14:38:32 RRSAgent has joined #webtv 14:38:32 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/08/04-webtv-irc 14:38:46 Meeting: Media Pipeline Task Force Teleconf 14:38:53 Chair: Clarke 14:56:09 duncanr has joined #webtv 14:57:03 UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM has now started 14:57:10 +??P20 14:57:12 zakim, call kazuyuki-617 14:57:12 ok, kaz; the call is being made 14:57:13 +Kazuyuki 14:57:20 -??P20 14:57:31 zakim, who is here? 14:57:31 On the phone I see Kazuyuki 14:57:32 On IRC I see duncanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, francois, kaz, trackbot 14:58:22 r has joined #webtv 14:58:45 +??P20 14:59:12 -Kazuyuki 14:59:20 -??P20 14:59:20 UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM has ended 14:59:21 Attendees were Kazuyuki 14:59:30 UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM has now started 14:59:37 +francois 14:59:47 +??P2 14:59:57 zakim, code? 14:59:57 the conference code is 93288 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), kaz 15:00:14 +??P48 15:00:25 zakim, ??P48 is me 15:00:25 +kaz; got it 15:00:25 igarashi has joined #webtv 15:00:25 zakim, ??P2 is duncanr 15:00:26 +duncanr; got it 15:00:31 zakim, who is here? 15:00:33 On the phone I see francois, duncanr, kaz 15:00:47 On IRC I see igarashi, r, duncanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, francois, kaz, trackbot 15:00:53 sGondo has joined #webtv 15:01:01 +Narm 15:01:13 zakim, mute me 15:01:23 Clarke has joined #webtv 15:01:25 zakim, mute me 15:01:27 francois should now be muted 15:01:33 kaz should now be muted 15:01:37 +??P52 15:01:42 zakim, unmute me 15:01:45 kaz should no longer be muted 15:01:45 aizu has joined #webtv 15:01:48 +??P54 15:01:51 zakim, ??P52 is Clarke_Stevens 15:02:02 zakim, ??P54 is Gondo 15:02:07 +Clarke_Stevens; got it 15:02:30 zakim, mute me 15:02:32 +Gondo; got it 15:02:36 zakim, who is here? 15:02:37 scribe: francois 15:02:55 zakim, unmute me 15:02:56 kaz should now be muted 15:03:02 zakim, mute me 15:03:06 On the phone I see francois (muted), duncanr, kaz (muted), Narm, Clarke_Stevens, Gondo 15:03:14 +??P9 15:03:18 kaz should no longer be muted 15:03:19 zakim, ??P9 is Igarashi 15:03:24 +??P15 15:03:28 kaz should now be muted 15:03:31 zakim, unmute me 15:03:32 On IRC I see aizu, Clarke, sGondo, igarashi, r, duncanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, francois, kaz, trackbot 15:03:43 zakim, mute me 15:03:46 +Igarashi; got it 15:03:50 zakim, ??P15 is Aizu 15:03:55 narmgadiraju has joined #webtv 15:03:56 kaz should no longer be muted 15:04:02 +Russell_Berkoff 15:04:05 zakim, unmute me 15:04:10 +mav 15:04:19 kaz should now be muted 15:04:21 +Nilo_Mitra 15:04:23 +Aizu; got it 15:04:25 zakim, mute me 15:04:27 Nilo_Mitra has joined #webtv 15:04:34 mav has joined #webtv 15:04:37 kaz should no longer be muted 15:04:47 kaz should now be muted 15:05:38 Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/Agenda_Telco_4th_August_2011 15:06:19 narm_gadiraju has joined #webtv 15:06:39 +??P6 15:06:39 zakim, unmute me 15:06:50 +??P7 15:06:51 Topic: Viewport support (ISSUE-37) 15:06:51 Use case: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/ViewPort-Support 15:07:01 giuseppe has joined #webtv 15:07:09 kaz should no longer be muted 15:07:14 zakim, mute me 15:07:27 kaz should now be muted 15:07:42 mav_ has joined #webtv 15:07:50 zakim, ??P6 is Giuseppe 15:07:50 +Giuseppe; got it 15:08:17 zakim, ??P7 is Bob 15:08:17 +Bob; got it 15:09:49 yes - cant track conversation in real time 15:09:56 Present: francois, duncanr, kaz, Narm, Clarke_Stevens, Gondo, Igarashi, Aizu, Russell_Berkoff, mav, Nilo_Mitra, Giuseppe, Bob 15:10:38 q+ 15:13:47 q? 15:13:52 ack francois 15:15:04 issue-37? 15:15:04 ISSUE-37 -- View-Port support for Video Window -- raised 15:15:04 http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/37 15:16:34 q+ to suggest we include a bit more detailed example scenario (including actual video image :) 15:17:40 Is Kaz taking notes, or russell? 15:18:22 OK. 15:18:41 r, if there is any problem, please let us know 15:18:42 Russell can take them online if you want a break. 15:19:16 -> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/the-map-element.html#the-map-element Map element in HTML5 15:19:23 zakim, mute me 15:19:23 francois should now be muted 15:19:31 q? 15:20:07 AR recorded 15:20:20 q? 15:20:24 unmute me 15:20:28 zakim, unmute me 15:20:28 kaz should no longer be muted 15:20:48 ACTION: Duncan to review whether ISSUE-37 can already be done using existing techniques 15:20:48 Created ACTION-67 - Review whether ISSUE-37 can already be done using existing techniques [on Duncan Rowden - due 2011-08-11]. 15:22:12 issue-18? 15:22:12 ISSUE-18 -- Video tag support of MPEG2-TS -- raised 15:22:12 http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/18 15:22:30 use case time synch: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Time_Synchronization 15:23:13 ack me 15:23:32 AR: Jan - Summarize ISSUE-18 as new use-case 15:23:52 ACTION: Jan to summarize a new home issue for ISSUE-18 15:23:52 Created ACTION-68 - Summarize a new home issue for ISSUE-18 [on Jan Lindquist - due 2011-08-11]. 15:24:16 zakim, mute me 15:24:16 kaz should now be muted 15:25:01 i/use case time synch/Topic: Time Synchronization/ 15:29:47 bob: explains his view, esp. existing features of HTML5 related this proposal 15:30:45 q+ 15:30:51 ack k 15:30:53 kaz, you wanted to suggest we include a bit more detailed example scenario (including actual video image :) and to 15:32:33 zakim, mute me 15:32:33 kaz should now be muted 15:32:42 topic: HTML5 LCWD comments 15:33:49 bob: 5 comments so far 15:33:59 ... one of them was reject, 13333 15:34:10 -> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13333 Bug 13333 15:34:29 bob: no discussion on the other 4 15:34:29 -> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13357 Bug 13357 15:34:35 -> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13358 Bug 13358 15:34:39 -> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13359 Bug 13359 15:34:59 -> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13625 Bug 13625 15:35:15 mav: we went through couple of the comments 15:36:13 clarke: we did 13333 and 13357 last week 15:37:08 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2011Jul/0063.html Clarke's message on HTML5 LC comments 15:37:50 bob: explains 13358 15:38:44 -> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13358 bug 13358 15:39:08 bob: had discussion with accessibility guys as well 15:39:20 ... they said this requirement is valid 15:39:51 giuseppe: no objection, but question about "endorsement" 15:40:21 clarke: acknowledging this is a comment from the IG 15:40:25 q+ 15:40:40 q? 15:40:42 ack k 15:40:44 unmute me 15:44:34 mute me 15:44:42 zakim, mute kaz 15:44:42 kaz should now be muted 15:45:40 kaz: explains the situation about HTML5 LC comments 15:46:18 ... all the 5 comments have submitted to HTML WG before the deadline and are under review 15:46:54 ... although the comment period for the first LCWD ended yesterday, we can send more comments to the HTML WG 15:47:16 ... those comments will be for the 2nd LCWD 15:48:15 ... we can also send a message to the chairs of the HTML WG and Hypertext Coordination Group saying we as the whole IG endorse these comments 15:48:44 giuseppe: fine to send a message 15:49:07 -> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13359 bug 13359 15:49:36 bob: A way is needed to identify the type of data in a track element 15:51:58 q+ 15:51:59 ack me 15:52:11 giuseppe: use case here is regarding user script 15:52:15 bob: right 15:53:22 bob: type attribute is populated as mime type 15:54:50 fd: even though the HTML WG refuse to add type attribute, it would be useful to have mechanism to handle IDL attribute from UA 15:55:26 q+ 15:56:04 RESOLUTION: everybody is fine to endorse 13359 15:56:09 q- 15:56:46 -> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13625 bug 13625 15:56:56 bob: There is no way to pass audio and video content metadata to the user agent that is required in some cases for playback. 15:59:52 ... specifically, protocol, size and content protection mechanism 16:00:36 ... would propose those three are added as attributes for HTMLMediaElement 16:01:27 igarashi: it would be better to have a metadata attribute which can handle all those three than adding three separate attributes 16:01:59 bob: you think so mainly because some more metadata would be added later 16:02:32 -mav 16:02:34 igarashi: RFC defines content type and content feature 16:03:04 bob: might be a good comment to be added to our comment 13625 itself 16:04:49 giuseppe: media element has too many parameters... 16:05:59 clarke: would suggest the IG co-Chairs to draft a message acknowledging these 5 comments 16:06:03 -francois 16:06:04 -Clarke_Stevens 16:06:06 -duncanr 16:06:13 -Gondo 16:06:15 -Narm 16:06:17 -Aizu 16:06:19 -Giuseppe 16:06:21 duncanr has left #webtv 16:06:22 Thanks everybody 16:06:23 -Russell_Berkoff 16:06:37 -Igarashi 16:06:45 -kaz 16:06:54 zakim, who is here? 16:07:04 On the phone I see Nilo_Mitra, Bob 16:07:18 On IRC I see giuseppe, narm_gadiraju, Nilo_Mitra, sGondo, RRSAgent, Zakim, francois, kaz, trackbot 16:07:30 -Nilo_Mitra 16:08:00 zakim, drop bob 16:08:00 Bob is being disconnected 16:08:02 UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM has ended 16:08:03 Attendees were francois, kaz, duncanr, Narm, Clarke_Stevens, Gondo, Igarashi, Russell_Berkoff, mav, Nilo_Mitra, Aizu, Giuseppe, Bob 17:09:04 [ adjourned ] 17:09:13 rrsagent, make log member 17:09:19 rrsagent, draft minutes 17:09:19 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/08/04-webtv-minutes.html kaz 17:09:25 rrsagent, bye 17:09:25 I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/04-webtv-actions.rdf : 17:09:25 ACTION: Duncan to review whether ISSUE-37 can already be done using existing techniques [1] 17:09:25 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/04-webtv-irc#T15-20-48 17:09:25 ACTION: Jan to summarize a new home issue for ISSUE-18 [2] 17:09:25 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/08/04-webtv-irc#T15-23-52 22:36:08 RRSAgent has joined #webtv 22:36:08 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/08/04-webtv-irc 22:36:13 rrsagent, make log public 22:36:16 rrsagent, draft minutes 22:36:16 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/08/04-webtv-minutes.html kaz