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14:53:18 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 
14:53:18 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
14:53:19 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
14:53:19 <trackbot> Date: 11 August 2011
14:53:22 <pgroth> Zakim, this will be PROV
14:53:22 <Zakim> ok, pgroth; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
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14:54:05 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started
14:54:10 <pgroth> Chair: Paul Groth
14:54:12 <Zakim> +??P1
14:54:20 <pgroth> Zakim, ??P1 is me
14:54:20 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it
14:54:47 <Zakim> +??P2
14:54:48 <pgroth> Scribe: Ryan Golden
14:55:07 <pgroth> rrsagent, make logs public
14:55:07 <GK> zakim, ??p2 is me
14:55:08 <Zakim> +GK; got it
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14:55:24 <pgroth> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.08.11
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14:55:55 <Yogesh> zakim, +1.213.290 is me
14:55:56 <Zakim> +Yogesh; got it
14:56:00 <Zakim> + +1.443.987.aabb
14:56:01 <pgroth> Regrets: Christine Runnegar
14:56:29 <Curt> zakim, +1.443.987.aabb is me
14:56:29 <Zakim> +Curt; got it
14:57:17 <Zakim> +??P30
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14:58:06 <stain> not many today!
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14:59:32 <stain> Zakim: ??P34 is me
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14:59:40 <stain> Zakim, ??P34 is me
14:59:40 <Zakim> +stain; got it
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15:00:01 <smiles> zakim, ??P33 is me
15:00:02 <Zakim> +smiles; got it
15:00:16 <Zakim> + +1.915.747.aadd
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15:00:34 <khalidbelhajjame> zakim, ??P17 is me
15:00:34 <Zakim> +khalidbelhajjame; got it
15:00:35 <Vinh> zakim, 1.937.343.aacc is me
15:00:35 <Zakim> sorry, Vinh, I do not recognize a party named '1.937.343.aacc'
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15:01:01 <Vinh> zakim, + +1.937.343.aacc is me
15:01:10 <stain> stain has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.08.11 (stain)
15:01:12 <Zakim> I don't understand '+ +1.937.343.aacc is me', Vinh
15:01:20 <Zakim> +??P26
15:01:26 <kai> zakim, ??P26 is me.
15:01:28 <Paulo> zakim, +1.915.747.aadd is me
15:01:43 <Zakim> +kai; got it
15:01:47 <Zakim> + +49.302.093.aaee
15:01:48 <Zakim> +Paulo; got it
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15:02:02 <Zakim> +??P40
15:02:22 <jcheney> zakim, ??p40 is me
15:02:31 <Zakim> +??P41
15:02:44 <Zakim> +jcheney; got it
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15:03:18 <stain> Zakim, who is noisy?
15:03:22 <Vinh> +1.937.343.aaff is me
15:03:40 <Zakim> stain, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pgroth (54%), GK (7%), Yogesh (61%)
15:03:43 <Zakim> + +1.512.524.aagg
15:03:48 <Vinh> zakim, +1.937.343.aaff is me
15:04:03 <Zakim> +Vinh; got it
15:04:17 <Zakim> -khalidbelhajjame
15:04:29 <Zakim> + +1.216.368.aahh
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15:04:39 <pgroth>   http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2011-08-04
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15:04:44 <pgroth> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of 04 Aug telecon
15:04:53 <satya> +!
15:04:54 <Curt> +1
15:04:56 <jcheney> +1
15:04:58 <satya> +1
15:04:59 <kai> +1
15:05:00 <khalidbelhajjame> +1
15:05:02 <Yogesh> +1
15:05:04 <stain> +1 (not there, but good)
15:05:06 <Zakim> +??P17
15:05:09 <smiles> +1
15:05:17 <khalidbelhajjame> zakim, ??P17 is me
15:05:18 <Edoardo> +1
15:05:19 <pgroth> Scribe: Helena Deus
15:05:28 <Zakim> +khalidbelhajjame; got it
15:05:31 <satya> zakim, +1.216.368.aahh is me
15:05:32 <StephenCresswell> +1
15:05:36 <Zakim> +satya; got it
15:05:42 <olaf> +1
15:05:48 <GK> +1
15:05:54 <Zakim> +Kingsley_Idehen
15:06:01 <MacTed> Zakim, Kingsley_Idehen is OpenLink_Software
15:06:01 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software; got it
15:06:03 <Lena> minutes approve
15:06:05 <Zakim> - +1.512.524.aagg
15:06:10 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
15:06:10 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
15:06:14 <MacTed> Zakim, mut eme
15:06:14 <Zakim> I don't understand 'mut eme', MacTed
15:06:16 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
15:06:16 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
15:06:24 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
15:06:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, GK, Yogesh, Curt, ??P30, stain, smiles, Paulo, kai, +49.302.093.aaee, jcheney, ??P41, Vinh, satya, khalidbelhajjame, MacTed (muted)
15:06:26 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Scribes
15:06:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see Helena, Lena, satya, JimM, jcheney, olaf, kai, Edoardo, Paulo, StephenCresswell, smiles, khalidbelhajjame, stain, Curt, Yogesh, Zakim, RRSAgent, pgroth, Vinh, GK,
15:06:33 <Zakim> ... MacTed, trackbot, edsu
15:06:57 <pgroth>   http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/W3C_Implementation_Stakeholder_Questionnaire_2nd_Iteration
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15:07:22 <pgroth> Helena: discussing stakeholder questionnaire
15:07:26 <Helena> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/W3C_Implementation_Stakeholder_Questionnaire_2nd_Iteration
15:07:45 <Zakim> + +1.512.524.aaii
15:08:10 <stain> Helena: Came across several concerns, need guidelines. Representation of provenance. 
15:08:16 <pgroth> thanks stain
15:08:45 <stain> Helena: First basic description, second level more on how data was produced, but not everything, third level is complete provenance
15:09:13 <stain> Helena: Use this to create unit test, not yet formulated.
15:09:32 <stain> Helena: Need to contact existing stakeholders if it is OK to publish data
15:09:50 <pgroth> +q
15:09:54 <pgroth> q?
15:09:57 <pgroth> ack pgroth
15:09:57 <satya> +q
15:10:04 <Zakim> + +1.858.210.aajj
15:10:09 <pgroth> ack satya
15:10:13 <MacTed> throwing a minor tweak (pre-formed answers) into the "may we share your free-text?" boilerplate...
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15:10:41 <pgroth> +q
15:10:45 <pgroth> ack pgroth
15:10:46 <pgroth> q?
15:10:48 <stain> Satya: Last bit of form asks 'ow do you produce provenance', should we also ask 'how do you collect provenance' ? 
15:10:52 <Lena> satya: should we also keep track of the tools are used to track provenance
15:11:28 <Zakim> +??P54
15:11:36 <pgroth> q+
15:11:37 <MacTed> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/W3C_Implementation_Stakeholder_Questionnaire_2nd_Iteration#Email_to_contact_stakeholders_regarding_privacy_of_questionnaire_responses
15:11:52 <pgroth> q?
15:11:54 <pgroth> ack pgroth
15:11:54 <DGarijo> Zakim, ??P54 is me
15:11:55 <satya> ack pgroth
15:11:55 <Zakim> +DGarijo; got it
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15:13:12 <Lena> satya: had model telco on monday
15:13:24 <Lena> satya: adding query of example scenario
15:13:49 <Lena> satya: adding diagrams to illustrate constructs of the ontology (help users to understand axioms in the ontology)
15:14:29 <satya> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/PIL_OWL_Ontology
15:15:02 <Lena> satya: calling for comments on "roles"
15:15:12 <Lena> satya: how should role be modelled in different scenarios?
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15:15:19 <pgroth> +q
15:15:22 <pgroth> ack pgroth
15:15:24 <pgroth> q?
15:15:30 <jcheney> +q
15:15:36 <smiles> q+
15:15:37 <pgroth> ack jcheney
15:16:01 <satya> James is referring to: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/93fc4f6af76d/ontology/ProvenanceFormalModel.html
15:16:04 <Helena> jcheney: went over owl document and identified properties that could be formalized in the ontology
15:16:44 <satya> good point James! - I missed that point
15:17:05 <DGarijo> q+
15:17:41 <Helena> jcheney: how to represent n-ary relationships in owl
15:19:00 <Helena> pgroth: modify the provenance formal model using anchors
15:19:17 <GK> Re n-ary relations: http://www.w3.org/TR/swbp-n-aryRelations/
15:19:38 <pgroth> action: jcheney put anchors into the Provenance Model 
15:19:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-34 - Put anchors into the Provenance Model  [on James Cheney - due 2011-08-18].
15:19:42 <stain> (but it does have anchors..? http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/93fc4f6af76d/ontology/ProvenanceFormalModel.html#time for instance)
15:19:55 <pgroth> ack smiles
15:20:26 <DGarijo> @GK wi didn't wat to declare the relationships as classes in the ontology
15:20:43 <DGarijo> @GK that's why we have used another approach by Satya
15:21:19 <pgroth> @james this should be identifying the html anchors in the provenance model to be used
15:21:21 <pgroth> q?
15:21:58 <DGarijo> @GK I meant We didn't want, no Wi didn't wat...
15:22:23 <pgroth> q+
15:22:26 <Helena> simon: location - what is it supposed to be? how should it be represented? formal model vs conceptual model inconsistencies 
15:23:35 <khalidbelhajjame> q
15:23:37 <khalidbelhajjame> +q
15:24:02 <IlkayAltintas> How does the sensor working group identify location?
15:24:04 <Helena> simon: location in the pil model can be defined by another standards? 
15:24:13 <pgroth> ack DGarijo
15:25:11 <stain> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/ProvenanceModel.html#concept-Use
15:25:15 <GK> Thatwas *two* changes, wasn't it?  Simple case "uses" -> "used".  "Is used by" is also inverse relation.
15:25:22 <Helena> DGarijo: should have "uses"relationship instead of "usedBy" -> from Luc's comment on the wiki
15:25:39 <stain> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/93fc4f6af76d/ontology/ProvenanceFormalModel.html#isusedby is in the past
15:27:01 <satya> @Ilkay: I think the sensor incubator group? uses OGC term for location
15:27:14 <Helena> pgroth: keep track of deviations between conceptual model and ontology
15:28:03 <pgroth> q?
15:28:13 <pgroth> ack pgroth
15:28:21 <Zakim> - +1.858.210.aajj
15:28:22 <pgroth> ack khalidbelhajjame 
15:28:25 <pgroth> q?
15:29:11 <Helena> khalidbelhajjame: many relationships in the conceptual model may need to be ignored
15:29:20 <pgroth> q?
15:29:23 <Helena> khalidbelhajjame: that is why they appear to be inconsistent
15:29:32 <satya> @Khalid: I agree
15:29:35 <pgroth> q?
15:29:53 <Helena> pgroth: provenance access and query document
15:30:47 <Helena> GK: drafted 2 proposals ofr an http inteface for prov discovery
15:31:01 <Helena> GK: first was not the interface developers were hoping to see
15:31:21 <Helena> GK: second proposal goes back to first principles and treats it as a REST interface
15:31:51 <Helena> GK: adding "concepts" section/review and refine terminology (converging on the model document term.)
15:32:08 <Helena> GK: added discussion about the issues of discovering provenance
15:32:42 <Helena> GK: link header -> recommend use of the anchor parameter
15:33:31 <Helena> pgroth: first version did not allow the define the "entity"
15:33:47 <Helena> pgroth: added the notion of target as well as a resource within the set of concepts
15:34:05 <Helena> pgroth: that is the anchor or url that can be used to find the provenance of something
15:34:12 <pgroth> q?
15:34:15 <Yogesh> q+
15:34:18 <GK> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/tip/paq/provenance-access.html
15:34:30 <MacTed> Zakim, who's noisy?
15:34:41 <Zakim> MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: GK (10%), Yogesh (89%)
15:35:17 <Helena> Yogesh: multiple provenance URI and target URI -> will provenance uri have provenance about the target uri?
15:35:31 <Helena> pgroth: they could or could not have that infor
15:35:52 <pgroth> q?
15:35:53 <Helena> pgroth: provenance information may or may not have provenance about a target uri
15:35:57 <pgroth> ack Yogesh
15:36:16 <Helena> Yogesh: does it make sense to define which provenance uri describe which target uri?
15:36:19 <GK> q+
15:36:29 <Helena> pgroth: how to bind a target to a particular set of proveance information? 
15:36:45 <Helena> pgroth: particulalry because a target could show up in many provenance info URI
15:36:50 <pgroth> ack GK
15:36:52 <GK> q-
15:37:09 <MacTed> bad psuedotriple --     { <provenanceURI> :primaryTopic <targetURI> }
15:37:23 <Helena> GK:  html link element is hard to use because does not work like anchor
15:37:43 <stain> @pgroth, I think that makes sense, it's up to the provenance itself to say something about the target's provenance
15:37:58 <khalidbelhajjame> +q
15:38:12 <pgroth> ack khalidbelhajjame 
15:38:14 <Yogesh> q+
15:38:17 <Zakim> + +1.858.210.aall
15:38:20 <MacTed> or ... { <provenanceURI> :describes <targetURI> }
15:38:20 <MacTed> or ... { <targetURI> :describedBy <provenanceURI> }
15:38:57 <stain> vu
15:39:00 <Helena> khalidbelhajjame: provenance doc show say how to access the provenance of a particular entity -> would also allow connecting resource with entity
15:39:18 <Helena> pgroth: addressing the common case for access
15:39:29 <Helena> pgroth: in html -> what's the provenance of the page? 
15:39:47 <Helena> pgroth: need to make that compatible with the notions from the model
15:39:51 <stain> but is <provenanceURI> allowed to talk about <provenanceURI> even if it does not say how it was made? Like <provenanceURI> pil:usedBy :someProcess
15:39:56 <Helena> pgroth: not clear in that case that a resource is an entity
15:39:56 <GK> (Expectation that the provenance itself would be explicit about what it applies to.)
15:40:30 <Helena> pgroth: html page could be a entity (target uri)
15:40:40 <GK> I already noted I think we need to add examples to make this area clearer.
15:40:54 <satya> sorry I did not understand - What is the difference between resource and entity?
15:41:07 <pgroth> zakim, who's noisy?
15:41:17 <Zakim> pgroth, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pgroth (19%), GK (4%), khalidbelhajjame (28%), +1.512.524.aaii (5%)
15:41:23 <pgroth> q?
15:41:57 <Helena> Yogesh: notion of resource in the access document -> should be raised as an issue with the conceptual model; the vocabulary was not sufficient to describe how to access provenance
15:42:04 <Helena> pgroth: that's not the role of the model
15:42:13 <GK> I think khalid has a point... I think we need to clarify what we're trying to say and revisit.
15:42:13 <satya> I agree with your point Khalid - but I am trying to understand why are we differentiating between resource and entity?
15:42:28 <Helena> Yogesh: had to use new notion "resource" to describe how to access provenance of things
15:42:32 <stain>  I believe "resource" in PAQ doc is just a normal web resource, right?
15:42:38 <MacTed> q?
15:42:42 <Helena> pgroth: need to connect to web architecture; use web architecture terms
15:42:42 <MacTed> q+
15:42:50 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
15:42:50 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
15:43:05 <pgroth> ack Yogesh
15:43:25 <Helena> Yogesh: why use of target in http header (instead of anchor)?
15:43:32 <satya> Following on Khalid's point, can't we model web resource as type of entity?
15:44:13 <MacTed> +1 satya (that's what my queue+ is about...)
15:44:39 <Reza_BFar> Another option would be to create an indirection layer between a web resource and an entity and use something like XSL/XSLT to specify possible transformations as an extension... though this adds complexity which would be undesirable.
15:44:57 <Helena> call a concept instead of a target?
15:45:37 <GK> s/concept/context/
15:45:37 <Helena> pgroth: reusing terminology from http specification, need ot make sure they "mean" what they "say"
15:45:38 <Reza_BFar> +1 on terminology from Paul.
15:45:51 <GK> HTTP uses "anchor" IIRC
15:45:54 <Helena> DGarijo: http uses target in the wrong way
15:46:20 <Helena> MacTed: a web resource is a resource; a subclass of an entity
15:46:24 <khalidbelhajjame> +1 for Jim
15:46:28 <Helena> MacTed: conceptual framework MUST maintain that!
15:46:30 <GK> How is resource a subclass of entity?
15:46:44 <Helena> MacTed: if we dont' treat it as so, we break everything
15:46:47 <GK> A rsource is a thing that can be named
15:47:02 <DGarijo> @Helena I wasn't the one talking :)
15:47:04 <Helena> MacTed: an entity may be of any type of class (e.g. web reousrce is an entity IF it can be named)
15:47:06 <GK> All of those entoties are also resources.
15:47:24 <Helena> MacTed: provenance is not just about where a web page comes from
15:47:34 <GK> I think we have crossed wires here.  Not sure where right now.
15:47:35 <pgroth> q?
15:47:53 <Helena> MacTed: e.g. a picture on a usb stick is not a web resource, but it does have provenance
15:48:12 <Helena> pgroth: provenance model document describes "entity"
15:48:15 <GK> I agree with most of what @MacTed said, except as noted...
15:48:22 <Helena> pgroth: in terms of the provenance model document
15:48:24 <Curt> back to BOB vs. entity?
15:49:17 <Helena> q+
15:49:22 <pgroth> ack MacTed
15:49:38 <GK> I agree with @MacTed --  it's not the *web* resource that's special or distinct here...
15:49:45 <GK> (per se)
15:50:03 <Helena> MacTed: provenance of entities is intertwined
15:50:13 <Helena> MacTed: provenance should NOT be just about web resources
15:50:25 <Helena> MacTed: provenacne document should allow that
15:50:31 <pgroth> ack Helena
15:50:50 <jcheney> I thought we all agreed previously that "provenance should NOT be just about web resources"
15:51:06 <jcheney> (or at least it was generally the consensus)
15:51:35 <GK> @jcheney yes, I agree - and I think this discussion has become crossed if that's how it sounds
15:52:16 <pgroth> q?
15:52:18 <GK> q+ to suggest that paul and I should go and clarify between ourselves, then come back with revised proposal.document
15:52:25 <satya> Lena: Why should entity be different in query and access document from provenance model?
15:52:32 <khalidbelhajjame> @paul, the provenoce model does not use resource, PAQ does
15:52:35 <GK> Sorry hunting mute button
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15:52:47 <satya> @GK :)
15:54:09 <Zakim> +??P6
15:54:26 <pgroth> q?
15:54:26 <Reza_BFar> I agree with Paul on that the treatment in Query is different than the Model.  The overwhelming use-case, IMHO, of how you "Query" a provenance provider will be through some http related interface hence lending itself to URI
15:54:35 <pgroth> q?
15:54:38 <pgroth> ack GK
15:54:38 <Zakim> GK, you wanted to suggest that paul and I should go and clarify between ourselves, then come back with revised proposal.document
15:54:45 <GK> q-
15:55:01 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
15:55:02 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
15:55:23 <satya> q+
15:55:26 <pgroth>   http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/ProvenanceModel.html#shortcuts-and-extensions
15:55:27 <Helena> pgroth: propose shortcuts and extensions added to the provenance model document
15:55:36 <pgroth> ack satya
15:55:37 <GK> ACTION: paul and graham to clarify what we mean by entity vs target vs resource
15:55:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-35 - And graham to clarify what we mean by entity vs target vs resource [on Paul Groth - due 2011-08-18].
15:56:18 <Zakim> - +1.714.454.aakk
15:56:30 <stain> which points are those..?
15:56:40 <Zakim> - +1.858.210.aall
15:56:44 <satya> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/71
15:57:29 <smiles> q+
15:57:56 <smiles> q-
15:57:56 <Helena> pgroth: minimal list of what is useful to have (e.g. something that looks like attribution)
15:58:42 <pgroth> q?
15:58:52 <pgroth> q?
15:59:16 <satya> will add comments to mailing list thread
15:59:44 <Zakim> - +1.512.524.aaii
15:59:47 <Zakim> -satya
15:59:47 <Zakim> -khalidbelhajjame
15:59:48 <Zakim> - +49.302.093.aaee
15:59:49 <Zakim> -Paulo
15:59:50 <Zakim> -MacTed
15:59:52 <Zakim> -DGarijo
15:59:54 <Zakim> -jcheney
15:59:56 <pgroth> rrsagent, set log public
15:59:56 <Zakim> -kai
15:59:58 <Zakim> -??P6
16:00:00 <Zakim> -Yogesh
16:00:02 <pgroth> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:00:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/08/11-prov-minutes.html pgroth
16:00:02 <Zakim> -smiles
16:00:04 <Zakim> -Curt
16:00:08 <Zakim> -??P30
16:00:09 <pgroth> trackbot, end telecon
16:00:09 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:00:10 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:00:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/08/11-prov-minutes.html trackbot
16:00:11 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:00:11 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/11-prov-actions.rdf :
16:00:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jcheney put anchors into the Provenance Model  [1]
16:00:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/11-prov-irc#T15-19-38
16:00:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: paul and graham to clarify what we mean by entity vs target vs resource [2]
16:00:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/11-prov-irc#T15-55-37
16:00:15 <Zakim> -??P41
16:00:23 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been pgroth, GK, +1.213.290.aaaa, Yogesh, Curt, +1.937.343.aacc, stain, smiles, khalidbelhajjame, kai, +49.302.093.aaee, Paulo, jcheney,