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15:02:12 <Zakim> +??P18
15:02:26 <kaz> zakim, ??P18 is Clarke
15:02:36 <Zakim> + +1.415.867.aaaa
15:02:42 <Zakim> +??P29
15:02:48 <Zakim> +??P33
15:02:54 <Zakim> +Clarke; got it
15:03:08 <kaz> zakim, ??P33 is Aizu(?)
15:03:13 <igarashi> igarashi has joined #webtv
15:03:27 <Zakim> +??P37
15:03:41 <Zakim> +Aizu(?); got it
15:03:53 <Zakim> +Joseph_Scheuhammer
15:03:54 <kaz> zakim, ??P37 is Russel
15:04:42 <kaz> zakim, ??P37 is Bob(?)
15:04:44 <Zakim> +Russel; got it
15:04:53 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
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15:05:18 <Zakim> +??P4
15:05:21 <Zakim> +??P32
15:05:35 <kaz> zakim, ??P4 is Giuseppe
15:06:12 <kaz> zakim, ??P32 is Steven
15:06:14 <Zakim> I already had ??P37 as Russel, kaz
15:06:19 <Russell_Berkoff> +Present,Russell_Berkoff
15:06:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, Juhani, davidmays, JanL, Clarke, +1.415.867.aaaa, ??P29, Aizu(?), Russel, Joseph_Scheuhammer, ??P4, ??P32
15:06:42 <kaz> zakim, ??P33 is Bob
15:06:48 <Zakim> +Giuseppe; got it
15:06:50 <Zakim> + +1.404.499.aabb
15:07:10 <Zakim> +Steven; got it
15:07:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see Russell_Berkoff, giuseppe, igarashi, RRSAgent, davidmays, aizu, sGondo, Clarke, JanL, Bob, Juhani, duncanr, kaz, Zakim, trackbot
15:07:33 <kaz> Duncan_Rowden, Steven_Wright
15:07:35 <Zakim> I already had ??P33 as Aizu(?), kaz
15:07:44 <kaz> bob_lund
15:08:05 <kaz> mark_watson
15:08:41 <Zakim> +??P42
15:08:51 <aizu> zakim, ??P42 is me
15:08:54 <Zakim> +aizu; got it
15:09:06 <kaz> zakim, aizu(?) is gondo
15:09:08 <Zakim> +gondo; got it
15:09:16 <Clarke> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/Agenda_Telco_25th_August_2011
15:09:33 <kaz> topic: f2f
15:09:50 <kaz> clarke: anything to add?
15:10:13 <kaz> ... comments on the ML is welcome
15:10:18 <kaz> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2011Aug/0135.html
15:10:37 <kaz> topic: issue review
15:10:51 <kaz> clarke: any questions?
15:10:54 <kaz> (nop)
15:11:01 <kaz> issue-44?
15:11:01 <trackbot> ISSUE-44 -- Continuous Streaming by Continuous Playlist -- raised
15:11:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/44
15:11:18 <Clarke> issue 44: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Continuous_Streaming_2'
15:12:09 <Zakim> +Mark
15:12:21 <kaz> -> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Continuous_Streaming_2 issue 44
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15:12:36 <kaz> clarke: any comments?
15:12:45 <kaz> Mark Vickers joined
15:13:11 <kaz> clarke: 44 is playlist
15:14:15 <kaz> action: clarke to change the title of issue-44 from "continuous streaming 2" to "playlist"
15:14:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-73 - Change the title of issue-44 from "continuous streaming 2" to "playlist" [on Clarke Stevens - due 2011-09-01].
15:14:52 <kaz> bob: live streaming is supported by HTML5
15:15:39 <kaz> ... I'll add dependency
15:16:22 <kaz> issue-45?
15:16:22 <trackbot> ISSUE-45 -- Time Synchronization (continuous stream) -- raised
15:16:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/45
15:16:30 <kaz> clarke: time synchronization
15:17:14 <kaz> ... not sure a use case for MPTF
15:17:22 <kaz> -> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Time_Synchronization issue-45
15:17:35 <kaz> issue-46?
15:17:35 <trackbot> ISSUE-46 -- Program Boundary Identification in Continuous Streams -- raised
15:17:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/46
15:17:42 <kaz> clarke: program boundary
15:18:04 <kaz> -> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Program_Boundary issue-46
15:18:21 <kaz> clarke: comments/additions?
15:18:52 <kaz> bob: pointed out last week is timed text track mechanism
15:19:10 <kaz> clarke: will add a note
15:19:20 <kaz> ... any other comments?
15:19:22 <kaz> (nop)
15:19:33 <kaz> s/issue 44/issue-44/
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15:19:56 <kaz> issue-37?
15:19:56 <trackbot> ISSUE-37 -- View-Port support for Video Window -- raised
15:19:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/37
15:20:03 <Clarke> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/ViewPort-Support
15:20:12 <kaz> s/http/-> http/
15:20:24 <kaz> s/Support/Support issue-37/
15:20:27 <Zakim> +??P7
15:20:34 <kaz> clarke: are we ready to accept this?
15:21:11 <igarashi> zakim p7 is igarashi
15:21:21 <kaz> zakim, ??P7 is igarashi
15:21:21 <Zakim> +igarashi; got it
15:21:40 <kaz> clarke: couple ways for us to consider this
15:21:50 <kaz> ... suggest we go ahead and accept this
15:21:58 <kaz> ... any comments?
15:22:01 <kaz> (nop)
15:22:14 <kaz> RESOLUTION: accept issue-37
15:22:31 <kaz> issue-45?
15:22:31 <trackbot> ISSUE-45 -- Time Synchronization (continuous stream) -- raised
15:22:31 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/45
15:23:02 <Zakim> - +1.415.867.aaaa
15:23:25 <Zakim> + +1.415.867.aacc
15:23:53 <kaz> jan: would remove "This is not yet a real use case." :)
15:24:11 <kaz> -> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Time_Synchronization issue-45
15:24:24 <kaz> jan: not sure how to phrase this
15:24:58 <kaz> ... in a continuous stream what is the semantics of video tags
15:25:47 <kaz> ... text under bullet "1" is good description
15:26:05 <kaz> clarke: ok
15:26:27 <kaz> ... next is content protection (issue-39)
15:26:33 <kaz> issue-39?
15:26:33 <trackbot> ISSUE-39 -- TV Services and Media Transport Mapping -- raised
15:26:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/39
15:26:35 <Clarke> Issue: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/TV_services_transport_mapping
15:26:36 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-47 - Http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/TV_services_transport_mapping ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/47/edit .
15:27:00 <kaz> -> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/TV_services_transport_mapping issue-39
15:27:19 <kaz> bob: how UAs identify audio tracks
15:27:50 <kaz> ... type of media stream, e.g., MPEG2 TS, MPEG4 ISOBMFF, DASH
15:28:03 <kaz> ... DOM API specified
15:28:55 <kaz> ... the use case is in-band track types
15:29:27 <kaz> ... will update the use case
15:29:39 <kaz> clarke: topic for f2f
15:29:40 <Zakim> -Mark
15:29:56 <kaz> bob: will commit before the f2f
15:30:04 <kaz> clarke: any other comments?
15:30:08 <kaz> (nop)
15:30:13 <kaz> jan: 45 is updated
15:30:17 <Zakim> +Mark
15:30:27 <kaz> issue-40
15:30:29 <kaz> issue-40?
15:30:29 <trackbot> ISSUE-40 -- Content delivery in distribution windows -- raised
15:30:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/40
15:30:43 <kaz> -> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Delivery_in_distribution_windows issue-40
15:30:50 <kaz> bob: content protection discussion
15:30:58 <kaz> ... more objective space
15:31:38 <kaz> ... from Cable industry perspective, content owners are going to require for content protection
15:31:47 <kaz> ... delivery windows
15:32:04 <kaz> ... use case is commercial content delivery
15:32:36 <kaz> clarke: just on definition
15:32:54 <kaz> bob: traditional definition
15:33:22 <kaz> ... could be captured within some of the other my use cases
15:34:56 <kaz> jan: distribution window is DRM perspective
15:35:34 <kaz> bob: motivation here is content owner has demand
15:36:00 <kaz> clarke: a specific Web page linked to DRM?
15:36:23 <kaz> q+
15:36:46 <kaz> bob: number of implication I have to address
15:36:56 <kaz> ... how HTML5 UA should support this
15:37:16 <Zakim> -Juhani
15:37:31 <kaz> ... business/commercial need should be addressed
15:37:50 <Zakim> +??P21
15:38:39 <kaz> kaz: good topic for workshop as well
15:38:55 <kaz> clarke: bob submitted this topic to the workshp
15:39:02 <kaz> bob: my paper covers this
15:39:16 <Juhani> q+
15:39:28 <kaz> kaz: will talk with the PC guys and suggest we talk about this during the ws
15:39:31 <kaz> ack k
15:39:51 <kaz> ack j
15:40:11 <kaz> juhani: question about issue-40, etc.
15:40:16 <kaz> ... what to standardize?
15:40:41 <kaz> ... interested in common security technical requirement
15:40:52 <kaz> s/common/content/
15:41:14 <kaz> bob: will put that into the use case
15:41:26 <kaz> ... also mention what needs to be standardized
15:41:30 <kaz> juhani: ok
15:41:37 <kaz> issue-41?
15:41:37 <trackbot> ISSUE-41 -- Support of Content Owner Property Rights -- raised
15:41:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/41
15:41:49 <kaz> -> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Content_owner_rights issue-41
15:42:02 <kaz> bob: required by UltraViolet or DECE
15:42:18 <kaz> ... DECE has specific technical requirements
15:42:33 <kaz> ... consumer contents
15:42:48 <JanL> +q
15:42:52 <kaz> ... we'd like to cover DECE's requirements
15:43:21 <kaz> clarke: ok
15:43:28 <kaz> ack j
15:43:30 <JanL> -q
15:43:44 <kaz> jan: the link in the use case is broken
15:43:55 <kaz> ... "Common content security technical requirements."
15:44:08 <Zakim> -Mark
15:44:48 <kaz> igarashi: my assumption is HTML just render
15:45:09 <Clarke> Here's a link to the common content protection requirements: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Delivery_in_distribution_windows/Common_content_secuirty_requirements
15:45:20 <kaz> ... no consideration on this kind of offline processing?
15:45:26 <kaz> bob: good point
15:45:57 <kaz> ... the case of downloading content case
15:46:42 <kaz> ... streaming is most relevant for HTML5
15:46:51 <Zakim> - +1.415.867.aacc
15:47:15 <Zakim> + +1.415.867.aadd
15:47:26 <kaz> ... good observation to think about both streaming and downloading
15:47:33 <kaz> igarashi: good to see both the cases
15:47:43 <kaz> ... there are technical differences
15:47:46 <kaz> bob: agree
15:48:41 <kaz> clarke: the correct URL for the broken link of "Common content security technical requirements." is http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Delivery_in_distribution_windows/Common_content_secuirty_requirements
15:49:07 <kaz> issue-42?
15:49:07 <trackbot> ISSUE-42 -- Content delivery to personal computers -- raised
15:49:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/42
15:49:15 <kaz> -> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Delivery_to_pc issue-42
15:49:33 <Zakim> - +1.415.867.aadd
15:49:48 <kaz> bob: both aspects are important
15:49:58 <Zakim> + +1.415.867.aaee
15:50:01 <kaz> ... An off-the-shelf browser such as Chrome, Firefox, Internet Explorer, Opera or Safari.
15:50:10 <kaz> ... and An application incorporating a browser downloaded from a service provider.
15:50:13 <kaz> issue-43?
15:50:13 <trackbot> ISSUE-43 -- Content delivery to retail consumer electronics devices -- raised
15:50:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/43
15:50:28 <kaz> -> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Delivery_to_ce issue-43
15:50:50 <kaz> bob: retail consumer electronics device with an embedded application
15:51:01 <kaz> ... more specialized
15:51:03 <Clarke> zakim, who is making noise?
15:51:15 <Zakim> Clarke, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Russel (50%), Joseph_Scheuhammer (36%)
15:51:22 <kaz> zakim, mute Joseph
15:51:22 <Zakim> Joseph_Scheuhammer should now be muted
15:53:07 <Zakim> +Juhani
15:53:23 <kaz> bob: (explains motivation)
15:53:43 <kaz> zakim, who is speaking?
15:53:53 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Juhani (19%), davidmays (80%)
15:54:39 <kaz> davidmays: (sorry missed)
15:55:07 <kaz> bob: 1st one is general web delivery
15:55:30 <kaz> ... then content protection
15:55:38 <Zakim> -??P21
15:55:42 <kaz> ... content protection is good or bad
15:55:52 <davidmays> HTML5 UA should identify what content protection capabilities they have so that applications can present appropriate content based on that level of protection capability
15:56:21 <kaz> s/(sorry missed)/HTML5 UA should identify what content protection capabilities they have so that applications can present appropriate content based on that level of protection capability/
15:58:18 <kaz> giuseppe: what if browsers are not shipped with DRM capability?
15:59:18 <kaz> juhani: I'm for the requirements
15:59:26 <kaz> ... DRM support should be useful
15:59:49 <kaz> ... how to solve this problem should be defined
16:00:32 <kaz> bob: plugins can be used by UAs for that purpose
16:00:48 <kaz> ... however, there is a link
16:01:16 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
16:01:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, davidmays, JanL, Clarke, ??P29, gondo, Russel, Joseph_Scheuhammer (muted), Giuseppe, Steven, +1.404.499.aabb, aizu, igarashi, +1.415.867.aaee, Juhani
16:01:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see igarashi, mav, Russell_Berkoff, giuseppe, RRSAgent, aizu, sGondo, Clarke, Bob, duncanr, kaz, Zakim, trackbot
16:01:43 <giuseppe> kaz is mark watson
16:02:17 <kaz> giuseppe: plugin for DRM is wrong point to start...
16:02:32 <kaz> ... do you need fall-back mechanism?
16:03:01 <kaz> ... video element itself is not aware if plugins handle it
16:03:27 <kaz> bob: we use video element for content protection
16:03:41 <kaz> ... existing video tag provides the capability
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16:04:12 <kaz> giuseppe: video tag itself handles rendering, not necessarily aware of content protection
16:04:59 <kaz> jan: how do we recommend extending video tag's capability itself
16:05:04 <kaz> ... good topic for the workshop
16:05:57 <kaz> giuseppe: if you want to standardize, need to consider who does what
16:06:08 <Zakim> -davidmays
16:06:08 <Zakim> - +1.404.499.aabb
16:06:09 <Zakim> - +1.415.867.aaee
16:06:09 <Zakim> -Juhani
16:06:10 <Zakim> -aizu
16:06:10 <Zakim> -Clarke
16:06:11 <kaz> clarke: we'll continue the discussion next week
16:06:12 <Zakim> -Joseph_Scheuhammer
16:06:14 <Zakim> -JanL
16:06:15 <Clarke> thanks, kaz
16:06:18 <Zakim> -??P29
16:06:20 <Zakim> -gondo
16:06:22 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
16:06:24 <Zakim> -igarashi
16:06:25 <kaz> thanks, Clarke!
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16:06:29 <Clarke> -Clarke
16:06:31 <Russell_Berkoff> thanks
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16:06:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/08/25-webtv-minutes.html kaz
16:06:48 <Zakim> -Russel
16:06:52 <duncanr> duncanr has left #webtv
16:07:21 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
16:07:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see Giuseppe, Steven
16:07:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see mav, RRSAgent, Clarke, Bob, kaz, Zakim, trackbot
16:17:38 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
16:17:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see Giuseppe, Steven
16:17:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see mav, RRSAgent, Clarke, Bob, kaz, Zakim, trackbot
16:18:03 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-617
16:18:03 <Zakim> ok, kaz; the call is being made
16:18:05 <Zakim> +Kazuyuki
16:18:31 <kaz> zakim, drop Giuseppe
16:18:31 <Zakim> Giuseppe is being disconnected
16:18:33 <Zakim> -Giuseppe
16:18:38 <kaz> zakim, drop  Steven
16:18:38 <Zakim> Steven is being disconnected
16:18:40 <Zakim> -Steven
16:18:44 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
16:18:45 <Zakim> UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM has ended
16:18:46 <Zakim> Attendees were Kazuyuki, Juhani, davidmays, JanL, +1.415.867.aaaa, Clarke, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Russel, Giuseppe, +1.404.499.aabb, Steven, aizu, gondo, Mark, igarashi,
16:18:48 <Zakim> ... +1.415.867.aacc, +1.415.867.aadd, +1.415.867.aaee
16:18:48 <kaz> Present: Kazuyuki, davidmays JanL, Clarke, Bob, gondo, Russell, duncanr, Giuseppe, Steven, Mark_Vickers, aizu, igarashi, Mark_Watson, Juhani
16:18:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/08/25-webtv-minutes.html kaz
16:19:19 <kaz> Meeting: Media Pipeline Task Force Teleconference
16:19:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/08/25-webtv-minutes.html kaz
16:19:35 <kaz> Chair: Clarke
16:19:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/08/25-webtv-minutes.html kaz
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