16:01:46 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #htmlspeech
16:01:46 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/07/28-htmlspeech-irc
16:01:48 <Zakim> -Michael_Johnston
16:01:50 <burn> zakim, help
16:01:50 <Zakim> Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot for more detailed help.
16:01:52 <Zakim> Some of the commands I know are:
16:01:53 <Zakim>  xxx is yyy       - establish yyy as the name of unknown party xxx
16:01:55 <Zakim>                     if yyy is 'me' or 'I', your nick is substituted
16:01:58 <Zakim>  xxx may be yyy   - establish yyy as possibly the name of unknown party xxx
16:02:00 <Zakim>  I am xxx         - establish your nick as the name of unknown party xxx
16:02:02 <Zakim>  xxx holds yyy [, zzz ...] - establish xxx as a group name and yyy, etc. as participants within that group
16:02:05 <Zakim>  xxx also holds yyy - add yyy to the list of participants in group xxx
16:02:07 <Zakim>  who's here?      - lists the participants on the phone
16:02:09 <Zakim>  who's muted?     - lists the participants who are muted
16:02:12 <Zakim>  mute xxx         - mutes party xxx (like pressing 61#)
16:02:14 <Zakim>  unmute xxx       - reverses the effect of "mute" and of 61#
16:02:16 <Zakim>  is xxx here?     - reports whether a party named like xxx is present
16:02:19 <Zakim>  list conferences - reports the active conferences
16:02:20 <Zakim>  this is xxx      - associates this channel with conference xxx
16:02:21 <Zakim>  excuse us        - disconnects from the irc channel
16:02:23 <Zakim> I last learned something new on $Date: 2010/03/15 18:49:04 $
16:02:24 <Zakim> +Charles_Hemphill
16:02:37 <burn> zakim, nick Charles is Charles_Hemphill
16:02:37 <Zakim> ok, burn, I now associate Charles with Charles_Hemphill
16:03:20 <burn> trackbot, start telcon
16:03:22 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
16:03:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 
16:03:24 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
16:03:25 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Speech Incubator Group Teleconference
16:03:25 <trackbot> Date: 28 July 2011
16:03:48 <burn> Agenda:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2011Jul/0028.html
16:04:44 <burn> Scribe:  Milan_Young
16:04:50 <burn> ScribeNick:  Milan
16:05:00 <bringert> bringert has joined #htmlspeech
16:05:24 <bringert> dialing in in a min
16:06:50 <Milan> Topic: Protocol report
16:07:01 <Zakim> +wcandillon
16:07:11 <Milan> Robert: About 1 week behind scedule
16:07:21 <Milan> ... Draft review is public
16:07:43 <satish> satish has joined #htmlspeech
16:07:53 <Zakim> -Robert_Brown
16:09:14 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
16:09:28 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
16:09:45 <burn> zakim,  wcandillon is Bjorn_Bringert
16:09:45 <Zakim> +Bjorn_Bringert; got it
16:10:02 <burn> zakim, nick bringert is Bjorn_Bringert
16:10:02 <Zakim> ok, burn, I now associate bringert with Bjorn_Bringert
16:10:06 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
16:10:39 <burn> zakim, [Microsoft] is Robert_Brown
16:10:40 <Zakim> +Robert_Brown; got it
16:11:13 <Milan> ... Expect to incorperate redraft in one week
16:11:47 <Milan> Dan: Need to discuss timings
16:12:11 <Milan> Robert: Seems like a logisitcal challange
16:12:45 <Milan> Bjorn: What is use case for async sending notifications?
16:13:01 <Milan> Robert: Still debating
16:13:27 <Milan> Dan: Let's talk now
16:13:41 <Milan> ... maybe at end of call
16:13:51 <Zakim> +??P0
16:14:10 <smaug> Zakim, ??P0 is Olli_Pettay
16:14:10 <Zakim> +Olli_Pettay; got it
16:14:30 <Milan> ... Michael is still on vacation
16:14:42 <Milan> ... but doesn't look like alot of progress on API group
16:14:45 <Robert> Robert has joined #htmlspeech
16:15:07 <Milan> Bjorn: Agree that there has been no progress
16:15:20 <Milan> Dan: Will speak with Michael when he returns
16:16:13 <Milan> Bjorn: There are many outstanding tasks which were assigned by Michael
16:16:28 <Milan> Dan: Agree that we need to follow-up on those tasks
16:16:53 <Milan> Debbie: It's helpful if people just do their own requirements
16:17:01 <Milan> ... rather than wait for Raj
16:17:21 <Milan> Robert: Perhaps we should do a task "role call" now
16:17:38 <Milan> Dan: Good idea
16:17:42 <burn> Reminder email is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2011Jul/0018.html
16:18:01 <Milan> Dan: No communication from Raj
16:18:30 <Milan> Charles: Did re-review Microsoft proposal
16:18:59 <Milan> ... need to flesh out more of the JavaScript API and maybe make a case for markup
16:19:53 <Milan> Dan: Need to send everyting ASAP
16:20:07 <Milan> Charles: Will try to send by next week
16:20:23 <Milan> Dan: Don't have my task done, and no idea when it will be complete
16:20:35 <Milan> ... and no estimate
16:20:54 <Milan> Oillie: Have something in mind, but need to formally write up
16:21:03 <Milan> ... will send in next couple days
16:21:26 <Milan> Dan: Did recieve something from DanD, but not on the call today
16:21:38 <Milan> ... but it needs more discussion
16:21:52 <Milan> ... Did recieve something from Debbie
16:22:03 <Milan> Debbie: Would like to review item #5
16:22:21 <Milan> ... If time today would like to discuss how to organize parameters
16:22:52 <Milan> ... could get something out by middle of next week
16:23:21 <Milan> ... don't expect a full rewrite, just cleanup and making more specific
16:23:48 <Milan> Dan: Want to review Bjorn's proposal
16:23:56 <Milan> ... but haven't been on the call
16:25:09 <Milan> ... Did Michael fufil his taks?
16:25:22 <Milan> ... Doesn't seem like he has
16:25:40 <Milan> ... That is complete list of assignments
16:25:48 <Milan> ... but still unassigned tasks
16:26:08 <Milan> ... can do this on email, not just by conference
16:27:00 <Milan> ... Anything that needs to be discussed before charter expires?
16:27:22 <Zakim> -Olli_Pettay
16:27:49 <Milan> ... Floated idea to IETF that we may want to formalize the work of the protocol group
16:28:21 <Milan> ... Can take a few months to get a group together, so think about this now
16:29:04 <Milan> ... Need to "socialize" and then BOF session for next IETF (November)
16:29:16 <Milan> ... BOF writes the charter
16:29:39 <Milan> ... correction, BOF only approves the charter
16:30:09 <Milan> ... so should do this in advance
16:31:20 <Milan> ... had some conversations with Franciois (from IETF)
16:32:02 <Milan> ... said we were well positioned for a working group creation
16:33:49 <Milan> ... next week is avaible for discussion for subgroup
16:34:30 <Milan> Topic: Protocol work
16:35:24 <burn> ScribeNick:  Milan
16:35:49 <burn> milan:  Bjorn did you get my email on async events?
16:36:05 <burn> bjorn:  yes.  why would there be an event rather than something generated in UA?
16:36:19 <burn> milan:  there are many different modalities.  
16:36:33 <burn> bjorn:  so why do we need an event channel?
16:36:46 <burn> zakim, who's noisy?
16:36:57 <Zakim> burn, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Bjorn_Bringert (84%), Milan_Young (3%)
16:37:59 <burn> bjorn:  this would be adding a feature for something else to hijack speech channel and turn it into generic notification channel.  it's not necessary.
16:38:11 <burn> charles:  do we really need async results?
16:38:28 <burn> milan:  you can request something from server and it might have a delayed result
16:38:45 <burn> bjorn:  all responses are asynchronous
16:38:57 <burn> charles: why do we need events separate from requests?
16:39:16 <burn> milan:  client wouldn't request a response, but server just sends event
16:39:44 <burn> bjorn:  doesn't belong.  all info from server may be delayed but must still be in response to a request
16:39:48 <burn> milan:  okay
16:39:57 <burn> milan: ... I'm fine with that
16:40:43 <Milan> Topic: Organizing parameters of a function
16:41:26 <ddahl> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2011Jun/0086.html
16:42:19 <Milan> Debbie: How to ballance parmeters to put in a recognition request vs on the general channel
16:42:57 <Milan> ... Pick most important properties to put on the recognizer request
16:44:22 <Milan> Bjorn: Everything should be an attribute on the recognition object
16:45:05 <Milan> Dan: Discussed parameter effects being immediate
16:46:05 <Milan> Bjorn: Might have an "updateParameter" method to for them to take effect
16:46:27 <Milan> Charles: Pause / resume functionality ?
16:46:47 <Milan> Dan: Continous recognition means change at any point
16:47:29 <burn> bjorn:  what's the use case for changing params while reco is running?
16:47:45 <burn> milan:  that's how client can send events to server, e.g. mouse click occurred
16:47:52 <burn> bjorn:  that's different from setting a param
16:48:03 <burn> milan:  we don't have a way to send without setting parameters
16:48:15 <burn> bjorn:  in protocol maybe, but we're talking about webapi now
16:48:49 <burn> robert:  may be difficult to coordinate.  better to send new grammar and then say when grammar is to begin applying
16:49:12 <burn> ... in continuous reco may transition through many different modes.  audio needs to be continuous, need to say that grammars changed.
16:49:49 <burn> ... won't have to deal with maxnbest, etc.  can set that up before reco.  won't change language
16:49:50 <Milan> Dan: Interesting mentioned language
16:50:04 <Milan> Robert: Might have to change reconizers with the language
16:50:25 <Milan> Bjorn: method to apply current parameters
16:50:43 <Milan> Robjert: Consdier XHR
16:50:56 <Milan> ... if no outstanding request, then can change parameters
16:51:18 <Milan> Bjorn: Then two types of parametesr
16:51:32 <Milan> Charles: Runtime vs setup parameters
16:51:56 <Milan> Dan: Always have some take place immediately and some not, but how does that affect API?
16:52:37 <smaug> setParameters({ param1: value, param2: value2})
16:54:03 <burn> bjorn:  atomicity is the issue, but nothing else in HTML has atomicity
16:55:49 <Zakim> -Bjorn_Bringert
16:56:14 <Milan> Robert: Example of nice HTML API
16:56:24 <Milan> ... perhaps Bjorn could send over email
16:56:35 <Milan> Debbie: Leave this as an open issues
16:57:13 <Milan> ... will start email thread
16:58:11 <Zakim> -Robert_Brown
16:58:13 <Zakim> -Olli_Pettay.a
16:58:15 <Zakim> -Milan_Young
16:58:17 <Zakim> -Debbie_Dahl
16:58:19 <Zakim> -Daniel_Burnett
16:58:22 <Zakim> -Patrick_Ehlen
16:58:28 <Zakim> -Charles_Hemphill
16:58:29 <Zakim> INC_(HTMLSPEECH)11:30AM has ended
16:58:31 <Zakim> Attendees were Daniel_Burnett, Robert_Brown, Milan_Young, +1.818.237.aaaa, Michael_Johnston, Patrick_Ehlen, Debbie_Dahl, Olli_Pettay, Charles_Hemphill, Bjorn_Bringert
16:58:38 <burn> zakim, bye
16:58:38 <Zakim> Zakim has left #htmlspeech
16:59:11 <burn> s/, +1.818.237.aaaa//
16:59:19 <burn> rrsagent, make log publi
16:59:27 <burn> rrsagent, make log public
16:59:32 <burn> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:59:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/28-htmlspeech-minutes.html burn
17:00:50 <burn> Chair:  Dan_Burnett
17:00:55 <burn> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:00:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/28-htmlspeech-minutes.html burn
17:02:06 <burn> s/Franciois (from IETF)/Francois (from W3C)/
17:02:10 <burn> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:02:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/28-htmlspeech-minutes.html burn
18:07:19 <bringert> bringert has joined #htmlspeech
18:17:42 <ddahl> ddahl has left #htmlspeech