19:52:22 RRSAgent has joined #au 19:52:22 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/08/08-au-irc 19:52:26 Zakim, this will be AUWG 19:52:26 ok, Jan; I see WAI_AUWG()3:00PM scheduled to start 52 minutes ago 19:52:30 Meeting: WAI AU 19:52:53 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2011JulSep/0037.html 19:52:58 Chair: Jan Richards 19:53:03 Regrets: Jutta T. 20:00:05 WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has now started 20:00:12 + +1.571.765.aaaa 20:00:16 +[Microsoft] 20:01:14 +??P8 20:01:23 +Jeanne 20:01:55 zakim, ??P8 is really Jan 20:01:55 +Jan; got it 20:02:45 zakim, aaaa is really Greg 20:02:45 +Greg; got it 20:03:37 zakim, [Microsoft] is really Cherie 20:03:37 +Cherie; got it 20:04:27 zakim, who's here? 20:04:27 On the phone I see Greg, Cherie, Jan, Jeanne 20:04:28 On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Jan, trackbot 20:04:46 + +1.970.349.aabb 20:05:35 jeanne has joined #au 20:05:50 Greg has joined #au 20:05:54 zakim, aabb is really SueAnn 20:05:54 +SueAnn; got it 20:07:28 Sueann has joined #au 20:08:20 JS: What we need is to produce report... 20:08:39 JS: of our CR implementations... 20:08:56 JS: whethere each implementor has met it or not met it 20:09:14 JS: We have a new testing framework.... 20:09:36 JS: It will store test questions and then record yes or no 20:10:15 JR: Can we just put SC's in? 20:10:30 JS: Depends who is doing the testing 20:10:54 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2011JulSep/0030.html 20:12:55 +[Microsoft] 20:13:07 zakim, [Microsoft] is really Alex 20:13:07 +Alex; got it 20:16:08 +Tim_Boland 20:17:21 Tim has joined #au 20:24:22 B.1.1.1 Content Auto-Generation After Authoring Sessions (WCAG): 20:24:24 Authors have the default option that, when web content is automatically generated for publishing after the end of an authoring session, it is accessible web content (WCAG). (Level A to meet WCAG 2.0 Level A success criteria; Level AA to meet WCAG 2.0 Level A and AA success criteria; Level AAA to meet all WCAG 2.0 success criteria) 20:24:26 Note: This success criterion applies only to automatic processes specified by the authoring tool developer. It does not apply when author actions prevent generation of accessible web content. 20:33:18 [discussion of the email] 20:33:33 Cherie: This really only covers implementor 20:34:18 Cherie: The testers aren't going to test to verify, they are going to test to find the flaws. 20:35:08 JR: It wasn't meant that way - I meant that you only have to test the SC that apply to your tool for the level you want to check. 20:35:37 ... Why do the extra work of getting AA test cases if you are only going to test for A. 20:36:01 Cherie: Don't test to verify 20:36:10 cherie: I will want to check for all so I know where we are. 20:36:32 Cherie: There is value in partial results.... 20:37:10 Tim: Possible that implementor might test for a mixture 20:37:24 Cherie: Not going in assuming anything 20:37:45 Jeanne: We will need to test for all SC, since we need to have two implementations of every SC. 20:38:34 JR: Would you test it iteratively? Test A, then test AA. 20:38:43 Cherie: Certainly won't test them all at A then AA then AAA 20:39:09 Cherie: If I have it setup I might as well test A then AA then AAA on the same SC 20:39:38 Cherie: Might do hardest and back down or start with easiest 20:39:41 Cherie: If I test an example for A, I would test it again for AA right then, I would not go through the whole loop. I might do the hardest and back down, or start with the easiest. It will depend on the SC. 20:40:35 JR: What about test considerations? 20:41:10 Cherie: OK but very important not to step outside normative requirements 20:42:10 JS: WCAG had lots of diffs between evaluators that needed to be sorted out 20:42:21 Jeanne: The WCAG CR testing had to resolve every discrepency from the testers, so clarifications in advance would be helpful 20:42:47 Cherie: Also implementor would always start with atomic tests 20:43:05 ... feature by feature. 20:44:18 http://www.w3.org/QA/WG/2005/01/test-faq#good - what makes a good test? 20:44:30 http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-ATAG20-20110721/#part_b 20:44:40 JR: The applicability conditions at the start of Part A and Part B and in the conformance level, so they are not close to the individual SC, so they may be overlooked. 20:46:03 Tim: Use of word "accessible web content" ... 20:49:38 JS: There has been a sub-group working on testing for a few months... 20:49:59 JS: They now have a beta version of a testing framework 20:50:31 JS: We give an HTML page with test instructions and links to test examples etc. then at the bottom are outcome buttons 20:51:10 Tim: Link to framework? 20:51:14 JS: Not yet 20:54:36 Action JR: To update the structure of the implementation report 20:54:37 Created ACTION-352 - Update the structure of the implementation report [on Jan Richards - due 2011-08-15]. 21:01:14 -Tim_Boland 21:01:15 -Alex 21:01:15 -Cherie 21:01:17 -SueAnn 21:01:20 -Greg 21:01:53 RRSAgent, make minutes 21:01:53 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/08/08-au-minutes.html Jan 21:02:03 RRSAgent, set logs public 21:08:51 -Jan 21:08:58 -Jeanne 21:08:59 WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has ended 21:09:01 Attendees were +1.571.765.aaaa, Jeanne, Jan, Greg, Cherie, +1.970.349.aabb, SueAnn, Alex, Tim_Boland