13:56:42 RRSAgent has joined #gld 13:56:42 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/09/01-gld-irc 13:57:02 boris has joined #gld 13:57:20 martinAlvarez has joined #gld 13:57:54 zakim what conferences do you see? 13:58:23 zakim list 13:58:26 BenediktKaempgen has joined #gld 13:59:36 Yigal has joined #gld 13:59:55 hi all 14:00:00 TinaGheen has joined #gld 14:00:06 gatemezi has joined #gld 14:00:57 zakim, who is speaking? 14:00:57 sorry, olyerickson, I don't know what conference this is 14:01:23 cygri_ has joined #gld 14:01:42 nope, no SIP connection to IRC 14:01:46 Zakim, this will be GLD 14:01:46 rreck has joined #gld 14:01:53 ok, mhausenblas, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started 14:02:05 Thanks Michael 14:02:19 +mhausenblas 14:02:24 ah there it is 14:02:25 Zakim, cygri is with me 14:02:29 +cygri; got it 14:02:38 Zakim, who is speaking? 14:02:48 -??P27 14:02:51 HadleyBeeman has joined #gld 14:02:53 olyerickson, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P24 (11%), mhausenblas (70%) 14:03:12 +??P27 14:03:21 +??P58 14:03:28 Zakim, ??P27 is BartvanLeeuwen 14:03:28 +BartvanLeeuwen; got it 14:03:32 + +1.218.296.aadd 14:03:36 zakim, ??p58 is me 14:03:36 +martinAlvarez; got it 14:03:52 +hadleybeeman 14:04:01 zakim, +1.218.296.aadd is me 14:04:01 +rreck; got it 14:04:15 +Sandro 14:04:27 Hi everyone... 14:04:33 zakim, ??P24 is me 14:04:33 +Yigal; got it 14:04:33 sandro: did you get the log i sent of last week's meeting? 14:05:02 zakim, who is here? 14:05:02 On the phone I see +1.202.566.aaaa, davidwood, Yigal, +49.721.aabb, ??P28, +1.703.292.aacc, mhausenblas, BartvanLeeuwen, martinAlvarez, rreck, hadleybeeman, Sandro 14:05:05 mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri 14:05:17 Zakim, aacc is me 14:05:17 +TinaGheen; got it 14:05:38 zakim davidwood is me 14:05:41 zakim, aabb is bkaempgen 14:05:41 +bkaempgen; got it 14:05:56 Zakim, mhausenblas is with me 14:05:56 sorry, boris, I do not recognize a party named 'boris' 14:06:09 cgueret_home has joined #gld 14:06:15 Zakim, boris is with me 14:06:15 +boris; got it 14:06:20 thanks Michael 14:06:31 hi everyone 14:06:35 Zakim, aaaa is MikePendleton 14:06:35 +MikePendleton; got it 14:06:38 zakim, +1.202.566.aaaa is MIkePendleton 14:06:38 sorry, HadleyBeeman, I do not recognize a party named '+1.202.566.aaaa' 14:06:46 zakim, who is here? 14:06:46 On the phone I see MikePendleton, davidwood, Yigal, bkaempgen, ??P28, TinaGheen, mhausenblas, BartvanLeeuwen, martinAlvarez, rreck, hadleybeeman, Sandro 14:06:50 mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri, boris 14:06:52 annew has joined #gld 14:06:57 Zakim, ??P28 is olyerickson 14:06:57 +olyerickson; got it 14:07:07 zakim, aabb is BenediktKaempgen 14:07:07 sorry, BenediktKaempgen, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb' 14:07:11 +Cory 14:07:38 zakim, bkaempgen is BenediktKaempgen 14:07:38 +BenediktKaempgen; got it 14:07:55 scribe: cygri 14:08:28 +??P68 14:08:57 I just joined the call 14:09:05 zakim, who is noisy? 14:09:16 cygri, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds 14:09:18 :) 14:09:29 Christophe Gueret 14:09:35 Zakim, mite cgueret_home 14:09:35 I don't understand 'mite cgueret_home', mhausenblas 14:09:39 Zakim, mute cgueret_home 14:09:39 sorry, mhausenblas, I do not know which phone connection belongs to cgueret_home 14:09:52 zakim, who is here? 14:09:52 On the phone I see MikePendleton, davidwood, Yigal, BenediktKaempgen, olyerickson, TinaGheen, mhausenblas, BartvanLeeuwen, martinAlvarez, rreck, hadleybeeman, Sandro, Cory, ??P68 14:09:52 zakim, ??P68 is cgueret_home 14:09:55 mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri, boris 14:09:56 +cgueret_home; got it 14:10:06 zakim, mute cgueret_home 14:10:06 cgueret_home should now be muted 14:10:21 agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.09.01 14:10:31 zakim, unmute cgueret_home 14:10:31 cgueret_home should no longer be muted 14:10:45 q+ 14:10:54 + +1.202.691.aaee 14:10:55 bhyland: we have some new members and official invited experts 14:11:07 ... please introduce yourself 14:11:24 q? 14:11:26 q? 14:11:30 q? 14:11:30 q? 14:11:30 @bhyland it's ok I have access to the wiki etc 14:11:38 ... and make sure you're on the mailing list and can edit the wiki 14:11:42 bhyland, all works for me since this week 14:12:07 ack cgueret_home 14:12:10 q? 14:12:11 cgueret_home: Christophe Gueret at VUA 14:12:16 LATC 14:12:17 ... work in the LATC project 14:12:20 latc-project.eu 14:12:21 + +1.703.913.aaff 14:12:27 q? 14:12:46 Cory has joined #GLD 14:13:28 daniel: DOD ... interested in best practices 14:13:39 +??P39 14:13:55 Welcome Christophe!! 14:14:21 thanks :) 14:14:27 bhyland: we have a balance of research folks and government folks in the group 14:14:54 ... if you have use cases etc, you're encouraged to present them 14:15:24 ... this is a very pragmatic working group ... we will develop some specifications but also best practices 14:16:05 ... feel free to form breakout groups, write emails and cc the list, develop discussion on the wiki 14:16:26 ... now that we're off the ground and have WG mechanics in place 14:16:52 q? 14:17:24 ... there's a poll for next F2F 14:17:47 I need to verify travel ;) 14:17:58 http://www.doodle.com/3qhtb2n5umr5s434 14:18:06 what about the minutes of our previous meeting? 14:18:11 ... please fill out if you haven't yet 14:18:24 I sent a log to Sandro 14:18:53 ... minutes from last week's minutes didn't get captured, we need to reconstruct them from christophe's irc log 14:18:58 +q 14:19:08 topic: Community Directory 14:19:44 -mhausenblas 14:20:05 uhm, bhyland, we dropped for some reason 14:20:15 Will do. 14:20:26 ComDir.. @bhyland.. I had some questions that I send them to you 14:20:39 +mhausenblas 14:20:49 Zakim, cygri is with me 14:20:49 +cygri; got it 14:20:59 Zakim, boris is with me 14:20:59 +boris; got it 14:21:07 + +1.757.604.aagg 14:21:51 ComDir: we need to see what next after having access to 3roudstones platform.. 14:22:23 BartvanLeeuwen: Discussed practitioners of LD in Netherlands. Some is documented (in Dutch) re: use of standard vocabs and Bart is looking for place to integrate this info. Looking for entry point within EU. 14:22:27 http://standaarden.overheid.nl/owms/4.0/doc/ 14:22:33 q+ 14:22:39 q- 14:23:18 ack me 14:23:22 q- mhausenblas 14:23:28 q? 14:23:41 bhyland: how do you deal with specifications/documents etc that are not in english, in w3c? 14:24:48 mhausenblas: when you bring together people from different backgrounds, the rest follows 14:25:01 ... of course people want documents in their own language 14:25:11 mhausenblas: RE: Discussed issues of publishing info in other languages than English. People want info in their own language. SMEs and Web Developers need this. We don't have a really good solution, but safe bet to say that if people get together solutions seem to emerge. 14:25:46 bhyland: bart, can your colleague come to a F2F meeting? 14:25:51 scribenick: cygri 14:25:59 ack cygri 14:26:09 BartvanLeeuwen: not sure. he's very active in dublin core and eGovernment 14:26:41 But I suppose that a small summary of documents in other languages that English could be necessary.. 14:26:57 ... there are various overlapping activities around definition of vocabularies 14:27:07 ... how to avoid duplicate work? 14:27:41 bhyland: question of publishing in multiple languages is critical 14:27:52 BartvanLeeuwen: will take it to the mailing list 14:28:04 Note that I don't think internationalization is completely disconnected from the work of this group 14:28:12 bhyland: i'll check if callimachus can handle content in multiple languages 14:28:25 +1 to querying directory info (that's my point) 14:28:30 Can we learn anything from the semantic web interest group? They must've had to deal with internationalisation and multiple languages. 14:28:58 bhyland: a few questions have been raised regarding the community directory 14:29:07 q+ 14:29:25 ... email me to get a login 14:29:33 q? 14:29:34 GeraldSteeman has joined #gld 14:29:37 ack Yigal 14:29:41 q+ 14:30:06 Yigal: i'm uncertain about the form it should take exactly. but i'll try to add some things 14:30:18 bhyland: what portion do you want to help with? 14:30:54 Yigal: research funding. describe in detail what attributes, categories of sources, tpyes of funding are available 14:31:07 bhyland: can you describe why this is important? 14:31:54 Yigal: academics get funding from government agencies. it's important for people to understand what's involved in getting such funding 14:32:22 bhyland: (anecdote on AI winter and semantic web) 14:32:43 DruidSmith has joined #gld 14:33:03 + +1.202.566.aahh 14:33:26 RDF isn't a standard, it's a recommendation ;) 14:33:39 DruidSmith_ has joined #gld 14:34:04 q? 14:34:21 topic: Data Cube 14:34:38 Benedikt: (reports on data cube breakout last week) 14:35:02 ... goal: recommend how to publish governmental statistical data 14:35:07 http://wiki.planet-data.eu/web/Datasets 14:35:12 ... sdmx might be too expressive 14:35:24 ... what exactly is needed, is still not entirely clear 14:35:41 ... john sheridan reported on how they specialized data cube for COINS 14:36:09 ... the specialization makes it easier to talk about financial data 14:36:18 ... as opposed to statistical concepts (dimensions etc) 14:36:27 RFC? 14:36:35 ... unfortunately, data is not available with dereferenceable URIs, only zip files 14:36:54 ... another topic: how should statistical data be consumed? 14:36:55 @annew RFC = request for comment 14:36:55 JohnS noted that DataCube more suited to "aggregate" data 14:37:24 ... another topic: what's missing from the vocabulary 14:37:42 ... perhaps: can descriptions of different datasets be combined? 14:37:43 q+ 14:38:01 q? 14:38:13 q- BenediktKaempgen 14:38:21 q- cygri 14:40:01 q? 14:40:02 cygri: (you can announce that datasets can be combined by re-using code lists, concepts etc) 14:40:22 benedikt: yes, but publishers tend not to do that. we have to find out why 14:41:15 q? 14:41:18 @bhyland are you looking for e.g. JohnS's use cases? 14:41:25 topic: Procurement 14:41:43 thanks mhausenblas. RFC is a way to gather multiple perspectives /comments . 14:41:55 bhyland: is anyone here who can contribute to the discussion here? 14:42:47 and for clarity IETF is Internet Engineering Task Force 14:42:49 ... last week we had ??? from the provenance WG 14:43:15 topic: Provenance 14:43:33 yes 14:43:40 no.. 14:43:45 sorry.. 14:44:29 olyerickson: i can help making the right connections regarding provenance 14:44:57 Stephen Cresswell (UK TSO) 14:45:22 ACTION: olyerickson to connect with steven chresswell regarding provenance 14:45:23 Created ACTION-5 - Connect with steven chresswell regarding provenance [on John Erickson - due 2011-09-08]. 14:45:43 topic: DNS Subdomain discussion 14:46:10 you definitely have permission 14:46:33 bhyland: mike pendleton is with us. preparing to release several datasets 14:46:33 Zakim, gatemezi maybe Ghislain Atemezing 14:46:33 I don't understand 'gatemezi maybe Ghislain Atemezing', gatemezi 14:46:56 ... looking for direction on identifiers 14:48:08 ... we discussed having opendata..gov 14:48:19 +q 14:48:29 ... experiences, anyone? 14:48:34 +q 14:48:37 q? 14:48:52 annew: what is the goal of a subdomain here? 14:49:28 bhyland: we want to make rdf available for the epa. what shall we tell their sysadmin? 14:49:28 q+ 14:49:34 ack annew 14:49:48 i.e. facilities.epa.gov/... and substances.epa.gov/.. and so on 14:50:21 annew: are you trying to encourage a convention so that everyone knows where to find the open data? 14:50:25 versus opendata.epa.gov/facilities and opendata.epa.gov/substances (simplified examples) 14:50:30 bhyland: it would be nice if there was consistency 14:50:39 q+ 14:50:46 q? 14:50:52 -1 to e.g. "rdf.fooagency.gov" 14:51:15 BartvanLeeuwen: why do you say “open” and not just “data”? 14:51:18 q? 14:51:20 q? 14:51:24 q- 14:51:26 q? 14:51:31 ack cygri 14:51:32 q- BartvanLeeuwen 14:51:46 s/replace/replaced 14:51:48 +1 to "data.fooagency.gov" 14:51:59 +1 data.agency.gov 14:52:27 +1 data.. 14:52:32 it's analogous to efforts like "data.rpi.edu" "data.soton.edu" (or whatever) 14:52:42 +??P2 14:52:45 cygri: data.. is a common pattern. mirrors www.. 14:52:47 ack HadleyBeeman 14:52:58 Isn't GT using data.health.gov ? 14:53:02 +1 for opendata.fooagency.gov 14:53:27 -1 to "opendata..." 14:53:36 A big thanks from EPA for all this sage advice 14:53:41 +1 to "opendata".. 14:53:51 -Sandro 14:53:54 topic: Announcements 14:53:57 q+ 14:53:58 q? 14:54:13 q+ 14:54:23 +1 olyerickson way tedious 14:54:33 +1 to data.fooagency.gov 14:54:33 mhausenblas: we have journal special issue in IEEE Intelligent Systems 14:54:35 ack me 14:54:36 http://www.computer.org/portal/web/computingnow/iscfp2 14:54:48 for me it is to make clear that we are dealing with data that are OPEN.. 14:54:49 ... submissions due in three weeks 14:55:34 bhyland: is this all about new research, or also about best practices? 14:56:33 mhausenblas: looking for real-world experiences, but some relation to a research challenge should be present in the submission 14:56:39 q? 14:56:49 @mhausenblas: I encourage you to research out to the Ontoprise guys who I heard speak yesterday on work they are doing in enterprise hospital care, HR, hydro-power project using sem tech. 14:57:08 q- 14:57:10 q? 14:57:15 write another edition 14:57:28 bhyland: ontoprise guys do very interesting stuff, i wish they had submitted a chapter to the LGD book 14:57:36 ... open gov camp in warsaw 14:57:39 q+ 14:57:42 ... we are invited to organize a track there 14:57:58 q+ 14:58:12 q? 14:58:37 London opengov data camp was really nice last year 14:58:40 q? 14:58:42 ack GeraldSteeman 14:58:50 *Hadley - thanks, I'll definitely take you up on that! 14:58:51 q+ 14:59:02 GeraldSteeman: nov 3rd, NASA will host a meeting ... 14:59:09 ack GeraldSteeman 14:59:16 ack cygri 14:59:19 ... would bhyland or george be available to speak there? 14:59:27 q- 14:59:30 ... 14 agencies will be there, good opportunity 14:59:33 q- 14:59:40 +1 for George or Bernadette speaking to CENDI 15:00:13 olyerickson: the eGov Interest Group is restarted, calls were paused but are on now again 15:00:27 olyerickson I was there too 15:00:28 +1 CENDI is an important group to expose to open linked data 15:00:32 (yep, this group is an spin-off of that group, the eGov IG) 15:00:34 Coming up on Sept 15th, GLD WG meeting will have Bernard Vatant from Mondeca as guest speaking on VoaF. 15:00:37 q+ 15:00:38 ... i seem to be the olny one from this group on that call 15:00:53 Anne is an invited expert on egov interest group but missed first call 15:01:15 q- 15:01:31 In general they 9am on the third tuesday of the month. 15:01:38 q? 15:01:43 (boston time) 15:02:04 ack HadleyBeeman 15:02:46 +1 Hadley's comments on staying connected 15:02:52 HadleyBeeman: there's lots of overlap in interest between both groups so we need strong connections 15:02:57 * @annew thanks for recommending we reach out to CENDI. * 15:02:57 Great meeting bern! 15:03:05 bhyland: adjourned 15:03:06 thanks 15:03:08 Thanks, bhyland! 15:03:11 its an hour long? 15:03:12 thx ! see you next week 15:03:12 thanks 15:03:14 cheers! 15:03:15 bye 15:03:17 bye 15:03:19 thanks! 15:03:20 RRSAgent, make minutes public 15:03:20 I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', cygri. Try /msg RRSAgent help 15:03:21 thanks all. 15:03:22 Yigal has left #gld 15:03:28 martinAlvarez has left #gld 15:03:33 RRSAgent, make logs public 15:03:38 thanks RRSAgent 15:04:00 thanks @cygri for scribing.. 15:04:14 -Yigal 15:04:17 - +1.202.691.aaee 15:04:18 -mhausenblas 15:04:20 - +1.202.566.aahh 15:04:24 - +1.703.913.aaff 15:04:24 *cygri, I invited rrsagent before the meeting (per the W3C instructions I was looking out … then some follow on discussion that wasn't what should happen. Hope it is OK * 15:04:26 - +1.757.604.aagg 15:04:28 -BenediktKaempgen 15:04:30 -davidwood 15:04:32 -BartvanLeeuwen 15:04:34 -??P39 15:04:36 -Cory 15:04:38 -olyerickson 15:04:40 -TinaGheen 15:04:42 -martinAlvarez 15:04:42 bhyland, it's looking good 15:04:44 -Sandro 15:05:06 -cgueret_home 15:05:07 cygri, thanks for saving me for scribe misery 15:05:08 -rreck 15:05:18 -hadleybeeman 15:05:45 cygri, Zakim still thinks davidwood is me … (we look sooo similar too) 15:06:01 bhyland, lol 15:06:31 and scribing gets easier after a couple of times … 15:07:53 oh I love to scribe in general, it is getting it started & stopped that has caused me anguish. I felt really badly when I realized too late that prev mtg wasn't captured and my IRC logs were overwritten when I rebooted my client for that day …. sigh. 15:08:08 anyway, thanks. 15:13:30 olyerickson has left #gld 15:14:26 BenediktKaempgen has left #gld 15:17:07 bhyland, sry had to run right to the next meeting :-/ 15:35:00 disconnecting the lone participant, MikePendleton, in T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM 15:35:05 T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has ended 15:35:07 Attendees were +1.202.566.aaaa, davidwood, +49.721.aabb, +1.703.292.aacc, mhausenblas, cygri, BartvanLeeuwen, martinAlvarez, hadleybeeman, rreck, Sandro, Yigal, TinaGheen, boris, 15:35:11 ... 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