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12:15:17 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3794
12:15:17 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 15 minutes
12:15:19 <trackbot> Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
12:15:19 <trackbot> Date: 24 August 2011
12:20:09 <shadi> agenda+ Welcome
12:20:20 <shadi> agenda+ Continue processing comments
12:20:39 <shadi> agenda+ Upcoming meeting schedule
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12:29:58 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
12:30:05 <Zakim> +??P2
12:30:13 <shadi> zakim, ? is me
12:30:13 <Zakim> +shadi; got it
12:30:27 <Zakim> +??P3
12:30:51 <shadi> zakim, ? is philipA
12:30:51 <Zakim> +philipA; got it
12:31:52 <shadi> regrets: CarlosV
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12:32:04 <Zakim> + +30231125aaaa
12:32:18 <shadi> zakim, aaaa is Kostas
12:32:18 <Zakim> +Kostas; got it
12:36:17 <shadi> regrets: CarlosV, Christophe
12:37:05 <shadi> zakim, take up next
12:37:05 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome" taken up [from shadi]
12:37:14 <shadi> scribe: shadi
12:37:27 <shadi> SAZ: not critical mass today
12:38:28 <shadi> ...choppy meetings in August due to regrets and conflict on my side
12:38:33 <shadi> zakim, take up next
12:38:33 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Continue processing comments" taken up [from shadi]
12:38:46 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0018.html
12:42:05 <shadi> scribe: kostas 
12:42:53 <kostas> philip:maybe it is good to include some information about Fail
12:43:30 <kostas> kostas:more clarifications could be ok especially regarding the high lever requirements
12:44:26 <kostas> shadi:regarding the clarity of the defintion regarding the two classes it is fine
12:45:14 <kostas> shadi:add some kind of logic (justification) and reflex the logic
12:46:52 <kostas> shadi:clarify the requirements a litle bit that EARL is describing the outcomes of evaluation rather than describe the logic
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12:48:40 <kostas> RESOLUTION: Consider clarifying the definition for the TestCriterion subclasses
12:49:45 <kostas> RESOLUTION: The Test Case logic to justify the results is outside the scope of EARL
12:49:56 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0019.html
12:52:54 <shadi> zakim, code?
12:52:54 <Zakim> the conference code is 3794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), shadi
12:54:04 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-EARL10-Schema-20110510/#TestResult
12:54:52 <kostas> shadi: there is a distiction between earl?:info (additonal information such as warnings) and dct (actual result in human readable form)
12:57:51 <kostas> philipA: should keep it as it is
12:59:13 <kostas> shadi: we need outcome and results in order to give more added value in the descirption of the EARL
13:01:11 <kostas> RESOLUTION: Changing the EARL model in the proposed way would EARL for instance in cases when outcome value is not applicable
13:01:28 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0020.html
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13:03:15 <kostas> shadi: we will fix the EARL guide section
13:04:19 <shadi> regrets: CarlosV, Christophe, Samuel, Emmanuelle
13:04:24 <kostas> RESOLUTION: The conformace requirements reflects the latest division of the group and the other section of the EARL guide will be updated accordingly
13:04:41 <shadi> s/division/decision
13:04:54 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0021.html
13:07:05 <kostas> philipA: no semantic meaning for the outcome "passed"
13:09:19 <kostas> RESOLUTION: Literal doesn;t add semantic meaning and is more difficult to process 
13:09:25 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0022.html
13:12:05 <kostas> philipA: location is relevant to the test result and not to the test subject 
13:14:13 <kostas> shadi: we have to improve the owrding
13:14:16 <kostas> wording
13:14:44 <Zakim> +??P5
13:15:05 <shadi> zakim, ? is Samuel
13:15:05 <Zakim> +Samuel; got it
13:15:10 <kostas> philipA: the pointer is more associated with the result than the object
13:16:16 <kostas> RESOLUTION: The pointer is more related to the test result than to the test object
13:16:28 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0023.html
13:18:58 <kostas> shadi: a usually practice tha instances have lowercase
13:19:36 <kostas> shadi: will check it
13:19:55 <shadi> action: shadi to double-check lowercase vs all uppercase for instances
13:19:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-130 - Double-check lowercase vs all uppercase for instances [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2011-08-31].
13:22:18 <kostas> i cannot here you
13:22:32 <Zakim> -Kostas
13:23:10 <shadi> RESOLUTION: (for issue #2) we do not separate between classes and instances just by casing
13:23:17 <kostas> i am trying to connect agian
13:23:19 <kostas> again
13:23:22 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-EARL10-Schema-20110510/#terms-instances
13:23:34 <Zakim> +Kostas
13:26:55 <shadi> earl:passed -- Label = "Pass", Comment = "the class of outcomes to denote passing a test", Title = "Passed", Description = "..."
13:29:14 <kostas> shadi: maybe we have to rewrite the label and the comment - the label will be the title and the comment the description
13:30:53 <shadi> action: shadi to double-check the conventions for overwriting rdfs:label and rdfs:comment in instances of classes
13:30:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-131 - Double-check the conventions for overwriting rdfs:label and rdfs:comment in instances of classes [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2011-08-31].
13:31:16 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:31:16 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Upcoming meeting schedule" taken up [from shadi]
13:31:56 <Zakim> -Kostas
13:32:01 <Zakim> -Samuel
13:32:05 <Zakim> -philipA
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13:32:26 <shadi> next meeting: Wednesday 31 August
13:32:32 <Zakim> -shadi
13:32:33 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
13:32:34 <Zakim> Attendees were shadi, philipA, +30231125aaaa, Kostas, Samuel
13:32:48 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
13:32:48 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
13:32:48 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
13:32:49 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
13:32:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/08/24-er-minutes.html trackbot
13:32:50 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
13:32:50 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/24-er-actions.rdf :
13:32:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: shadi to double-check lowercase vs all uppercase for instances [1]
13:32:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/24-er-irc#T13-19-55
13:32:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: shadi to double-check the conventions for overwriting rdfs:label and rdfs:comment in instances of classes [2]
13:32:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/24-er-irc#T13-30-53
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