Force Reports - Testing Task Force
16:09:51 <krisk> Notes ->http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2011Sep/0000.html
16:09:52 <pimpbot> Title: RE: HTML Testing Task Force Conf Call Agenda 8/23/2011 from Kris Krueger on 2011-09-01 (public-html-testsuite@w3.org from September 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
16:09:52 <adrianba> krisk: we met as a group last week as planned - meet again next week
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16:10:04 <adrianba> ... the group had agreement to remove 4 attribute tests
16:10:11 <adrianba> bug 13767?
16:10:12 <pimpbot> 11http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13767 Ms2ger, P2, RESOLVED FIXED, 13Invalid video tests
16:10:14 <Zakim> +Laura_Carlson
16:10:38 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
16:10:38 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
16:10:38 <adrianba> krisk: there was further discussion from Mozilla about wanting to use httpd.js
16:10:39 <Zakim> +Mike
16:11:07 <adrianba> ... some async script tests submitted using php - working really well - thanks to the systems team for making that work
16:11:22 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
16:11:22 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
16:11:23 <adrianba> ... some discussion around not using the harness for sandbox tests
16:11:23 <Zakim> +Mike.a
16:11:35 <adrianba> ... because they can't run script - the group agreed to this
16:11:44 <adrianba> ... that's it
16:12:02 <adrianba> TOPIC: Task Force Reports - Accessibility Task Force
16:12:09 <Zakim> -Mike
16:12:12 <adrianba> rubys: janina gave her regrets
16:12:22 <adrianba> MikeSmith: janina is away today - not much to report
16:12:32 <adrianba> ... some smaller scale participation over the last couple of calls
16:12:33 <Julian> q+ to ask about http://blog.whatwg.org/weekly-rich-text-editing
16:12:34 <pimpbot> Title: The WHATWG Blog — WHATWG Weekly: Rich-Text Editing on the Web (at blog.whatwg.org)
16:12:48 <adrianba> ... the biggest amount of work we have to resolve is around text alternatives
16:13:12 <adrianba> ... we have a subteam in the TF discussing this but we haven't reached a point where we have something to come back with or anything for the WG to take action on
16:13:25 <adrianba> ... the canvas work, rich is still actively pursuing
16:13:34 <adrianba> ... we had a discussion on the call today about this
16:13:47 <adrianba> ... at some point soon rich will be coming back on that soon
16:14:18 <adrianba> ... he's waiting for hixie to respond on one of the issues - couldn't tell if there was an open bug to raise the priority on
16:14:45 <adrianba> ... rich expressed some frustration about lack of response - i'll see if there is a bug and check with rich on how we want to prioritise this issue/bug
16:14:53 <adrianba> ... that's it so far for now
16:15:01 <adrianba> rubys: agree with what you said about the bug
16:15:10 <adrianba> MikeSmith: okay, i'll follow-up with rich
16:15:31 <adrianba> TOPIC: Other Business
16:16:05 <adrianba> julian: this an interesting variant on the discussions we have about adding things without prior discussion
16:16:26 <adrianba> ... in this case text being removed from the spec and moved to a non-w3c spec
16:16:29 <Zakim> +Plh
16:16:39 <adrianba> rubys: were there bug reports that caused the text to be removed?
16:16:45 <adrianba> julian: not sure
16:16:51 <adrianba> rubys: in the past there have been
16:17:12 <adrianba> MikeSmith: i don't know about multiple cases but there was an open bug about the editing work
16:17:27 <adrianba> ... if this is about something else i don't know but for editing there was a bug
16:17:39 <adrianba> rubys: if there is a bug i consider that a working group discussion
16:17:56 <adrianba> ... if you see cases where there wasn't a bug please feel free to document them and raise a bug
16:18:14 <adrianba> plh: wondering if there is any status on the html.next discussion
16:18:29 <adrianba> rubys: no, i don't think there is any update at the moment
16:18:34 <adrianba> plh: okay
16:18:52 <adrianba> TOPIC: Scribe for next meeting
16:18:58 <adrianba> rubys: volunteers?
16:19:22 <adrianba> ... maciej will be on his own next week - paul and i will be on vacation
16:19:27 <adrianba> plh: i will be away too
16:19:28 <hober> I can scribe
16:19:41 <Zakim> -hober
16:19:46 <adrianba> rubys: we do have a volunteer
16:19:55 <Zakim> -Julian
16:20:33 <adrianba> TOPIC: Adjournment
16:20:39 <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
16:20:43 <Zakim> -Mike.a
16:20:44 <Laura> Laura has left #html-wg
16:20:46 <Zakim> -Plh
16:20:49 <adrianba> rubys: with that, we're adjourned - see you in a couple of weeks
16:20:51 <Zakim> -eliot
16:20:54 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
16:20:56 <Zakim> - +1.619.518.aaaa
16:21:01 <Zakim> -dsinger
16:21:03 <Zakim> -Laura_Carlson
16:21:13 <Zakim> -rubys
16:21:14 <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
16:21:16 <Zakim> Attendees were hober, Radhika_Roy, Mike, dsinger, adrianba, krisk, +1.619.518.aaaa, eliot, +1.919.247.aacc, rubys, Julian, Laura_Carlson, Mike.a, Plh
16:21:28 <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
16:21:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/01-html-wg-minutes.html adrianba
16:21:34 <adrianba> rrsagent, make logs public
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18:06:25 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13999] New: DOMTokenList (e.g., element.classList): allow to add/remove multiple tokens at once <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0032.html>
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19:36:47 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14000] New: I think that 4.5.10 example should have a title attribut on the <abbr> tag to give the expanded form of the abbreviation, otherwise the <abbr> tag should be left off. how about... <dd><i class="part-of-speech"><abbr title="intransitive verb">v.intr.</abbr <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0033.html>
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21:07:06 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13999] DOMTokenList (e.g., element.classList): allow to add/remove multiple tokens at once <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0034.html> 4** [Bug 13999] DOMTokenList (e.g., element.classList): allow to add/remove multiple tokens at once <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0035.html>
21:37:13 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14001] New: 1) Please add a radiusY to the path arc command(s) so it is easier to create ellipse shapes and elliptical arcs. It would be very nice if the Canvas path supported a similar API to that for creating SVG paths via JavaScript so shapes could be exchanged <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0038.html> 4** [Bug 13999] DOMTokenList (e.g., element.classList): allow to add/remove multiple tokens at once 
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22:37:27 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14002] New: Allow DT to be after DD if there is only one DT/DD pair in DL <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0039.html>
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