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15:04:47 <krisk> zakim, this will be htmlt
15:04:47 <Zakim> ok, krisk; I see HTML_WG(HTMLT)11:00AM scheduled to start 4 minutes ago
15:05:06 <krisk> Meeting: HTML5 Testing Task Force
15:05:36 <krisk> If someone else attends I can call into the conf call
15:05:55 <krisk> ...if not we can do this all on IRC
15:06:49 <krisk> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2011Aug/0004.html
15:08:21 <krisk> TOPIC: Check for bugs on approved tests
15:08:42 <krisk> Looking at bugzilla I see one new bug http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13699
15:09:55 <krisk> Which is an ask to update the tests to conform to the HTML5 spec change due to bug number http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10930
15:10:47 <krisk> Any comments on the bug?
15:11:16 <Ms2ger> I think the bug is correct :)
15:11:38 <krisk> Do you know which tests need to be updated?
15:11:56 <krisk> I suspect that Opera will be impacted by this change
15:12:57 <Ms2ger> At least http://w3c-test.org/html/tests/approved/canvas/2d.imageData.object.round.html, I think
15:13:14 <krisk> If no one knows specifically which tests are impacted, I can take a peek and send them out to the list with the proposed changes
15:13:55 <krisk> Given the comment by philip Taylor in bug #13699
15:14:17 <Ms2ger> That would be great
15:15:12 <gsnedders> Looking through what Fx/WebKit both fail might help :)
15:15:22 <krisk> If no one objects - the bugs looks correct and the test(s) need to be updated to reflect the spec
15:16:43 <krisk> TOPIC: Propose to extend the meeting dates, no changes to time, etc..
15:16:59 <krisk> I'm going to update the wiki and send an email to the list with the meeting times
15:17:11 <krisk> Same time, channel, etc..
15:17:40 <krisk> The last meeting on the wiki is scheduled for august 23rd
15:18:10 <krisk> The next meeting will by on Sept 6th, Sept 20th, etc...
15:18:11 <Ms2ger> I probably won't be able to make it from the end of September, but that's fine
15:19:02 <krisk> TOPIC: New Test Submitter
15:19:32 <krisk> So 이종흔 <jhlee@infraware.co.kr> seems to be updating his tests to use the harness
15:20:09 <krisk> This is good though I have not looked at his tests, but he stated these are for 3 features
15:20:24 <Ms2ger> I'll forward to WebApps as well
15:20:31 <krisk> Two of these are not part of the HTML5 specification 
15:20:39 <krisk> Storage and Web SQL
15:20:57 <krisk> They are both part of the Web Apps working group
15:21:19 <krisk> ..the later of which (web sql) has stopped and be replaced with Indexed DB
15:21:39 <krisk> The submission process is the same - just a different location in Hg
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15:22:58 <krisk> We Microsoft have some tests that we will be submitting to the Web Apps working group as well
15:23:47 <krisk> So it might be time to start a simalar effort or combined meeting for web app tests
15:24:13 <plh> web apps has such effort as well, but only relies on editors for test suites
15:24:34 <plh> but we can easily give them the test suites
15:24:35 <Ms2ger> For Marcos' test suites, yes
15:24:47 <plh> and also xhr
15:24:53 <Ms2ger> I sure hope I won't have to test all of DOM Core
15:25:13 <krisk> More test the better - expecting the editor to write all the tests doesn't lead to many tests
15:25:17 <jgraham> Well it's pretty obvious that making the editor write all tests doesn't scale
15:25:25 <jgraham> So I assume that isn't the plan…
15:25:28 <plh> sorry, I didn't mean to say that the editor writes all the tests
15:25:47 <plh> I meant that the coordination for the test suite is done through the editor
15:25:50 <krisk> Anyhow jhlee should not spend time converting all the web sql tests to the harness give the fate of this specification
15:26:09 <plh> ah, that's good point indeed
15:26:38 <Ms2ger> Is hg access still limited to Members/IEs?
15:26:55 <krisk> yes - you need a w3c account
15:27:00 <plh> for the html one, we have a way to add contributors
15:27:01 <krisk> to push - anyone and pull
15:27:27 <krisk> s/and pull/can pull/
15:27:41 <plh> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=45652
15:27:59 <krisk> Also note that jgraham submitted some Microdata tests http://w3c-test.org/html/tests/submission/Opera/microdata/001.html
15:28:06 <plh> anyone in webapps, html and David carlisle can push in the html hg
15:28:22 <krisk> great
15:28:23 <Ms2ger> Oh, great
15:28:49 <Ms2ger> Maybe that list could be used for webapps as well?
15:29:11 <plh> sure, I could ask Art about it (or you could?)
15:29:19 <Ms2ger> I'll email
15:29:39 <krisk> Not sure if Tantek follows the list, he might be a good person to also review these Microdata tests
15:32:00 <plh> btw, regarding the test framework, it's now deployed but we're doing the webperf group first. HTML is next after that.
15:32:19 <krisk> Note that plh fixed the mime-type issue on Hg last week
15:32:28 <krisk> Shall we adjourn?
15:32:49 <plh> ok
15:32:59 <jgraham> sure
15:33:03 <Ms2ger> ^
15:33:20 <krisk> zakim, bye
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15:34:04 <plh> ms2ger, also for webapps, my hope is to spend some of Mike and Francois time on helping the webapps with gathering tests by October
15:34:44 <Ms2ger> That would be great
15:35:02 <plh> I wonder how much of the original dom test suite could be resurrected by the way
15:35:32 <Ms2ger> I've been looking at that
15:35:41 <Ms2ger> I've integrated the first three or so :)
15:35:54 <plh> the source format for that test suite was XML
15:36:06 <plh> did you start from there or did you start from the JS version?
15:36:16 <Ms2ger> From the JS
15:36:48 <Ms2ger> Just looking at what these were testing and rewriting from there, really
15:37:01 <plh> hum, might be better to start from the XML for a first pass to do a general conversion
15:37:23 <plh> and then discard/add from there
15:37:29 <Ms2ger> Perhaps
15:37:45 <plh> I'll try to look at this in a not so distant future
15:37:57 <Ms2ger> I'd like to reduce the number of files, at least
15:38:24 <plh> ie fold more tests within one file?
15:38:27 <Ms2ger> Yes
15:39:22 <plh> hum, very likely to be a manual operation
15:39:58 <Ms2ger> Yeah
15:42:49 <Ms2ger> plh, so the webapps repo is currently limited to webapps-WG members?
15:45:46 <plh> I believe so