IRC log of er on 2011-08-24
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/08/24-er-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be 3794
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- ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 15 minutes
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- Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 24 August 2011
- 12:20:09 [shadi]
- agenda+ Welcome
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- agenda+ Continue processing comments
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- agenda+ Upcoming meeting schedule
- 12:24:41 [philipA]
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- WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
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- +??P2
- 12:30:13 [shadi]
- zakim, ? is me
- 12:30:13 [Zakim]
- +shadi; got it
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- +??P3
- 12:30:51 [shadi]
- zakim, ? is philipA
- 12:30:51 [Zakim]
- +philipA; got it
- 12:31:52 [shadi]
- regrets: CarlosV
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- + +30231125aaaa
- 12:32:18 [shadi]
- zakim, aaaa is Kostas
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- +Kostas; got it
- 12:36:17 [shadi]
- regrets: CarlosV, Christophe
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- zakim, take up next
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- agendum 1. "Welcome" taken up [from shadi]
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- scribe: shadi
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- SAZ: not critical mass today
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- ...choppy meetings in August due to regrets and conflict on my side
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- zakim, take up next
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- agendum 2. "Continue processing comments" taken up [from shadi]
- 12:38:46 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0018.html
- 12:42:05 [shadi]
- scribe: kostas
- 12:42:53 [kostas]
- philip:maybe it is good to include some information about Fail
- 12:43:30 [kostas]
- kostas:more clarifications could be ok especially regarding the high lever requirements
- 12:44:26 [kostas]
- shadi:regarding the clarity of the defintion regarding the two classes it is fine
- 12:45:14 [kostas]
- shadi:add some kind of logic (justification) and reflex the logic
- 12:46:52 [kostas]
- shadi:clarify the requirements a litle bit that EARL is describing the outcomes of evaluation rather than describe the logic
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- 12:48:40 [kostas]
- RESOLUTION: Consider clarifying the definition for the TestCriterion subclasses
- 12:49:45 [kostas]
- RESOLUTION: The Test Case logic to justify the results is outside the scope of EARL
- 12:49:56 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0019.html
- 12:52:54 [shadi]
- zakim, code?
- 12:52:54 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 3794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), shadi
- 12:54:04 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-EARL10-Schema-20110510/#TestResult
- 12:54:52 [kostas]
- shadi: there is a distiction between earl?:info (additonal information such as warnings) and dct (actual result in human readable form)
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- philipA: should keep it as it is
- 12:59:13 [kostas]
- shadi: we need outcome and results in order to give more added value in the descirption of the EARL
- 13:01:11 [kostas]
- RESOLUTION: Changing the EARL model in the proposed way would EARL for instance in cases when outcome value is not applicable
- 13:01:28 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0020.html
- 13:02:33 [sinarmaya]
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- 13:03:15 [kostas]
- shadi: we will fix the EARL guide section
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- regrets: CarlosV, Christophe, Samuel, Emmanuelle
- 13:04:24 [kostas]
- RESOLUTION: The conformace requirements reflects the latest division of the group and the other section of the EARL guide will be updated accordingly
- 13:04:41 [shadi]
- s/division/decision
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0021.html
- 13:07:05 [kostas]
- philipA: no semantic meaning for the outcome "passed"
- 13:09:19 [kostas]
- RESOLUTION: Literal doesn;t add semantic meaning and is more difficult to process
- 13:09:25 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0022.html
- 13:12:05 [kostas]
- philipA: location is relevant to the test result and not to the test subject
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- shadi: we have to improve the owrding
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- wording
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- +??P5
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- zakim, ? is Samuel
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- +Samuel; got it
- 13:15:10 [kostas]
- philipA: the pointer is more associated with the result than the object
- 13:16:16 [kostas]
- RESOLUTION: The pointer is more related to the test result than to the test object
- 13:16:28 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0023.html
- 13:18:58 [kostas]
- shadi: a usually practice tha instances have lowercase
- 13:19:36 [kostas]
- shadi: will check it
- 13:19:55 [shadi]
- action: shadi to double-check lowercase vs all uppercase for instances
- 13:19:56 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-130 - Double-check lowercase vs all uppercase for instances [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2011-08-31].
- 13:22:18 [kostas]
- i cannot here you
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- -Kostas
- 13:23:10 [shadi]
- RESOLUTION: (for issue #2) we do not separate between classes and instances just by casing
- 13:23:17 [kostas]
- i am trying to connect agian
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- again
- 13:23:22 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-EARL10-Schema-20110510/#terms-instances
- 13:23:34 [Zakim]
- +Kostas
- 13:26:55 [shadi]
- earl:passed -- Label = "Pass", Comment = "the class of outcomes to denote passing a test", Title = "Passed", Description = "..."
- 13:29:14 [kostas]
- shadi: maybe we have to rewrite the label and the comment - the label will be the title and the comment the description
- 13:30:53 [shadi]
- action: shadi to double-check the conventions for overwriting rdfs:label and rdfs:comment in instances of classes
- 13:30:53 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-131 - Double-check the conventions for overwriting rdfs:label and rdfs:comment in instances of classes [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2011-08-31].
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- zakim, take up next
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- agendum 3. "Upcoming meeting schedule" taken up [from shadi]
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- -Kostas
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- -Samuel
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- -philipA
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- 13:32:26 [shadi]
- next meeting: Wednesday 31 August
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- -shadi
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- WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
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- Attendees were shadi, philipA, +30231125aaaa, Kostas, Samuel
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- trackbot, end meeting
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- Zakim, list attendees
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- sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/08/24-er-minutes.html trackbot
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- RRSAgent, bye
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- I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/24-er-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: shadi to double-check lowercase vs all uppercase for instances [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/24-er-irc#T13-19-55
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- ACTION: shadi to double-check the conventions for overwriting rdfs:label and rdfs:comment in instances of classes [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/24-er-irc#T13-30-53
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