13:59:48 RRSAgent has joined #sparql 13:59:48 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/08/02-sparql-irc 13:59:50 RRSAgent, make logs world 13:59:53 Zakim has joined #sparql 13:59:55 Zakim, this will be 77277 13:59:55 ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute 13:59:56 zakim, this will be SPARQL 13:59:56 ok, LeeF, I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM already started 13:59:56 Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference 13:59:59 Date: 02 August 2011 13:59:59 Chair: LeeF 14:00:00 +kasei 14:00:03 Scribe: pgearon 14:00:06 Scribenick: pgearon 14:00:11 Zakim, passcode? 14:00:18 the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), bglimm 14:00:26 +??P16 14:00:32 zakim, ??P16 is me 14:00:41 cbuilara has joined #sparql 14:00:50 +AndyS; got it 14:01:15 +??P11 14:01:18 +MattPerry 14:01:20 zakim, ??P11 is me 14:01:42 +??P22 14:01:44 +cbuilara; got it 14:01:56 +LeeF 14:02:02 +pgearon 14:02:19 Zakim, mute me 14:02:20 sorry, bglimm, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 14:02:26 zakim, ??P22 is bglimm 14:02:26 +bglimm; got it 14:02:34 Zakim, mute me 14:02:34 bglimm should now be muted 14:02:39 zakim, who's on the phone? 14:02:39 On the phone I see kasei, AndyS, cbuilara, MattPerry, bglimm (muted), LeeF, pgearon 14:02:54 Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-08-02 14:03:02 +??P36 14:03:17 Regrets: OlivierCorby, chimezie, AxelPolleres 14:03:26 alex has joined #sparql 14:03:29 SteveH__ has joined #sparql 14:03:37 Zakim, who's on the phone? 14:03:44 On the phone I see kasei, AndyS, cbuilara, MattPerry, bglimm (muted), LeeF, pgearon, ??P36 14:03:53 Zakim, P36 is me 14:03:58 sorry, SteveH__, I do not recognize a party named 'P36' 14:04:02 +alex_ 14:04:04 Zakim, ??P36 is me 14:04:08 +SteveH__; got it 14:04:08 /nick alexpassant 14:04:15 topic: Admin 14:04:21 PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-07-26 14:04:29 Zakim, SteveH is me 14:04:34 +SteveH; got it 14:04:35 Zakim, SteveH__ is me 14:04:44 sorry, SteveH, I do not recognize a party named 'SteveH__' 14:05:16 LeeF: Major resolutions were to publish 2 working drafts 14:05:28 RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-07-26 14:05:50 Yes 14:05:55 Zakim, unmute me 14:05:55 bglimm should no longer be muted 14:05:59 Next regular meeting: 2011-08-09 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST (scribe: Birte ) 14:06:03 Zakim, mute me 14:06:03 bglimm should now be muted 14:06:07 LeeF: bglimm scribenick for next week 14:06:38 Regrets: Sandro, NickH 14:06:48 Regrets: Sandro, NickH, Paul 14:07:05 subtopic: RDF WG liason 14:07:27 LeeF: last week discussed official liaison with RDF working group 14:08:19 I'll do it 14:08:29 LeeF: allows us to update notices on how RDF 1.1 affects SPARQL 1.1 14:08:48 topic: publications 14:08:51 (don't let it stop anyone else) 14:09:20 LeeF: short name approved for CSVTSV document 14:09:33 LeeF: non boilerplate paragraph into the status section 14:10:06 AndyS: what does the boilerplate need to say? 14:10:38 LeeF: this publication describes how to serialize SPARQL results in comma separated/tab separated formats 14:11:14 AndyS: I'll do it 14:11:41 LeeF: go ahead to publish, Axel and I ought to be able to push that forward 14:11:45 close ACTION-499 14:11:45 ACTION-499 Inquire at W3C team on next possible pub date. closed 14:11:55 AndyS: Also did some editorial foo, no design change (its WD so I just did them). 14:12:29 ACTION AndyS to draft text for CSV/TSV status para 14:12:29 Created ACTION-507 - Draft text for CSV/TSV status para [on Andy Seaborne - due 2011-08-09]. 14:12:34 ACTION: Lee to work with editors & team (Ivan) to publish CSV/TSV and JSON results 14:12:34 Created ACTION-508 - Work with editors & team (Ivan) to publish CSV/TSV and JSON results [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-08-09]. 14:12:40 LeeF: next few weeks will have Sandro at home, so Ivan will be a contact until at least late August 14:12:43 topic: federated query 14:13:01 LeeF: hoping to resolve to publish federated query today 14:13:31 LeeF: back and forth on the mailing list, so not sure if we're at the point of LC 14:14:09 AndyS: one open thing is 3rd example needs bindings clause added 14:14:24 AndyS: 3rd example in 2.4 14:15:13 { ?s a foaf:Person } ==> { ?s a foaf:Person } BINDINGS (?s) { (:a) (:b) (:c) } 14:15:14 Carlos: applied what Andy said, but yet to apply comments from Greg 14:16:10 Currently, the 3rd q example has not BINDINGS clause (current CVS version) 14:16:32 kasei: a few things to consider, but haven't had a chance to look over the latest version, will do so soon 14:16:46 ACTION: Greg to review latest federated query document for Last Call readiness 14:16:46 Created ACTION-509 - Review latest federated query document for Last Call readiness [on Gregory Williams - due 2011-08-09]. 14:17:41 topic: other documents readiness 14:18:05 LeeF: small amount of progress on overview doc from Axel and protocol document from LeeF 14:18:45 LeeF: main thing left for protocol doc is update examples 14:19:06 LeeF: also security and conformance bits to be cleaned up, plus references added 14:19:26 LeeF: Axel made some progress on overview document, but not sure what he's done 14:19:48 LeeF: not yet updates RDF 1.1 and SPARQL 1.1 wiki pages for result formats 14:20:36 LeeF: if AndyS wants to review, then that would be great 14:20:45 AndyS: no promises, but will see if I can 14:21:27 LeeF: want to talk at some point about CSV/TSV document. Maybe should leave to next week 14:21:30 topic: Comments 14:21:40 http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments 14:21:55 LeeF: thank you AndyS for doing my least favorite thing in the world and updating this page 14:22:18 LeeF: go through the ones that are open, sorted by status.... 14:22:23 any known outstanding issues on federated query? 14:22:46 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Aug/0001.html 14:22:46 (and i mean really outstanding, not just pretty good) 14:23:19 LeeF: first comment from Jeen about built in functions that are approved 14:23:34 I think Jeen has a point about string functions 14:23:38 it's a little arbitrary 14:24:40 LeeF: do you want to discuss? 14:25:34 SteveH: thinks Jeen is right, but it's not worth another last call 14:25:51 AndyS: Jeen is half right, but he's missed one thing though 14:25:55 STRSTARTS and STRENDS 14:26:08 SteveH: Bryan Thompson comment a question rather than a comment 14:26:52 LeeF: Bryan is from BigData 14:27:00 AndyS: yes, and they use Sesame 14:27:19 LeeF: Andy, you think Bryan's conclusion is correct or not correct? 14:27:35 AndyS: it's an error, yes. It doesn't show up in results because error is unbound 14:27:43 LeeF: so group still appears? 14:27:46 AndyS: yes 14:28:05 AndyS: can't compare an error with unbound 14:28:39 AndyS: still have an error in test suite for errors and aggregates 14:29:03 AndyS: an action on SteveH for this 14:29:06 Zakim, unmute me 14:29:06 bglimm should no longer be muted 14:29:19 AndyS: SUM(?p) -> error ==> FILTER is error -> skipped. 14:29:37 s/AndyS: an action on SteveH for this/LeeF: an action on SteveH for this/ :-) 14:30:05 Zakim, mute me 14:30:05 bglimm should now be muted 14:30:07 LeeF: assign MS-7 to bglimm 14:30:41 kasei: started addressing points to DB-6 in link on wiki 14:30:51 kasei: would appreciate feedback on draft 14:31:18 ACTION: Lee to look at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:DB-6 14:31:18 Created ACTION-510 - Look at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:DB-6 [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-08-09]. 14:31:19 kasei: a lot of what I have is a set of notes to be filled in, rather than an actual response 14:32:01 kasei: biggest changes that could come from this could be renaming of properties 14:32:14 LeeF: renaming like this would be a substantive change 14:32:32 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Jul/0017 14:32:47 alex has joined #sparql 14:33:22 pgearon: will work on it this week, but won't be doing anything for the coming week due to vacation 14:33:47 LeeF: reminds AndyS that he has a pending comment from David DB-4 14:34:32 LeeF: wiki weirdness with SA-1 14:34:50 LeeF: looking at SC-3 first 14:35:15 LeeF: got acknowledgement that he's not thrilled, but won't object to the design 14:35:48 LeeF: SA-1 is a comment about performance problem with XSL style sheet incorporated into result format 14:36:34 LeeF: 2 options. Incorporate Stephen's patch and update, or say, thanks but not going to touch this right now 14:36:46 LeeF: anyone interested in verifying the patch? 14:37:11 AndyS: heard about patch before. Believe it makes a difference, with some caveats that my knowledge of XSLT is limitted 14:37:38 LeeF: don't want to go through a bunch of process for this 14:37:53 ACTION: Lee to ask team (Ivan) about whether the patch in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Jul/0007 can be applied without any W3C process 14:37:53 Created ACTION-511 - Ask team (Ivan) about whether the patch in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Jul/0007 can be applied without any W3C process [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-08-09]. 14:38:49 LeeF: NL-1 about limitations of CONSTRUCT WHERE, I'll be taking care of this comment 14:39:03 LeeF: JB-6 Jeen's comment on aggregates 14:39:26 SteveH: don't think draft has been sent, looking 14:39:30 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Jun/0013 14:39:36 http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:JB-6 14:39:50 LeeF: SteveH has a full response 14:40:11 "We will add" => is this recorded anywhere? 14:40:54 SteveH: recalls had 1 response and said I'd send if no one else commented, but didn't follow up due to no one responding 14:41:59 LeeF: KK-14 assigned to kasei 14:42:08 kasei: done, just need to write the response 14:42:24 LeeF: KR-1, are you waiting for someone to comment on this? 14:42:34 kasei: just did it last night 14:42:43 LeeF: happy with KR-1, so send 14:42:58 LeeF: AL-1, needs chimezie 14:43:17 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011May/0038.html 14:43:39 LeeF: IH-1 from Ivan 14:43:47 q+ 14:43:50 AndyS: done the change, but haven't written the response 14:44:48 ack SteveH 14:45:00 AndyS: real problem with Ivan's comment is that we don't reference OWL semantics at all in the query doc 14:45:45 ACTION: Steve to add text clarifying that functions/operators that return errors may be extended a la http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:JB-6 14:45:45 Created ACTION-512 - Add text clarifying that functions/operators that return errors may be extended a la http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:JB-6 [on Steve Harris - due 2011-08-09]. 14:46:00 SteveH: going back to earlier comment, can't find specific text. Will work on that 14:47:08 LeeF: not prepared to do anything significant on test cases right now. Need to do it, but other stuff is more significant right now 14:47:16 topic: ACTION bookkeeping 14:47:23 ACTION-484 is the part of KK-14 that I've done 14:47:24 LeeF: quickly, does anyone know of open actions on them that are complete that we can close? 14:47:28 http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/open?sort=owner 14:48:42 close ACTION-484 14:48:42 ACTION-484 Look at Kjetil's test case and incorporate it into the SPARQL WG test suite and email the group about it closed 14:48:53 I've 54 and 72 still pending review - need to be closed 14:49:27 neither am I :) 14:49:46 LeeF: pending review actions are probably all completed. Will check 14:50:00 ACTION: Lee to review and close the pending review actions (http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/pendingreview) 14:50:00 Created ACTION-513 - Review and close the pending review actions (http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/pendingreview) [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-08-09]. 14:50:56 -LeeF 14:50:57 bye 14:50:57 -kasei 14:50:58 -SteveH 14:50:59 -cbuilara 14:51:01 -pgearon 14:51:02 -alex_ 14:51:02 bye 14:51:03 -AndyS 14:51:03 -bglimm 14:51:12 -MattPerry 14:51:13 SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended 14:51:15 Attendees were kasei, AndyS, MattPerry, cbuilara, LeeF, pgearon, bglimm, alex_, SteveH__, SteveH 15:22:21 alex_ has joined #sparql 15:46:26 SteveH__ has joined #sparql 16:57:37 Zakim has left #sparql