LLD XG -- 25 Aug 2011

<emma> Previous: 2011-08-18 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/18-lld-minutes.html

<dvilasuero> thanks antoine

I guess it's my turn to scribe

I'm ok, i think

<antoine> Scribe: Gordon

<antoine> Scribenick: GordonD

ADMIN

Resolved: To accept minutes of previous meeting

<antoine> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/2011Aug/0030.html

<scribe> ACTION: Tom to post an announcement to the list that comment period has ended [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/18-lld-minutes.html#action03] [DONE]

<antoine> ACTION: Tom to post an announcement to the list that comment period has ended [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/18-lld-minutes.html#action03] [DONE]

<antoine> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/AcknowledgementsDatasetDeliverable

Antoine: We added acknowledgements to reviewers and CKAN curators

Tom: William was a CKAN curator, too

<antoine> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/AcknowledgementsUseCaseDeliverable

Antoine: List of contributors to use-case deliverable (deliverable B) is quite long.

<Zakim> tbaker, you wanted to propose

Tom: Propose to put the list into acknowledgements.

Karen: What is key are the names of those who contributed the use cases.
... No need to have specific members of the group mentioned, as everyone did some work.

<emma> +1 for listing cluster editors

<tbaker> +1

<jeff_> +1

<dvilasuero> +1

<emma> +1

<rsinger> +1

<kcoyle> +1

Antoine: So we have an acknowledgement section, and then the individual contributions

RESOLUTION: To have Daniel as editor, and an acknowledgements section that lists the use case editors and individual contributors.

<antoine> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/AcknowledgementsMainDeliverable

Antoine: For deliverable A (main deliverable), do we acknowledge just the editors, or all members of the group?

Emma: Does this include group members who have carried out reviews?

Antoine: Should include all significant contributions.

<Zakim> tbaker, you wanted to propose that we list contributors in Acknowledgements

<pmurray> +1 for at end and in paragraph form

Karen: Acknowledgments shouldn't break up text; should go in a separate section.

<rsinger> +1 here too

<rsinger> otherwise it's like a musical, where the audience claps after every number

<tbaker> +1 to post draft acknowledgements to list before finalizing

<michaelp> +1 for a paragraph at the end, like the Provenance XG final report did: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/XGR-prov-20101214/

Karen: Need to ensure we acknowledge everyone who warrants it.

<michaelp> Don't we have to stick with W3C format, where editors are on top?

Tom: Preference is to follow Provenance XG style: list editors, then a separate acknowledgments section somewhere (not necessarily at end), whatever W3C indicates.

<dvilasuero> +1

Antoine: We are probably ok with either editors listed at top of report, or included with other group members in acknowledgments.

<kcoyle> I don't feel strongly one way or the other

<marcia> +1

<rsinger> yeah, i can't say i care that much

<emma> I dont mind either ;-)

<jeff_> I don't have an opinion

<Zakim> emma, you wanted to suggest we look at this when the report is in definitive form

Tom: Usual for editors to be given; we should list all those actively involved.

<tbaker> +1

<jeff_> +1

Antoine: We should ask for advice from W3C colleagues; default is long list of editors.

<emma> +1

<kcoyle> +1

<dvilasuero> +1

<marcia> +1

<michaelp> +1

<scribe> ACTION: Chair to solicit feedback from W3C contacts regarding the editor list issue. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/25-lld-minutes.html#action03]

<antoine> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Aug/0041.html

<tbaker> +1 to keep the summary as one block

<kcoyle> +1

<jeff_> +1

Emma: Exec summary is short enough to be in just one part, with no internal divisions.

<Zakim> tbaker, you wanted to propose that we give copy editors latitude to make improvements

<rsinger> +1

<rsinger> no objection

<kcoyle> and we need to fix capitalization, etc.

<jeff_> +1

<michaelp> +1 to give copy editors latitude to smooth things

<marcia> +1

<antoine> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ExecutiveSummary

<scribe> ACTION: Karen, Tom, Michael, and Gordon to write the executive summary [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html#action05] [DONE]

<antoine> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Aug/0087.html

<scribe> ACTION: Karen and Emma to write a sentence in Scope adding cultural and memory institutions together in some way [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action03] [DONE]

<tbaker> +1 looks good

<antoine> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Aug/0088.html

<scribe> ACTION: Ross to propose sentence in Benefits about sum being more than the parts [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/18-lld-minutes.html#action07] [DONE]

<tbaker> +1 ross, nice result!

<kcoyle> and very good, thanks ross!

<emma> Ross++

<rsinger> no, thanks karen and tom

<jeff_> +1

<rsinger> very good improvements

<michaelp> +1

Daniel: Most of Emma's comments on use cases have been actioned.

<dvilasuero> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseReport#Bibliographic_data

<emma> the table looks good !

<pmurray> This is good. I like the higher-level overview.

<marcia> Very good table and overview

Daniel: Deliverable will close tomorrow, so last chance for further comments.

<kcoyle> looks good

<emma> +1 for tables and finishing the deliverable tomorrow

Daniel: Table approach will be extended to all clusters.

<kcoyle> it may be different when html'd

<kcoyle> we could do it as two columns

<kcoyle> two sets of columns

Antoine: Table may be too long.

<pmurray> This structure looks fine to me. I think it is a clear overview.

Tom: Clarify: there is one table per cluster, and the example is the longest.

Antoine: Just realized HTML version will benefit from numbering of sections.

<jneubert> +1 to numbering

<dvilasuero> +1 to numbering

<pmurray> Yeah, we can adjust the numbering in the static HTML version.

<Zakim> tbaker, you wanted to point out that References need to be deleted and replaced

Tom: Wiki reference links need to be replaced with URLs.

<scribe> ACTION: Emma to review Use Cases and make comments [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action07] [DONE]

<tbaker> thanks for the great work, Daniel!

Daniel: Thank you to Emmanuelle for the very helpful comments.

<dvilasuero> thanks everyone

Antoine: And thanks to Daniel.

<scribe> ACTION: Chairs, Karen, Peter to migrate wiki content to HTML after wiki content is frozen on 25 August call [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/18-lld-minutes.html#action16]

<antoine> zakimn, ack tbaker

<scribe> --Continues

<Zakim> tbaker, you wanted to point out that Jodi is part of that team now too

<pmurray> Sounds good.

Tom: We can continue to use Zakim in the Thursday slot; suggest report converters use this for discussion.
... I will take lead for this activity.

<scribe> ACTION: Chairs to prepare press release with W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/18-lld-minutes.html#action17]

<scribe> --Continues

Emma: Can use format generally used in previous W3C press releases.

<Zakim> tbaker, you wanted to address the issue of application profiles - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Aug/0134.html

Tom: References to application profiles in the report are somewhat confused, and should be clarified.
... a substantial change; proposed in email.

Jeff: Is there a better term to use instead of application profile?

<Zakim> tbaker, you wanted to say I don't think the problem is with the term "application profile"

<marcia> Tom's comments at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Aug/0134.html

Tom: The problem is that the concept is not related to alignments (where it is currently referenced), but it is related closely to re-use of elements.

<michaelp> +1 to Tom's explanation

<jeff_> +1

Antoine: I will send some comments on the proposals via email immediately after this call, and allow an additional day of discussion.

<kcoyle> +1

Antoine: No objections to proposal to rename Linking issues section.

<marcia> fine either way

Jeff: No objection.

<tbaker> "Semantic interoperability of vocabularies"?

Michael: "Interoperability" better than "Alignment"?

Antoine: Will ensure alignment is appropriately defined in the report.

<marcia> yes, we need another day to clear this up

<Zakim> tbaker, you wanted to suggest we need a day to clear this up too...

Antoine: Various tasks to complete, but nothing significant.

TRANSITION TO W3C COMMUNITY GROUP

Antoine: Little new to report; no strong leadership at this moment.

<pmurray> We may want to see reaction to the report before seeing if there is a desire for a community group.

CLOSE INCUBATOR GROUP AND HAND OVER TO PUBLICATION EDITORS

Antoine: This was the final official telecon. We will continue over the next few weeks to finish off the report.

<kcoyle> applause

<emma> one last comment : thank you everyone !!!!

Antoine: Fantastic work has been done; thank you everyone.

<dvilasuero> thank you very much everyone!!!

<marcia> A great team and a great year. Thanks the leaders and thank you everyone!!!

<emma> great time working with you all

<jeff_> Thanks to everyone, especially the chairs!

<tbaker> Thank you everyone!!

<pmurray> Great to see the conclusion. I think this will be a landmark report.

Antoine: I hope we keep in touch ...

<rsinger> yes, definitely - thanks so much chairs and everyone

<michaelp> Great thanks to the chairs for shepherding the group!

<tbaker> I think we're done!

<rsinger> thanks!

<marcia> Keep in touch! bye

<jeff_> Bye!

<jneubert> Thank all of you, and especially to the people working on the final steps

<dvilasuero> bye!!

I'm still here

<scribe> ACTION: Tom and Antoine to draft acknowledgements. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/18-lld-minutes.html#action06] [DONE]

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LLD XG

25 Aug 2011

Attendees

Contents

ADMIN

TRANSITION TO W3C COMMUNITY GROUP

CLOSE INCUBATOR GROUP AND HAND OVER TO PUBLICATION EDITORS

Summary of Action Items

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