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12:26:54 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3794
12:26:54 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
12:26:55 <trackbot> Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
12:26:55 <trackbot> Date: 27 July 2011
12:27:55 <shadi> agenda+ Welcome
12:27:57 <shadi> agenda+ Continue processing comments
12:27:59 <shadi> agenda+ Upcoming meeting schedule
12:28:30 <shadi> chair: shadi
12:28:31 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2011Jul/0007.html
12:28:46 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
12:28:53 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
12:29:38 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
12:29:38 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
12:29:39 <Zakim> +Shadi
12:29:51 <cstrobbe> Zakim, how was your holiday?
12:29:51 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, cstrobbe.
12:30:11 <cstrobbe> zakim, it is very sad not to understand "holiday"?
12:30:11 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, cstrobbe.
12:30:37 <Zakim> +??P1
12:31:01 <cstrobbe> zakim, it is very sad not to understand "holiday"
12:31:01 <Zakim> I don't understand you, cstrobbe
12:31:15 <shadi> zakim, ? is Philip
12:31:15 <Zakim> +Philip; got it
12:32:41 <carlosV> carlosV has joined #er
12:33:28 <Zakim> +??P3
12:33:53 <shadi> zakim, ? is CarlosV
12:33:53 <Zakim> +CarlosV; got it
12:33:54 <Zakim> +??P4
12:34:15 <Zakim> + +30231125aaaa
12:34:41 <shadi> zakim, ? is Samuel
12:34:41 <Zakim> +Samuel; got it
12:34:50 <kostas> kostas has joined #er
12:34:54 <shadi> zakim, aaaa is Kostas
12:34:54 <Zakim> +Kostas; got it
12:35:04 <shadi> zakim, who is making noise?
12:35:19 <Zakim> shadi, listening for 14 seconds I heard sound from the following: CarlosV (6%), Samuel (100%), Kostas (9%), Shadi (20%)
12:36:07 <shadi> zakim, who is muted?
12:36:07 <Zakim> I see no one muted
12:36:19 <shadi> zakim, who is muted?
12:36:19 <Zakim> I see no one muted
12:36:32 <cstrobbe> zakim, who is visiting Niagara Falls?
12:36:32 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, cstrobbe.
12:36:54 <shadi> zakim, who is muted?
12:36:54 <Zakim> I see Samuel muted
12:37:01 <Zakim> +??P7
12:37:15 <samuelm> samuelm has joined #er
12:37:22 <shadi> zakim, ? is Philip
12:37:22 <Zakim> +Philip; got it
12:37:37 <shadi> zakim, mute samuelm
12:37:37 <Zakim> sorry, shadi, I do not know which phone connection belongs to samuelm
12:37:42 <shadi> zakim, mute samuel
12:37:42 <Zakim> Samuel was already muted, shadi
12:39:11 <shadi> scribe: Philip
12:39:17 <shadi> scribenick: philipA 
12:39:25 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
12:39:25 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome" taken up [from shadi]
12:42:53 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
12:42:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see Christophe_Strobbe, Shadi, Philip, CarlosV, Samuel (muted), Kostas, Philip.a
12:43:38 <shadi> [round table introductions]
12:49:58 <shadi> zakim, take up next
12:49:58 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Continue processing comments" taken up [from shadi]
12:51:55 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0014.html
12:52:07 <shadi> zakim, who is making noise?
12:52:20 <Zakim> shadi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: CarlosV (95%), Kostas (9%), Shadi (13%)
12:53:35 <carlosV> carlosV has joined #er
12:54:52 <philipA> Philip: naming conflict to object earl:Assertor?
12:55:39 <philipA> Shadi: rdf theoretically make difference between lowercase and uppercase, but practically there could be problems
12:56:36 <philipA> Shadi: best practices would be something like "earl:has....."
12:57:00 <philipA> CarlosV: don't have any preference
12:57:52 <philipA> CarlosV: most consistent approch: use lowercase
12:58:45 <philipA> Christophe: I would not rename it
12:58:56 <kostas> i would like to keep it as it is
12:59:34 <philipA> RESOLUTION: Keep the property name as it is
12:59:53 <carlosV> zakim,mute me
12:59:53 <Zakim> CarlosV should now be muted
12:59:55 <philipA> Shadi: anybody think we should look at other property names?
13:00:07 <shadi> assertedBy
13:00:07 <shadi> subject
13:00:07 <shadi> test
13:00:07 <shadi> result
13:00:07 <shadi> mode
13:00:07 <shadi> mainAssertor
13:00:09 <shadi> outcome
13:00:11 <shadi> pointer
13:00:13 <shadi> info
13:00:43 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0015.html
13:00:48 <carlosV> no revisit
13:03:58 <philipA> Shadi: we did not find a vocabulary that describe Software for our purpose
13:04:37 <philipA> Shadi: just one sentence in the schema and more examples in the guide
13:04:47 <carlosV> zakim,unmute me
13:04:47 <Zakim> CarlosV should no longer be muted
13:05:05 <carlosV> zakim,mute me
13:05:05 <Zakim> CarlosV should now be muted
13:05:08 <kostas> the idea of including more examples it could be nice
13:05:28 <shadi> action: shadi to follow-up with Ed Dumbill about software class for DOAP
13:05:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-129 - Follow-up with Ed Dumbill about software class for DOAP [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2011-08-03].
13:05:47 <carlosV> zakim,unmute me
13:05:47 <Zakim> CarlosV should no longer be muted
13:06:07 <philipA> Kostas: examples in the guide would be ok
13:06:43 <philipA> CarlosV: we need to clarify that
13:07:46 <philipA> RESOLUTION: add one or two sentences to the schema document and some more examples and explanations to the EARL guide
13:07:53 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0016.html
13:10:50 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10/#OutcomeValue
13:11:21 <philipA> Shadi: OutcomeValue class has related instances that could be used
13:11:49 <philipA> Shadi: OutcomeValue class has also different subclasses
13:12:42 <philipA> Shadi: same approach for TestSubject
13:13:54 <philipA> Shadi: maybe add a sentence to clarify what "in addition" means
13:14:09 <philipA> Shadi: again more examples in the guide
13:15:04 <philipA> Shadi: second part of question will be discussed later
13:15:59 <philipA> RESOLUTION: add one or two explaining sentences to the schema document and again more examples and explanations to the guide
13:16:42 <philipA> Shadi: (1) would meet the conformance requirement, (2) would not
13:17:12 <philipA> Shadi: (3) would be a refinement of (1)
13:18:15 <philipA> Shadi: conformance requirement says "testsubject has to be of type TestSubject"
13:20:27 <philipA> Shadi: (3) is ok as long as TestSubject and Software are not disjoint
13:21:08 <philipA> RESOLUTION: add more explanations to the EARL guide
13:21:19 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0017.html
13:21:57 <philipA> Shadi: conflict between schema and guide, because guide is out of date
13:22:49 <philipA> RESOLUTION: accept comments and update EARL guide
13:23:09 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:23:09 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Upcoming meeting schedule" taken up [from shadi]
13:23:31 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/timeline
13:24:31 <philipA> Shadi: publish candidate recommendation in september
13:25:22 <Zakim> -Samuel
13:26:18 <philipA> Shadi: most comments are editorial
13:26:48 <philipA> Christophe: We would like to release the first version of the accessibility checker next month
13:27:42 <philipA> Shadi: would that version implement EARL?
13:27:51 <philipA> Christophe: yes, but EARL reports are only internal
13:28:26 <philipA> Shadi: changes to EARL would mean changes to the tool
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13:29:30 <kostas> Shadi i cannot partcipate on 10th of August
13:29:30 <samuelm> * lost connectivity
13:31:41 <carlosV> ... banana (Groucho)
13:31:48 <philipA> Shadi: web based survey for review and comments
13:32:26 <philipA> Shadi: ...by maybe tuesday next week
13:32:38 <Zakim> -CarlosV
13:32:43 <Zakim> -Philip.a
13:32:50 <Zakim> -Kostas
13:32:58 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:32:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see Christophe_Strobbe, Shadi, Philip
13:33:01 <philipA> philipA has left #er
13:33:10 <shadi> zakim, drip philip
13:33:10 <Zakim> I don't understand 'drip philip', shadi
13:33:15 <shadi> zakim, drop philip
13:33:15 <Zakim> Philip is being disconnected
13:33:17 <Zakim> -Philip
13:52:01 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
13:52:02 <Zakim> -Shadi
13:52:02 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
13:52:03 <Zakim> Attendees were Christophe_Strobbe, Shadi, Philip, CarlosV, +30231125aaaa, Samuel, Kostas
14:06:38 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
14:06:38 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:06:38 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
14:06:39 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:06:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/27-er-minutes.html trackbot
14:06:40 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:06:40 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/27-er-actions.rdf :
14:06:40 <RRSAgent> ACTION: shadi to follow-up with Ed Dumbill about software class for DOAP [1]
14:06:40 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/27-er-irc#T13-05-28