13:54:32 RRSAgent has joined #lld 13:54:32 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/08/18-lld-irc 13:54:36 rrsagent, bookmark 13:54:36 See http://www.w3.org/2011/08/18-lld-irc#T13-54-36 13:54:44 zakim, this will be lld 13:54:44 ok, tbaker; I see INC_LLDXG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes 13:54:51 Meeting: LLD XG 13:54:54 Chair: Tom 13:55:08 rrsagent, please make record public 13:56:26 INC_LLDXG()10:00AM has now started 13:56:33 +??P4 13:56:52 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Aug/0065.html 13:57:07 Previous: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/11-lld-minutes.html 13:57:24 marcia has joined #lld 13:57:57 Regrets: Gordon, Jodi, Lars, Kai, Uldis 13:58:00 michaelp has joined #lld 13:58:11 +??P10 13:58:13 zakim, ??P4 is me 13:58:13 +tbaker; got it 13:58:14 +jeff_ 13:58:20 zakim, ??P10 is me 13:58:20 +antoine; got it 13:58:40 zakim, jeff is really michaelp 13:58:40 +michaelp; got it 13:58:57 yes 13:59:35 + +1.330.672.aaaa 13:59:45 zakim, aaaa is marcia 13:59:45 +marcia; got it 14:00:35 pmurray has joined #lld 14:00:38 +??P28 14:00:56 zakim, ??P28 is kcoyle 14:00:57 +kcoyle; got it 14:01:10 zakim, ??P28 is kcoyle 14:01:10 I already had ??P28 as kcoyle, antoine 14:01:44 + +1.678.235.aabb 14:01:51 zakim, aabb is me 14:01:51 +pmurray; got it 14:02:00 zakim, mute me 14:02:04 pmurray should now be muted 14:02:34 rrsagent, please draft minutes 14:02:34 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/08/18-lld-minutes.html antoine 14:03:29 regrets+ Jeff 14:04:34 Emma has joined #LLD 14:04:35 yes sure 14:06:02 scribe: michaelp 14:06:07 scribenick: michaelp 14:06:15 Topic: Admin 14:06:28 Tom: No objection to the minites? 14:06:36 ... Minutes accepted 14:07:03 ... Future telecons 14:07:17 rrsagent, please draft minutes 14:07:17 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/08/18-lld-minutes.html antoine 14:07:20 ... We can continue to use the telecon slot for coordinating the editing. 14:07:29 Topic: Public Comments 14:08:04 Tom: We had an action to keep track of comments 14:08:10 ACTION: Emma to keep track of comments through AUG. 11 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minutes.html#action03] 14:08:10 --DONE 14:08:22 ACTION: Jodi to make an alternative transclusion [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minutes.html#action04] 14:08:22 --DONE -- see http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportWithTransclusion 14:09:54 Tom: At some point, we have to stop taking major comments into consideration. 14:10:09 ... I think we need to close the action to watch for substantial comments. 14:10:35 ... However, we need somebody who is willing to watch the mailing list and blog. 14:10:53 ... This person should announce that we are transitioning to finalizing the report. 14:11:12 q+ 14:11:14 +1 for closing the action 14:11:24 ack kcoyle 14:11:52 Karen: Any comments that appear on the list become discussions on the list. No special reply needed. 14:12:11 -antoine 14:12:14 Tom: Should we post note to the list that comment period has ended? 14:12:30 Karen: Yes. 14:12:54 *+ 14:13:07 +??P10 14:13:13 Agree Karen 14:13:13 zakim, ??P10 is me 14:13:13 +antoine; got it 14:13:53 ACTION Tom to post an announcement to the list that comment period has ended 14:14:02 s/ACTION/ACTION:/ 14:14:03 ACTION: Editors of each section should watch for substantial comments to their section [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action06] 14:14:03 --DONE 14:14:15 +[LC] 14:14:15 ACTION: Tom to post an announcement to the list that comment period has ended 14:14:16 zakim, LC is edsu 14:14:16 +edsu; got it 14:14:40 Topic: Deliverables 14:15:11 yes to title - 14:15:25 Tom: We don't have a title for the report yet, but I would propose "Library Linked Data Incubator Group Final Report: W3C Incubator Group Report xx September 2011" 14:15:38 +1 to title: not exciting but explicit... 14:15:50 +1 14:16:10 ... We have to write acknowledgements first. 14:18:15 ... We should have brief discussions who to include from inside and outside the working group. 14:18:31 I think the chairs should do it 14:18:32 me is volunteering 14:18:41 ... Who is willing to take on an action to draft acknowledgements? 14:18:49 +1 for chairs 14:19:01 ACTION: Tom and Antoine to draft acknowledgements. 14:19:11 it would look like http://www.w3.org/TR/skos-primer/#secack, probably 14:19:18 listing editors seems pretty neutral 14:19:19 rsinger has joined #lld 14:19:30 together with a quite complete listing of editors and contributors from XG 14:19:36 maybe include also whoever were invited to our telecons 14:19:41 antoine, yes 14:20:19 @marcia: maybe we could ack people related to JISC who came and gave us some light 14:20:28 is the draft available yet? sorry if it has been announced and i just missed it 14:20:33 s/JISC/JISC and UKOLN 14:20:41 ... Main part of the report: Executive summary. We have to find a date next week to look at the sumamry together. 14:21:04 @edsu: the latest version is still at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportWithTransclusion 14:21:09 antoine: thnx 14:21:15 Karen: The group should feel free to edit before the call. 14:22:06 Tom: I volunteered to write an introductory paragraph. Still to be done. 14:22:36 +rsinger 14:22:51 better late than never, i guess 14:23:03 ugh 14:23:28 lol :) 14:23:35 q+ 14:23:38 ... We received comment on "Current situtation" we have to take into account 14:23:40 ack antoine 14:24:42 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportWithTransclusion#Data_availability 14:25:28 Antoine: Just wanted to check that general size and tone of new edits is fitting to the other parts in this section. 14:25:53 I sent comments this morning re: current situation, but I also offered to make the changes if the comments make sense to you guys. 14:26:18 Ross: Benefits section. Something was completely lost that was in the comments. 14:26:43 ... It is the stew that matters not the individual components for linked data. All has to come together. 14:26:57 ... This is not reflected in the section. 14:26:58 ross++ it is bad if we entirely lost the "stone stew" message 14:27:36 +1 for Ross' observation 14:27:37 maybe we just need a stone soup of some happy people eating stone soup :) 14:27:37 ACTION: Ross to propose sentence about sum being more than the parts 14:27:56 s/need a stone soupe/graphic/ 14:28:09 s/need a stone soup/graphic/ 14:28:16 just appendices is fine 14:28:35 Tom: Technical Appendix. How do we want to set this apart in the final version? 14:28:37 +1 14:28:37 edsu: or a very long footnote explaining how the stone does not refer explicitly to MARC, unless that's how you want to read it, etc. 14:28:44 edsu: VERY long footnote 14:28:49 ... How do we mark this as "technical"? 14:28:52 Just "appendix" 14:28:59 'Part II"? 14:29:11 +1 to "just appendix" 14:29:12 Michael: +1 to just call it "Appendix" 14:29:16 +1 for appendix 14:29:16 +1 Agreed. 14:29:34 will do 14:29:48 Tom: Ok, decided. 14:30:30 I think we answered all comments and suggestions, including from blog. 14:30:37 Antoine: We still have some outstanding comments for vocabs and datasets. 14:30:37 almost :-) 14:31:02 Tom: Deliverable B: Use Cases 14:31:13 q+ 14:31:21 ack antoine 14:31:36 ... Antoine: I would not object to Daniel being the sole editor. 14:31:52 q+ 14:31:54 ... But all contributors to the cluster should be listed. 14:32:09 ... A lot of work went into these pages. 14:33:18 Tom: Maybe Antoine and I could make a proposal how to handle the naming of contributors for the use cases? 14:33:42 Antoine: Overlap with general contributors will be quite large. 14:34:23 Tom: We can also ask Daniel and Jodi. 14:35:01 I think so 14:35:02 ... Deliverable C: Title and editors OK? 14:35:14 q- 14:35:20 Set = Sets 14:35:20 ... No objections. Default will stand. 14:35:30 title missing a 's' 14:36:09 Deliverable C "W3C Library Linked Data Incubator Group: Datasets, Value Vocabularies, and Metadata Element Set" -- "Sets" 14:36:50 Topic: Actions related to deliverables 14:37:32 ACTION: Karen, Tom, Michael, and Gordon to write the executive summary [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html#action05] 14:37:37 --continued 14:38:07 ACTION: Karen and Emma to write a sentence adding cultural and memory institutions together in some way [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action03] 14:38:12 --CONTINUED 14:38:21 ACTION: Editors of Benefits to meet and work on the comments. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minutes.html#action07] 14:38:23 --DONE 14:38:33 ACTION: Karen will track items from former "issues" and "recommendations" that belong to benefits [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minutes.html#action08] 14:38:36 --DONE 14:39:11 ACTION: Jeff to integrate more refined view of non-resolvable URIs and linking. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html#action08] 14:39:14 --DONE 14:39:34 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Draft_Relevant_Technologies&diff=5746&oldid=5294 - Jeff on URIs 14:39:49 ACTION: Karen will convene issues and recommendations group to identify things that need to be discussed with larger group for July 21 meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action04] 14:39:51 --DONE 14:41:48 ACTION: Karen and Antoine to relate Library Data Resources and Library Standards and Linked data [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/16-lld-minutes.html#action12] 14:41:50 --DONE 14:42:55 ACTION: Emma to review Use Cases and make comments [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action07] 14:43:01 --CONTINUED 14:43:13 Topic: Finalization of report 14:43:34 Tom: We have remaining writing tasks as discussed above. 14:43:54 ... We need to declare the comment period closed. 14:44:38 ... Next week, we need to start moving thing over to HTML. 14:44:56 ... Go/No-go vote next week + final quality checks. 14:45:15 q+ 14:45:36 ack kcoyle 14:45:52 ... We have to trust the editors whether things are ready to be moved over to HTML 14:46:16 Karen: Isn't this part of the editorial work anyway? 14:47:00 Tom: It would be nice to have third parties look over it, but we don't seem to have enough resources. 14:47:09 ... So we will rely on the editors. 14:47:30 where does the html live? w3c site? 14:47:47 ... Moving wiki docs over to HTML: Ideally, we should have volunteers that have experience with this. 14:48:13 How to migrate from wiki to HTML http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Publishing_Incubator_Group_Documents 14:48:42 Seems straightforward enough to do... 14:49:01 wouldn't it be easier to just take the wiki stuff as text? 14:49:12 Put me down as helping with that. 14:49:21 it should be easy to code the text up 14:49:41 zakim, unmute me 14:49:41 pmurray should no longer be muted 14:50:17 Karen: Given that our doc is mostly text, we could just grab text an then mark it up. 14:50:36 Tom: We also have to run it through the publication checker. 14:50:47 ... To make sure it conform to W3C standards 14:51:34 ... Chairs will be involved. Karen and Peter also. 14:51:57 ACTION: Chairs, Karen, Peter to migrate wiki content to HTML 14:54:12 Tom: Response to the list on how LLD XG handled comments? 14:54:58 Antoine: We cannot generally acknowledge comments individually. 14:55:47 Maybe say a word about comments handling in the methodology section of the report ? 14:56:08 Tom: We can point to where we acknowledged the comments summarily and can respond that we took all into consideration. 14:56:31 ... We can add a sentence about comment handling in introductory remarks. 14:57:36 Antoine: Should I send to draft mails for specific comments to my section? 14:58:03 s/Should I send to /Should I still send / 14:59:23 ACTION: Chairs to prepare press release with W3C 14:59:33 Topic: Stanford Workshop 14:59:37 Tom: Any comments? 14:59:42 I've not heard about activity there... 15:00:10 Topic: Transition to Community Group 15:00:41 Anyone going to LOD-LAM-DC? 15:00:52 Tom: We will have to close out the XG in order to be able to transition to community group, but we have not identified any leaders yet. 15:00:57 a lot of people asked me about it at IFLA 15:01:04 haven't heard about lod-lam-dc. got a link? 15:01:36 There is an email about LAM-DC 15:01:40 ... I follow up with Jon Voss about this. 15:01:51 jon voss' event in december http://lod-lam.net/summit/2011/08/17/lodlam-dc/ 15:02:10 ... Thanks to all. Next week: final telecon! 15:02:18 thank you, Tom. 15:02:22 ... Meeting adjourned. 15:02:27 zakim, please list attendees 15:02:38 -edsu 15:02:44 -kcoyle 15:02:44 pmurray has left #lld 15:02:47 Sure, I think Im still muted 15:02:53 Bye all ! 15:02:54 -marcia 15:02:58 As of this point the attendees have been tbaker, jeff_, antoine, michaelp, +1.330.672.aaaa, marcia, kcoyle, +1.678.235.aabb, pmurray, edsu, rsinger 15:03:01 -pmurray 15:03:08 rrsagent, please draft minutes 15:03:08 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/08/18-lld-minutes.html antoine 15:03:17 -rsinger 15:03:19 antoine: i'm planning on going to that event 15:03:31 edsu: cool! 15:03:37 antoine: i imagine kevin ford will go too, at least 15:03:45 but it's in september, not december as you said 15:05:47 zakim, bye 15:05:51 rrsagent, bye 15:05:51 I see 16 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/18-lld-actions.rdf : 15:05:51 ACTION: Emma to keep track of comments through AUG. 11 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minutes.html#action03] [1] 15:05:51 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/18-lld-irc#T14-08-10 15:05:51 ACTION: Jodi to make an alternative transclusion [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minutes.html#action04] [2] 15:05:51 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/18-lld-irc#T14-08-22 15:05:51 ACTION: Editors of each section should watch for substantial comments to their section [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action06] [3] 15:05:51 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/18-lld-irc#T14-14-03 15:05:51 ACTION: Tom to post an announcement to the list that comment period has ended [4] 15:05:51 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/18-lld-irc#T14-14-15-1 15:05:51 ACTION: Tom and Antoine to draft acknowledgements. [5] 15:05:51 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/18-lld-irc#T14-19-01 15:05:51 ACTION: Ross to propose sentence about sum being more than the parts [6] 15:05:51 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/18-lld-irc#T14-27-37-1 15:05:51 ACTION: Karen, Tom, Michael, and Gordon to write the executive summary [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html#action05] [7] 15:05:51 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/18-lld-irc#T14-37-32 15:05:51 ACTION: Karen and Emma to write a sentence adding cultural and memory institutions together in some way [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action03] [8] 15:05:51 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/18-lld-irc#T14-38-07 15:05:51 ACTION: Editors of Benefits to meet and work on the comments. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minutes.html#action07] [9] 15:05:51 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/18-lld-irc#T14-38-21 15:05:51 ACTION: Karen will track items from former "issues" and "recommendations" that belong to benefits [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minutes.html#action08] [10] 15:05:51 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/18-lld-irc#T14-38-33 15:05:51 ACTION: Jeff to integrate more refined view of non-resolvable URIs and linking. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html#action08] [11] 15:05:51 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/18-lld-irc#T14-39-11 15:05:51 ACTION: Karen will convene issues and recommendations group to identify things that need to be discussed with larger group for July 21 meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action04] [12] 15:05:51 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/18-lld-irc#T14-39-49 15:05:51 ACTION: Karen and Antoine to relate Library Data Resources and Library Standards and Linked data [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/16-lld-minutes.html#action12] [13] 15:05:51 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/18-lld-irc#T14-41-48 15:05:51 ACTION: Emma to review Use Cases and make comments [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action07] [14] 15:05:51 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/18-lld-irc#T14-42-55 15:05:51 ACTION: Chairs, Karen, Peter to migrate wiki content to HTML [15] 15:05:51 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/18-lld-irc#T14-51-57 15:05:51 ACTION: Chairs to prepare press release with W3C [16] 15:05:51 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/18-lld-irc#T14-59-23 15:07:22 leaving. As of this point the attendees were tbaker, jeff_, antoine, michaelp, +1.330.672.aaaa, marcia, kcoyle, +1.678.235.aabb, pmurray, edsu, rsinger 15:07:25 Zakim has left #lld