13:58:59 RRSAgent has joined #hcg 13:58:59 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/08/12-hcg-irc 13:59:17 Meeting: Hypertext Coordination Group Teleconf 13:59:51 ddahl has joined #hcg 14:00:15 janina has joined #hcg 14:00:21 +Debbie_Dahl 14:00:33 +??P2 14:00:51 zakim, ??P2 is Janina 14:00:51 +Janina; got it 14:01:07 trackbot, start telcon 14:01:09 RRSAgent, make logs member 14:01:11 Zakim, this will be HTML_CG 14:01:11 ok, trackbot, I see HTML_CG()10:00AM already started 14:01:12 Meeting: Hypertext Coordination Group Teleconference 14:01:12 Date: 12 August 2011 14:01:18 zakim, who is here? 14:01:18 On the phone I see Dan_Burnett, Kazuyuki, Debbie_Dahl, Janina 14:02:42 +Bert 14:02:51 Bert has joined #hcg 14:05:18 Chair: Debbie 14:05:22 Scribe: Kaz 14:05:27 topic: Actions 14:05:37 debbie: no actions due today 14:05:49 topic: Speech XG 14:06:53 dan: some kind of protocol which can handle various codecs 14:07:04 ... might be done in outside W3C? 14:07:39 debbie: regarding XG extension, no idea about the procedure 14:08:00 dan: checked with Coralie, and it should be OK to extend one more year 14:08:19 debbie: or maybe recharter as the Emotion XG did 14:08:25 dan: it's possible 14:09:00 ... the primary goal is done before TPAC 14:09:17 ... and kick-off meeting at TPAC 14:10:08 debbie: the point is where is the appropriate place to the discussion (existing WGs or a new WG, etc.) 14:10:13 +Doug_Schepers 14:10:39 doug: (joins) 14:10:53 debbie: we're talking about HTML Speech XG 14:11:45 dan: expected to bring our ideas to the existing WGs 14:12:02 ... but WGs, e.g., HTML WG, are overloaded these days 14:12:25 ... some of the XG participants think it would make sense to do our work within Web Apps WG 14:12:58 q+ 14:13:01 ... need to ask Doug about opinion 14:13:45 janina: seems to useful to do this 14:14:32 dan: standard track work should be done 14:15:06 ... the real question is where to do this as standard track work 14:15:13 janina: ok 14:15:39 doug: read the minutes from your meeting (XG meeting) 14:15:51 ... interested in all the audio related topics within W3C 14:16:00 ... think Web Apps is out 14:16:44 ... clearly not in the scope of the Web Apps group 14:16:54 ... the target is APIs and Widgets 14:17:03 ... could suggest another group, e.g., DAP 14:17:30 ... also could be a TF within the HTML WG 14:17:51 ... is Bjorn included? 14:17:58 dan: we have Bjorn from Google 14:18:22 ... also another communicating with the Google Chrome Team 14:18:34 doug: how about Web RTC? 14:18:49 dan: never happened 14:19:06 ... I'm one of the editors in that group 14:19:22 ... but no way to add Speech XG's work to their scope 14:19:41 doug: what's the specific objection? 14:19:53 ... browser vendors involved? 14:20:32 dan: btw, you said Web Apps is working for APIs. And API means JavaScript API. right? 14:20:50 doug: I guess I'm saying... 14:20:59 kaz has left #hcg 14:21:09 kaz has joined #hcg 14:21:26 ... scope in the Web Apps 14:21:45 ... but everybody comes to Web Apps, and it's getting not manageble 14:22:04 dan: the concern raised by Google 14:22:22 ... their main concern is mainly speech industry joined the XG 14:22:36 ... but lacking Web technology guys 14:22:55 ... need sufficient input from Web community 14:23:11 ... you have large participation from normal Web tech guys 14:23:38 debbie: regarding input from non-speech 14:23:58 ... doesn't Google have non-speech guys as well, do they? 14:24:38 dan: don't know how we can do that 14:24:54 doug: if you scare people enough, people will do that 14:25:28 ... for example, when I did DOM3 events, I tried to get feedback from people 14:26:21 ... if you get a call for Web Apps group, need a review 14:26:35 ... personally very reluctant to new work 14:26:44 ... I understand it's API 14:26:50 ... but it's a speech API 14:27:06 ... most people in the Web Apps don't have speech expertise 14:27:53 ... why doing it in the Web Apps group is problematic, the group already has very broad scope 14:28:03 ... and it would take long to update the charter 14:28:12 ... need to talk with lawyers 14:28:40 ... my suggestion is trying it in your WG, and try to get browser vendors involved 14:28:47 debbie: any opinion from Bert? 14:28:52 bert: no... 14:29:12 ... sounds completely different 14:29:36 ... would agree with Doug 14:29:42 dan: ok 14:30:23 debbie: speech technology has a bit different IP area from Web tech 14:30:33 ... might cause extra delay 14:31:03 doug: my advice is starting discussion with broader community 14:31:20 ... including Web Apps, DAP and HTML 14:31:56 ... whoever the staff contact should try to get Web browser vendors 14:32:40 ... the number is growing, but it's still difficult for everybody to review the charter 14:33:02 ... I think the next step could be drafting the charter in your working group 14:33:20 ... and ask specific Webby guys for review 14:33:41 dan: I mentioned several options right before your joining 14:34:01 ... the goal is bringing speech capability into HTML 14:34:09 ... there are various options 14:34:25 ... the APIs and/or markups 14:34:49 ... some people would like to add reco element 14:34:58 ... but some really don't like it 14:35:28 ... there is a third piece 14:35:42 ... the group is calling protocol 14:36:01 ... no one knew protocol from IETF viewpoint 14:36:33 ... regarding protocol for Web Scokets, it's rather IETF work, I think 14:37:01 doug: similar situation in Web RTC 14:37:05 dan: right 14:37:25 doug: separation between W3C and IETF is clear now 14:37:43 ... suggest you write your charter right now 14:37:57 dan: we'd like to hold a kick-off meeting at TPAC 14:38:58 ... I wanted to use the time for XG report, but we can start new discussion instead 14:39:20 doug: would suggest you start new charter 14:39:25 ... who is the staff contact 14:39:53 dan: it's a XG, so no staff contact. just have Coralie as the Activity Lead 14:40:05 doug: she doesn't have much technical expertise 14:40:34 dan: invited Matt Womer to the last meeting 14:41:16 doug: if I were you, would draft a charter based on the WebRTC charter 14:41:45 q+ to mention I also can help :) 14:42:10 ... you can talk with Doug, Matt, Francois, Mike Smith, PLH, etc. 14:42:41 ... also Kaz, ahd PH from UbiWeb 14:42:49 s/Kaz,/Kaz/ 14:44:13 ... HTML, WebApps 14:44:21 dan: Audio as well? 14:44:39 ... audio capture API is needed 14:45:05 doug: we'll have multiple specs 14:45:38 debbie: not a bad idea to have discussion within HCG about which groups are related 14:45:55 dan: I just need to draft a charter 14:46:11 ... what is the next step? 14:46:20 debbie: checking with Kaz 14:46:43 s/... what is the next step?// 14:48:27 s/protocol for Web Scokets/protocol carried over WebSockets/ 14:48:28 kaz: we need to create a new WG in any case, I think 14:49:01 debbie: we've got consensus about creating a new WG 14:49:36 doug: audio wg, dap wg and this group work for APIs 14:49:44 ... audio and multimedia 14:49:53 ... all these need same kind of people 14:49:57 q- 14:50:19 ... maybe need some sort of coordination call? 14:51:03 ... I think we should have discussion how to drive the right people to share right sort of people 14:51:31 s/ to share right sort of people// 14:52:02 ... we can try to get more attention for this topic 14:52:08 ... how about Facebook? 14:52:41 s/... how about Facebook?// 14:54:42 kaz: maybe Web and TV IG could be also involved, because speech interface should be useful for TV remote 14:56:00 Present: Dan_Burnett, Kazuyuki, Debbie_Dahl, Janina, Bert, Doug_Schepers 14:59:14 doug: more exposure in interaction domain 14:59:22 s/more/need more/ 15:01:02 kaz: btw, where to send the minutes, public or member? 15:01:07 all: public :) 15:02:05 RESOLUTION: we advice this HTML Speech XG to write a charter to a Speech APIs WG in Interaction domain 15:02:40 s/charter to a Speech/charter for a Speech/ 15:02:51 s/we advice/we advise/ 15:03:51 s/domain/domain, and circulate it among the W3C staff and ask for review from groups, e.g., HTML, Web Apps, Web RTC, DAP, and WHAT-WG/ 15:04:08 s/WHAT-WG/WHAT-WG, etc./ 15:04:28 s/and circulate it among/and circulate it first among/ 15:04:41 s/and ask for review/and then ask for review/ 15:04:49 action: burnett to draft a charter based on the Web RTC charter 15:04:50 Created ACTION-65 - Draft a charter based on the Web RTC charter [on Daniel Burnett - due 2011-08-19]. 15:07:09 (some more discussion about visibility of the group's work) 15:07:32 dan: suggests we continue the discussion with beer at the plenary 15:08:04 s/dan: suggests we continue the discussion with beer at the plenary// 15:08:55 [ adjourned ] 15:09:03 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/08/12-hcg-minutes.html kaz 15:09:16 rrsagent, bye 15:09:16 I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/12-hcg-actions.rdf : 15:09:16 ACTION: burnett to draft a charter based on the Web RTC charter [1] 15:09:16 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/12-hcg-irc#T15-04-49