IRC log of au on 2011-08-08

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19:52:26 [Jan]
Zakim, this will be AUWG
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ok, Jan; I see WAI_AUWG()3:00PM scheduled to start 52 minutes ago
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Meeting: WAI AU
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2011JulSep/0037.html
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Chair: Jan Richards
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Regrets: Jutta T.
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WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has now started
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+ +1.571.765.aaaa
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+[Microsoft]
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+??P8
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+Jeanne
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zakim, ??P8 is really Jan
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+Jan; got it
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zakim, aaaa is really Greg
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+Greg; got it
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zakim, [Microsoft] is really Cherie
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+Cherie; got it
20:04:27 [Jan]
zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see Greg, Cherie, Jan, Jeanne
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Jan, trackbot
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+ +1.970.349.aabb
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zakim, aabb is really SueAnn
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+SueAnn; got it
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JS: What we need is to produce report...
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JS: of our CR implementations...
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JS: whethere each implementor has met it or not met it
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JS: We have a new testing framework....
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JS: It will store test questions and then record yes or no
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JR: Can we just put SC's in?
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JS: Depends who is doing the testing
20:10:54 [Jan]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2011JulSep/0030.html
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+[Microsoft]
20:13:07 [Jan]
zakim, [Microsoft] is really Alex
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+Alex; got it
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+Tim_Boland
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B.1.1.1 Content Auto-Generation After Authoring Sessions (WCAG):
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Authors have the default option that, when web content is automatically generated for publishing after the end of an authoring session, it is accessible web content (WCAG). (Level A to meet WCAG 2.0 Level A success criteria; Level AA to meet WCAG 2.0 Level A and AA success criteria; Level AAA to meet all WCAG 2.0 success criteria)
20:24:26 [Jan]
Note: This success criterion applies only to automatic processes specified by the authoring tool developer. It does not apply when author actions prevent generation of accessible web content.
20:33:18 [jeanne]
[discussion of the email]
20:33:33 [Jan]
Cherie: This really only covers implementor
20:34:18 [jeanne]
Cherie: The testers aren't going to test to verify, they are going to test to find the flaws.
20:35:08 [jeanne]
JR: It wasn't meant that way - I meant that you only have to test the SC that apply to your tool for the level you want to check.
20:35:37 [jeanne]
... Why do the extra work of getting AA test cases if you are only going to test for A.
20:36:01 [Jan]
Cherie: Don't test to verify
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cherie: I will want to check for all so I know where we are.
20:36:32 [Jan]
Cherie: There is value in partial results....
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Tim: Possible that implementor might test for a mixture
20:37:24 [Jan]
Cherie: Not going in assuming anything
20:37:45 [jeanne]
Jeanne: We will need to test for all SC, since we need to have two implementations of every SC.
20:38:34 [jeanne]
JR: Would you test it iteratively? Test A, then test AA.
20:38:43 [Jan]
Cherie: Certainly won't test them all at A then AA then AAA
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Cherie: If I have it setup I might as well test A then AA then AAA on the same SC
20:39:38 [Jan]
Cherie: Might do hardest and back down or start with easiest
20:39:41 [jeanne]
Cherie: If I test an example for A, I would test it again for AA right then, I would not go through the whole loop. I might do the hardest and back down, or start with the easiest. It will depend on the SC.
20:40:35 [Jan]
JR: What about test considerations?
20:41:10 [Jan]
Cherie: OK but very important not to step outside normative requirements
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JS: WCAG had lots of diffs between evaluators that needed to be sorted out
20:42:21 [jeanne]
Jeanne: The WCAG CR testing had to resolve every discrepency from the testers, so clarifications in advance would be helpful
20:42:47 [Jan]
Cherie: Also implementor would always start with atomic tests
20:43:05 [jeanne]
... feature by feature.
20:44:18 [Tim]
http://www.w3.org/QA/WG/2005/01/test-faq#good - what makes a good test?
20:44:30 [Jan]
http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-ATAG20-20110721/#part_b
20:44:40 [jeanne]
JR: The applicability conditions at the start of Part A and Part B and in the conformance level, so they are not close to the individual SC, so they may be overlooked.
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Tim: Use of word "accessible web content" ...
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JS: There has been a sub-group working on testing for a few months...
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JS: They now have a beta version of a testing framework
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JS: We give an HTML page with test instructions and links to test examples etc. then at the bottom are outcome buttons
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Tim: Link to framework?
20:51:14 [Jan]
JS: Not yet
20:54:36 [Jan]
Action JR: To update the structure of the implementation report
20:54:37 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-352 - Update the structure of the implementation report [on Jan Richards - due 2011-08-15].
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-Tim_Boland
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-Alex
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-Cherie
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-SueAnn
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-Greg
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RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/08/08-au-minutes.html Jan
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RRSAgent, set logs public
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-Jan
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-Jeanne
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WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has ended
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Attendees were +1.571.765.aaaa, Jeanne, Jan, Greg, Cherie, +1.970.349.aabb, SueAnn, Alex, Tim_Boland