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15:30:09 <Judy> zakim, this will be WAI_PF(Text)
15:30:09 <Judy> meeting: HTML A11Y Text Alternatives Sub-Group Teleconference
15:30:09 <Judy> chair:  Judy_Brewer
15:30:09 <Zakim> ok, Judy, I see WAI_PF(Text)11:30AM already started
15:30:42 <Judy> zakim, who's here?
15:30:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0
15:30:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Judy
15:30:48 <Judy> agenda+ response to Jonas on longdesc
15:30:48 <Judy> agenda+ meta generator proposal 
15:30:48 <Judy> agenda+ table summary http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Category:Table_Summary
15:30:48 <Judy> agenda+ fig caption http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13651
15:30:48 <Judy> agenda+ consensus policy input http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/consensus-procedures
15:30:49 <Judy> agenda+ text-alts sub-group schedule
15:30:51 <Judy> agenda+ other business? identify next scribe; adjourn.
15:31:39 <Zakim> +Judy
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15:32:26 <Judy> zakim, ??P0 is Janina
15:32:26 <Zakim> +Janina; got it
15:32:50 <JF> is it here or on html-a11y?
15:34:18 <Zakim> +John_Foliot
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15:39:39 <janina> scribe: janina
15:39:58 <Judy> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:39:58 <Zakim> agendum 1. "response to Jonas on longdesc" taken up [from Judy]
15:41:01 <janina> Judy: Believe JF is still editing a comprehensive response
15:41:14 <janina> Judy: It's now timely to take this up
15:41:32 <Judy> s/a comprehensive response/a response/
15:41:43 <janina> JF: High on my priorities this week, behind proposal for Web TV workshop in Hollywood
15:42:29 <janina> jf: Believe primarily reordering and tightening up
15:43:00 <janina> Judy: Want to come back to whether this is specific to this issue or a general response on these kinds of issues
15:43:14 <janina> Judy: Modular may be more useful in the latter case
15:43:33 <janina> Judy: We got conflicting guidance from two Chairs in two meetings
15:44:25 <janina> Judy: Still think referencable docs are useful going forward
15:46:49 <janina> JF: Modularizing would be OK, not much extra time
15:47:30 <janina> Judy: Modularized works for me, not sure what we should call them, not white paper ...
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15:48:42 <janina> Janina: Suggesting an agreed name/handle is important
15:50:32 <janina> Judy: "Note" would be good, but can't because it's a W3C reserved word
15:50:44 <janina> Judy: We can decide by next week
15:52:10 <Judy> s/but can't because/but/
15:52:36 <janina> s/can't/ /
15:53:08 <janina> JF: Goal is to get this done by Friday when I leave for vacation
15:53:24 <Judy> zakim, close agendum 1
15:53:24 <Zakim> agendum 1, response to Jonas on longdesc, closed
15:53:25 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:53:27 <Zakim> 2. meta generator proposal [from Judy]
15:53:36 <Judy> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:53:36 <Zakim> agendum 2. "meta generator proposal" taken up [from Judy]
15:53:42 <JF> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposal/meta_name=generator_does_not_make_missing_alt_conforming
15:53:44 <Zakim> + +44.208.517.aaaa
15:54:10 <janina> zakim, +aaaa is Lyn
15:54:10 <Zakim> sorry, janina, I do not recognize a party named '+aaaa'
15:54:41 <Zakim> -Judy
15:54:58 <Zakim> +Judy
15:55:02 <janina> zakim, +44.208.517.aaaa is Lynn_Holsworth
15:55:02 <Zakim> +Lynn_Holsworth; got it
15:57:28 <janina> Janina, suggest we repost to the list asking people to review whether ready to forward to Chairs
15:57:38 <janina> JF: I like the proposal, agree with process
15:58:43 <janina> Group suggesting to check with Steve first
15:59:50 <janina> Clarification that we need to repost to TF list with Monday deadline as ready for review
15:59:50 <Judy> zakim, close agendum 2
15:59:50 <Zakim> agendum 2, meta generator proposal, closed
15:59:51 <Judy> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:59:52 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:59:54 <Zakim> 3. table summary http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Category:Table_Summary [from Judy]
15:59:55 <Zakim> agendum 3. "table summary http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Category:Table_Summary" taken up [from Judy]
16:00:40 <janina> Judy: Monday then up to Thursday TF call
16:01:16 <janina> Janina, same state ...
16:01:20 <janina> Judy: Great
16:01:31 <Judy> zakim, close agendum 3
16:01:31 <Zakim> agendum 3, table summary http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Category:Table_Summary, closed
16:01:33 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:01:35 <Zakim> 4. fig caption http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13651 [from Judy]
16:01:40 <janina> Janina will reforward
16:01:41 <Judy> zakim, take up agendum 4
16:01:41 <Zakim> agendum 4. "fig caption http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13651" taken up [from Judy]
16:02:37 <janina> has 'resolved, won't fix' status
16:04:11 <janina> Judy: Question raised re wouldn't it be simpler to require alt? We need to be conservative
16:05:33 <janina> JF: Debate is how much is too much
16:06:46 <janina> JF: We need a CP and to go through the process
16:07:35 <janina> Judy: Want to recheck possible association with one other issue ...
16:07:54 <janina> Judy: It was mentioned fig-caption not yet supported in AT
16:09:20 <janina> JF; My understanding is that all new HTML5 elements are treated as divs
16:09:33 <janina> JF: by old browsers
16:10:16 <janina> JF: We probably need a WCAG technique with aria-describedby via id
16:13:09 <janina> JF: Will be an issue certainly
16:21:16 <janina> jf: suggest steve's html5accessibility.com is a good starting point for AT vendor discussion
16:23:19 <janina> jf: All this requires browsers do something, and we only have two html5 parsers so far, I believe
16:24:51 <janina> jf: Propose our next step on fig-caption is a cp
16:32:36 <janina> discussion of how to approach discussion
16:34:12 <janina> JF: Suggesting canvasing alternate media producers re how many words max for alt
16:34:27 <janina> Judy: Also a WCAG discussion
16:36:50 <janina> Judy: This approach looks at conformance, we might perhaps look again at the warning approach
16:40:59 <janina> Judy: Increasingly in scientific publications, fig-caption not on main page, but in a popup after you select the thumbnail
16:43:40 <Judy> judy: but the publishing conventions are not consistent
16:47:23 <Judy> zakim, agenda?
16:47:23 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
16:47:24 <Zakim> 4. fig caption http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13651 [from Judy]
16:47:25 <Zakim> 5. consensus policy input http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/consensus-procedures [from Judy]
16:47:27 <Zakim> 6. text-alts sub-group schedule [from Judy]
16:47:29 <Zakim> 7. other business? identify next scribe; adjourn. [from Judy]
16:48:26 <Judy> zakim, close item 4
16:48:26 <Zakim> agendum 4, fig caption http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13651, closed
16:48:28 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:48:30 <Zakim> 5. consensus policy input http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/consensus-procedures [from Judy]
16:48:47 <Judy> zakim, take up item 5
16:48:47 <Zakim> agendum 5. "consensus policy input http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/consensus-procedures" taken up [from Judy]
16:54:57 <janina> discussion on how to restate based on experience
16:59:43 <Judy> agenda?
16:59:49 <Judy> zakim, close item 5
16:59:49 <Zakim> agendum 5, consensus policy input http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/consensus-procedures, closed
16:59:51 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:59:52 <Zakim> 6. text-alts sub-group schedule [from Judy]
17:00:02 <janina> Janina encouraged to draft an updated consensus for discussion
17:00:20 <Judy> zakim, close item 6
17:00:20 <Zakim> agendum 6, text-alts sub-group schedule, closed
17:00:21 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
17:00:22 <Zakim> 7. other business? identify next scribe; adjourn. [from Judy]
17:01:06 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
17:01:56 <Zakim> -Lynn_Holsworth
17:01:57 <Zakim> -Judy
17:01:58 <Zakim> -Janina
17:01:58 <Zakim> WAI_PF(Text)11:30AM has ended
17:02:00 <Zakim> Attendees were Judy, Janina, John_Foliot, Lynn_Holsworth
17:02:02 <janina> zakim, bye
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17:02:09 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
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17:02:32 <janina> rrsagent, make log public
17:02:39 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
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