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13:18:05 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
13:18:05 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 42 minutes
13:18:06 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
13:18:06 <trackbot> Date: 24 August 2011
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13:55:02 <fjh> Regrets+ Wonsuk_Lee
13:55:42 <fjh> Chair: Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
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13:55:50 <fjh> Present+ Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
13:56:01 <AnssiK> Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
13:56:18 <ernesto_jimenez> Present+ Ernesto_Jimenez
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13:56:59 <AnssiK> zakim, +??P1 is me
13:56:59 <Zakim> sorry, AnssiK, I do not recognize a party named '+??P1'
13:57:09 <AnssiK> zakim, ??P1 is me
13:57:09 <Zakim> +AnssiK; got it
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13:57:14 <fjh_> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Aug/0045.html
13:57:17 <Dzung_Tran> Present+ Dzung_Tran
13:57:53 <ernesto_jimenez> zakim, aaaa is me
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13:59:21 <fjh_> zakim, ?? is me
13:59:21 <Zakim> +fjh_; got it
13:59:35 <fjh_> zakim, who is here?
13:59:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see ernesto_jimenez, AnssiK, fjh_
13:59:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see Cathy, Dzung_Tran, fjh_, AnssiK, ernesto_jimenez, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, dcoloma, darobin, wmaslowski_, richt, dom, ingmar, ilkka, trackbot, lgombos
14:00:15 <dom> Zakim, code?
14:00:15 <Zakim> the conference code is 3279 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), dom
14:00:44 <Zakim> +Dom
14:00:45 <dom> Present+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux
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14:01:28 <Cathy> Present+ Cathy_Chan
14:01:41 <Kihong_Kwon> Present+ Kihong_Kwon
14:02:16 <Zakim> + +1.425.214.aabb
14:02:25 <Zakim> +??P11
14:02:34 <darobin> Zakim, ??P11 is me
14:02:34 <Zakim> +darobin; got it
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14:02:56 <Zakim> -fjh_
14:03:06 <Zakim> + +1.289.261.aacc
14:03:10 <bryan_sullivan> Present+ Bryan_Sullivan
14:03:15 <bryan_sullivan> Bryan
14:03:18 <Zakim> -ernesto_jimenez
14:03:20 <dom> Zakim, aabb is bryan_sullivan
14:03:20 <Zakim> +bryan_sullivan; got it
14:03:28 <Zakim> +??P0
14:03:30 <fjh_> zakim, ?? is me
14:03:30 <Zakim> +fjh_; got it
14:03:33 <Zakim> +richt
14:03:35 <fjh_> zakim, who is here?
14:03:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see AnssiK, Dom, bryan_sullivan, darobin, +1.289.261.aacc, fjh_, richt
14:03:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see bryan_sullivan, Kihong_Kwon, Cathy, Dzung_Tran, fjh_, AnssiK, ernesto_jimenez, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, dcoloma, darobin, wmaslowski_, richt, dom, ingmar, ilkka,
14:03:39 <Zakim> ... trackbot, lgombos
14:03:42 <richt> Present+ Rich_Tibbett
14:03:59 <Zakim> +ernesto_jimenez
14:04:40 <dom> Zakim, aacc is josh
14:04:40 <Zakim> +josh; got it
14:05:03 <fjh_> Present+ Josh_Soref
14:05:39 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:05:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see AnssiK, Dom, bryan_sullivan, darobin, josh, fjh_, richt, ernesto_jimenez
14:05:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see bryan_sullivan, Kihong_Kwon, Cathy, Dzung_Tran, fjh, AnssiK, ernesto_jimenez, fh, Zakim, RRSAgent, dcoloma, darobin, wmaslowski_, richt, dom, ingmar, ilkka, trackbot,
14:05:44 <Zakim> ... lgombos
14:06:43 <fjh> ScribeNick: richt
14:06:48 <fjh> Topic: Administrative
14:07:23 <richt> fjh: Announcement on creation of the AR community interest group
14:07:29 <dom> Zakim, mute richt
14:07:29 <Zakim> richt should now be muted
14:07:35 <richt> fjh: ....on the mailing list
14:07:50 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Aug/0037.html
14:07:59 <dom> Zakim, who's noisy?
14:08:09 <Zakim> dom, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: fjh_ (9%), Dom (9%), darobin (15%)
14:08:11 <fjh> also http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Aug/0040.html
14:08:27 <Zakim> -darobin
14:08:37 <richt> fjh: ongoing discussion with the relationship between WebRTC/DAP. Agenda item on todays call.
14:08:47 <richt> fjh: Mozilla WebAPI announced on the list
14:08:52 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Aug/0051.html
14:09:06 <richt> fjh: Any other announcements?
14:09:11 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:09:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see AnssiK, Dom, bryan_sullivan, josh, fjh_, richt (muted), ernesto_jimenez
14:09:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see bryan_sullivan, Kihong_Kwon, Cathy, Dzung_Tran, fjh, AnssiK, ernesto_jimenez, fh, Zakim, RRSAgent, dcoloma, wmaslowski_, richt, dom, ingmar, ilkka, trackbot, lgombos
14:09:16 <richt> <no announcements>
14:09:42 <richt> Topic: Minutes Approval
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14:10:00 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Aug/att-0026/minutes-2011-08-17.html
14:10:06 <fjh> proposed RESOLUTION: Minutes from 17 August 2011  are approved
14:10:07 <darobin> Zakim, ??P15 is me
14:10:07 <Zakim> +darobin; got it
14:10:14 <richt> RESOLUTION: Minutes from 17 August 2011  are approved
14:10:25 <richt> Topic: New DAP Charter
14:10:29 <fjh>  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Aug/0042.html 
14:10:35 <richt> fjh: New charter announced. Dom sent out email to list.
14:11:10 <fjh> http://www.w3.org/2011/07/DeviceAPICharter.html
14:11:12 <richt> zakim, unmute me
14:11:12 <Zakim> richt should no longer be muted
14:11:38 <richt> dom: Other potential participants want to have seperate mailing lists for different topics
14:11:52 <richt> dom: We've also added Device Discovery in the charter. This might grow to more than DAP can manage...
14:12:08 <richt> dom: depending on how that goes we might create a seperate working group to tackle that.
14:12:18 <richt> dom: in the mean time DAP will work on this topic.
14:12:42 <richt> dom: Second part: since there are new deliverables all the participants need to rejoin the group.
14:12:58 <dom> http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/43696/join
14:13:06 <richt> dom: Please make sure your AC representative goes through that process for you. In 40 days you will otherwise be automatically removed from the list.
14:13:24 <richt> dom: Officially we are now the "Device APIs Working Group".
14:13:49 <dom> https://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/43696/status
14:13:57 <dom> https://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=43696
14:14:12 <richt> dom: link above shows who has rejoined the group to date.
14:14:55 <richt> Topic: Roadmap
14:14:58 <dom> if you're on that page, https://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/43696/discrepancies you need to take action
14:15:20 <fjh> Topic: Roadmap
14:15:22 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Aug/0032.html
14:15:31 <richt> darobin: do we need to maintain list between priority list and the others?
14:16:08 <richt> dom: does the separation between prio/non-prio make sense
14:16:13 <richt> fjh: I think it seems helpful
14:16:30 <AnssiK> [the last updated is an indication of priority]
14:16:37 <richt> darobin: priorities may be flexible.
14:16:52 <richt> fjh: we can adjust as we go.
14:17:05 <AnssiK> darobin: cannot it be automated?
14:17:24 <AnssiK> dom: or make it dynamic even!
14:17:40 <richt> ACTION Frederick to update the home page with priority/work-on specs.
14:17:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-447 - Update the home page with priority/work-on specs. [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2011-08-31].
14:18:08 <dom> AnssiK, it's partly automated already (i.e. it gets updated each time someone makes a commit to an editors draft)
14:18:10 <richt> Topic: WebRTC / DAP relationship
14:18:33 <richt> fjh: Some discussion on WebRTC list on the relationship of that group with DAP.
14:18:36 <AnssiK> dom, that's cool!
14:18:54 <richt> fjh: ...wondering whether we should discontinue the Media Capture API specification
14:19:17 <richt> dom: One thing that is confusing is our stance on the Media Capture API.
14:20:04 <richt> dom: ...from the WebRTC chairs I understand that an API like the Media Capture API
14:20:07 <bryan_sullivan> q+
14:20:13 <richt> dom: ...we had a prototype from Microsoft on this API.
14:20:35 <richt> dom: ...so there's still interest but we don't have any active editors on it right now.
14:20:44 <richt> dom: ...we do need to clarify our plans for that spec.
14:20:55 <richt> dom: ...and whether WebRTC should pick it up
14:20:59 <darobin> q?
14:21:16 <darobin> ack bryan_sullivan 
14:21:45 <darobin> [yes, it's an update to that previous discussion]
14:21:54 <darobin> [or a continuation]
14:22:11 <richt> I sent an email in June discussing the work of DAP to the WebRTC mailing list
14:22:13 <richt> q+
14:22:40 <richt> dom: this is a coordination issue
14:22:43 <Zakim> -ernesto_jimenez
14:23:11 <Zakim> +ernesto_jimenez
14:23:15 <richt> fjh: so we need a discussion on the list to see where we go with this. 
14:23:29 <richt> bryan_sullivan: Does WebRTC consider a capture API within their scope?
14:23:39 <richt> dom:they have more difficult things to deal with.
14:24:00 <fjh> ack richt
14:25:03 <fjh> DAP WG needs to determine how it plans to progress Media Capture (or not)
14:25:46 <fjh> richt mentions some of this is covered by a WHATWG proposal
14:26:05 <richt> dom: I think it's possible to use WebRTC to do the media capture api but it comes with its own problems.
14:26:19 <richt> dom: e.g. you need to grant access to stream even if it's just taking a picture
14:26:32 <richt> dom: ...it's also more costly on device resources
14:27:02 <darobin> [you'll get really crap quality compared to a real sensor used properly too]
14:27:34 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:27:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see darobin, ernesto_jimenez, AnssiK, Dom, bryan_sullivan, josh, fjh_, richt
14:27:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see darobin, bryan_sullivan, Kihong_Kwon, Dzung_Tran, fjh, AnssiK, ernesto_jimenez, fh, Zakim, RRSAgent, dcoloma, wmaslowski_, richt, dom, ingmar, ilkka, trackbot, lgombos
14:28:08 <richt> richt: Is this about opening the native controls?
14:28:14 <richt> dom: yes, it could be used like that.
14:28:36 <richt> dom: I'll send an email to the DAP list to see if we can clarify this further.
14:28:46 <AnssiK> for the record, here's MS's proposal to extend Capture API: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2011Mar/att-0001/microsoft-api-draft-final.html#capture_api_extensions
14:28:46 <richt> dom: ...whether anyone wants to take editorial ownership.
14:28:51 <richt> Topic: Battery API
14:29:02 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Aug/0030.html
14:29:13 <AnssiK> q+
14:29:17 <richt> fjh: Anssi made some changes recently. 
14:29:23 <AnssiK> ack me
14:29:25 <darobin> ack AnssiK 
14:29:48 <AnssiK> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Aug/0030.html
14:29:49 <richt> AnssiK: I tried to incorporate all the changes discussed on the list
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14:30:21 <fjh> ISSUE-113?
14:30:22 <trackbot> ISSUE-113 -- AddEventListener in Battery Status has side effects -- open
14:30:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/113
14:30:47 <richt> <AnssiK goes through feedback email>
14:30:57 <fjh> see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Aug/0030.html
14:31:58 <richt> ISSUE-114?
14:31:58 <trackbot> ISSUE-114 -- Battery spec should note relative ordering of battery low versus battery critical in terms of criticality -- open
14:31:58 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/114
14:32:09 <richt> ISSUE-115?
14:32:09 <trackbot> ISSUE-115 -- Do you get the batterylow event when you're charging and cross that boundary? -- open
14:32:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/115
14:32:27 <dom> Zakim, mute me
14:32:27 <Zakim> Dom should now be muted
14:32:31 <fjh> see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Aug/0050.html
14:32:47 <richt> ACTION-426?
14:32:47 <trackbot> ACTION-426 -- Robin Berjon to draft the proposed design of getting rid of battery{low,critical} and adding a field that indicates state=ok/low/critical -- due 2011-07-26 -- OPEN
14:32:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/426
14:33:11 <AnssiK> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Aug/0056.html
14:35:37 <darobin> [scribe pauses while details from the email are being exposed]
14:35:51 <richt> AnssiK: Would like some review and know if everyone agrees with these changes / they address the concerns raised on the mailing list.
14:36:03 <fjh> All, please review specification and comment on list, or note agreement
14:36:03 <richt> AnssiK: Please go to the latest editors draft to view the changes.
14:36:11 <dom> +1 on great work!
14:36:12 <darobin> [I'll provide review; thanks a lot for the work]
14:36:13 <richt> AnssiK: We can always revert if there are objections
14:36:26 <richt> fjh: Thanks a lot for your work AnssiK
14:36:42 <richt> fjh: Not in a position to do anything on this call but we'll review on the list.
14:36:58 <richt> Topic: Feature Permissions
14:37:07 <richt> fjh: lgombos, you here?
14:37:09 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:37:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see darobin, ernesto_jimenez, AnssiK, Dom (muted), bryan_sullivan, josh, fjh_, richt
14:37:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see darobin, bryan_sullivan, Kihong_Kwon, Dzung_Tran, fjh, AnssiK, ernesto_jimenez, fh, Zakim, RRSAgent, dcoloma, wmaslowski_, richt, dom, ingmar, ilkka, trackbot, lgombos
14:37:24 <richt> fjh: lgombos is not here.
14:37:33 <fjh> ACTION-436?
14:37:33 <trackbot> ACTION-436 -- WonSuk Lee to provide an example for Permissions -- due 2011-07-27 -- OPEN
14:37:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/436
14:37:42 <fjh> close ACTION-436
14:37:43 <trackbot> ACTION-436 Provide an example for Permissions closed
14:37:51 <richt> Topic: Privacy Rulesets
14:38:00 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Aug/0036.html
14:38:00 <richt> fjh: took an action to review the issues and respond to them
14:38:00 <fjh> \
14:38:15 <richt> fjh: some of these issues really belong to the service provider not the UA
14:38:25 <richt> fjh: A couple of those issues could therefore be closed.
14:38:47 <richt> fjh: Some activity on other APIs e.g. Contacts. darobin, you want to discuss now or next call?
14:39:23 <richt> darobin: just catching up after vacation. maybe next call unless you have specific topics to bring up
14:40:34 <richt> fjh: let's regroup on other APIs next week
14:40:44 <dom> Zakim, unmute me
14:40:44 <Zakim> Dom should no longer be muted
14:41:18 <richt> fjh: Remember to remind your AC rep to add you back to the list.
14:41:23 <richt> Topic: AOB
14:41:31 <richt> fjh: Remember to remind your AC rep to add you back to the list.
14:41:43 <richt> fjh: Any other business?
14:41:48 <richt> <nope
14:41:52 <richt> <nope>
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14:42:18 <richt> dom: Do we want to touch on WebAPI in this call quickly?
14:42:29 <richt> fjh: Just that we want to look in to it more I guess
14:42:35 <darobin> [and B2G]
14:42:44 <richt> dom: Announcement from Mozilla that they will develop APIs to Device features.
14:42:57 <AnssiK> [do we have any Moz people in this WG yet?]
14:43:05 <richt> dom: We should know more about there plans for bringing this to W3C standardization in the coming days/weeks
14:43:13 <richt> dom: not much more to share on this right now though
14:43:35 <richt> fjh: would be good to have them join but no further information just yet.
14:44:00 <AnssiK> would be great to get them onboard
14:44:13 <richt> fjh: That's it for this week's call.
14:44:20 <Zakim> -bryan_sullivan
14:44:21 <AnssiK> s/would/darobin: would/
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14:44:37 <richt> fjh: Thank you.
14:44:42 <Zakim> -darobin
14:44:43 <Zakim> -AnssiK
14:44:43 <Zakim> -Dom
14:44:45 <Zakim> -fjh_
14:44:45 <Zakim> -josh
14:44:46 <Zakim> -ernesto_jimenez
14:44:48 <richt> Meeting adjourned
14:44:49 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:44:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/08/24-dap-minutes.html fjh
14:45:00 <Zakim> -richt
14:45:01 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended
14:45:03 <Zakim> Attendees were +44.778.611.aaaa, AnssiK, ernesto_jimenez, fjh_, Dom, +1.425.214.aabb, darobin, +1.289.261.aacc, bryan_sullivan, richt, josh
14:45:47 <richt> s/about there plans/about their plans 
14:46:02 <richt> s/<nope//
14:46:17 <richt> s/this week's call/this weeks call/
14:47:32 <richt> s/from the WebRTC chairs I understand that an API like the Media Capture API/from the WebRTC chairs I understand that an API like the Media Capture API would be of interest/
14:48:32 <richt> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:48:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/08/24-dap-minutes.html richt
14:49:24 <richt> s/<nope/<nope>/
14:49:34 <richt> s/<//
14:49:35 <richt> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:49:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/08/24-dap-minutes.html richt
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