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13:50:48 <kaz> Meeting: Home Networking Task Force Telconf
13:58:10 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-617
13:58:10 <Zakim> ok, kaz; the call is being made
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13:58:13 <Zakim> +Kazuyuki
13:58:23 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
13:58:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki
13:58:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz, Clarke, MattH, trackbot
13:58:30 <Zakim> +??P6
13:58:41 <kaz> zakim, ??P6 is MattH
13:58:41 <Zakim> +MattH; got it
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13:59:38 <kaz> zakim, aaaa is Jerry
13:59:38 <Zakim> +Jerry; got it
13:59:58 <kaz> zaim, ??P8 is Clarke
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14:00:42 <Clarke> zakim, ??P8 is Clarke
14:00:42 <Zakim> +Clarke; got it
14:01:31 <Zakim> + +1.303.503.aabb
14:02:07 <Zakim> +??P18
14:02:17 <kaz> zakim, aabb is Bob
14:02:17 <Zakim> +Bob; got it
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14:02:24 <kaz> zakim, ??P18 is Igarashi
14:02:24 <Zakim> +Igarashi; got it
14:02:27 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
14:02:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, MattH, Jerry, Clarke, Bob, Igarashi
14:02:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see donghyun_kang_, aizu, igarashi, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz, Clarke, MattH, trackbot
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14:04:11 <aizu> Zakim, ??P22 is me
14:04:11 <Zakim> +aizu; got it
14:04:22 <kaz> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2011Jul/0052.html
14:04:37 <kaz> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2011Jul/0051
14:04:42 <Zakim> + +1.503.712.aacc
14:05:15 <kaz> zakim, aacc is Narm
14:05:15 <Zakim> +Narm; got it
14:05:28 <kaz> topic: ISSUE-17
14:05:32 <kaz> issue-17?
14:05:32 <trackbot> ISSUE-17 -- Use Case: Home Network Enabled User-Agent -- raised
14:05:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/17
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14:06:08 <kaz> kaz: let's close this
14:06:11 <kaz> everyone: ok
14:06:16 <kaz> close issue-17
14:06:17 <trackbot> ISSUE-17 Use Case: Home Network Enabled User-Agent closed
14:06:31 <kaz> topic: ISSUE-24
14:06:33 <kaz> issue-24?
14:06:33 <trackbot> ISSUE-24 -- Local Link of web applications -- raised
14:06:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/24
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14:06:57 <Zakim> + +82.26.91.2.aadd
14:07:23 <kaz> zakim, aadd is DongHyun
14:07:23 <Zakim> +DongHyun; got it
14:07:38 <Zakim> + +1.408.356.aaee
14:07:52 <kaz> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2011Jul/0046.html Igarashi's update
14:08:02 <kaz> igarashi: added description on API types
14:08:12 <kaz> ... issue-24 itself is a generic API
14:09:07 <Zakim> -Bob
14:09:15 <kaz> -> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/HNTF/Home_Network_TF_Discussions/LocalLink#Use_Case:_Local_Link_of_Web_Applications ISSUE-24 description
14:09:37 <kaz> kaz: is the wiki description also updated?
14:09:40 <kaz> igarashi: yes
14:10:42 <Zakim> +Bob
14:10:50 <kaz> kaz: do you want to include the information on ISSUE-9 and Opera's API proposal
14:11:06 <kaz> s/proposal/proposal in the wiki description as well?/
14:11:27 <kaz> igarashi: no, it's just additional explanation on what "generic API" means
14:11:48 <kaz> kaz: any opinion?
14:12:05 <kaz> ... if no objection, let's accept this proposal ISSUE-24
14:12:21 <kaz> RESOLUTION: accept ISSUE-24
14:13:31 <kaz> zakim, aaee is Richard
14:13:31 <Zakim> +Richard; got it
14:13:54 <kaz> topic: MattH's proposals
14:14:15 <kaz> matt: would like to start with 20
14:14:18 <kaz> issue-20?
14:14:18 <trackbot> ISSUE-20 -- TV Querying and Control -- raised
14:14:18 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/20
14:14:39 <kaz> matt: restructured the issue
14:15:31 <kaz> ... possible interaction scenario is included
14:15:44 <kaz> ... JavaScript level API proposal for discussion as well
14:16:14 <MattH> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/HNTF/Home_Network_TF_Discussions/TVControl
14:17:34 <kaz> s/http/-> http/
14:17:49 <kaz> s/TVControl/TVControl Wiki description of ISSUE-20/
14:18:02 <kaz> matt: (describes the detail of the proposal)
14:19:17 <Clarke> q+
14:19:17 <kaz> jerry: trying to understan
14:19:22 <kaz> s/understan/understand/
14:19:35 <kaz> ... target of the application which execute the API
14:19:44 <kaz> ... how to know where to execute APIs?
14:20:00 <kaz> ... home network devices could have a gateway
14:20:48 <kaz> ... server needs to know where to get the content from
14:21:25 <kaz> matt: the intention is implementing APIs as JavaScript and use from Web browsers
14:21:45 <kaz> ... what content is available where is an issue
14:22:11 <kaz> ... suppose DLNA terminology, media rendering device?
14:22:52 <kaz> jerry: I think what you're saying is a TV device
14:22:57 <kaz> matt: could be a TV device
14:23:06 <kaz> ... or a desktop browser
14:24:12 <kaz> jerry: target of the API is a processing engine that has capability of discovering
14:24:49 <kaz> ... being discovered by the browser
14:25:00 <kaz> ... and capable of executing the APIs
14:25:30 <kaz> s/of discovering//
14:25:49 <kaz> ... and that can describe what devices are/
14:26:05 <kaz> igarashi: in this scenario, application is rather a device
14:26:29 <kaz> ... but application is running on devices
14:26:35 <kaz> matt: will update the text
14:26:40 <Clarke> q?
14:27:31 <kaz> igarashi: this service-specific API is supported by the TV as well?
14:27:56 <kaz> matt: the API could be supported by TV if it can process JavaScript
14:28:00 <kaz> ack c
14:28:11 <kaz> clarke: your suggestion is higher level API
14:28:19 <kaz> ... list of functions
14:28:21 <kaz> ... right?
14:28:26 <kaz> matt: yes
14:28:27 <Clarke> q-
14:28:47 <kaz> igarashi: in scenario 1, there are several options
14:29:24 <kaz> ... maybe you should not use sequence number, but should use non-ordered list
14:30:02 <kaz> ... the first step "The application discovers..." should be done first, though
14:30:06 <kaz> matt: will change
14:30:17 <kaz> bob: a question
14:30:21 <kaz> ... level of APIs
14:30:39 <kaz> ... high-level APIs is useful
14:30:57 <kaz> ... but what level of APIs should be used?
14:31:24 <kaz> matt: there is ability for application
14:31:27 <Clarke> q+
14:32:30 <kaz> bob: we started a high-level APIs within AT&T, and would like to know how to cover the other implementations
14:32:54 <kaz> ... need more sofisticated kind of APIs?
14:33:15 <kaz> matt: if you have information to share with me, would be appreciated
14:33:55 <kaz> bob: agree the trade-off
14:34:24 <kaz> ... but how much task is expected for a User Agent?
14:34:39 <kaz> q?
14:35:24 <kaz> ... clarke's paper will be soon available
14:35:52 <kaz> clarke: if we do something Bob suggested, i.e., lower-level APIs implementable
14:36:07 <kaz> ... any preference from W3C viewpoint?
14:37:26 <Clarke> q-
14:37:30 <kaz> kaz: both levels would be welcome and useful
14:37:53 <kaz> ... our proposals should go to the other WGs, e.g., DeviceAPIs and WebApps
14:38:40 <kaz> ... if they don't work very well for our proposals, we should create yet another WG :)
14:38:44 <kaz> q?
14:39:13 <kaz> action: hammonds to update issue-20
14:39:13 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - hammonds
14:39:21 <kaz> action: matt to update issue-20
14:39:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-56 - Update issue-20 [on Matt Hammond - due 2011-08-02].
14:39:37 <kaz> igarashi: comment on scenario 2
14:40:08 <kaz> ... specific program?
14:40:24 <kaz> matt: question on step 2
14:40:29 <kaz> s/2/2?/
14:40:33 <kaz> igarashi: yes
14:40:47 <kaz> matt: list of content available could be provided
14:41:07 <kaz> ... and we could ask the TV which program is available now
14:41:21 <kaz> igarashi: ok
14:41:40 <Zakim> -Bob
14:42:00 <kaz> kaz: igarashi, do you want clarification in scenario 2?
14:42:30 <kaz> igarashi: "application query" would be easier to understand?
14:42:36 <kaz> matt: will use the term
14:43:09 <MattH> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/HNTF/Home_Network_TF_Discussions/MediaIdentification
14:43:18 <kaz> topic: ISSUE-19
14:43:21 <kaz> issue-19?
14:43:21 <trackbot> ISSUE-19 -- Media Identification -- raised
14:43:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/19
14:44:12 <kaz> matt: content identifier
14:44:50 <kaz> ... hopefully more clear
14:45:00 <kaz> ... related to part of issue-20
14:45:15 <kaz> q?
14:45:24 <kaz> q?
14:45:26 <kaz> q+
14:46:27 <kaz> kaz: do you think a specific URI could be used?
14:46:37 <kaz> matt: a URI is a possibility
14:46:51 <kaz> ... BBC would like to include URI style identifier
14:47:37 <kaz> ... some provider might use different kind of identifier on some platform
14:48:00 <kaz> kaz: can we accept this proposal?
14:48:11 <kaz> everybody: no objections
14:48:23 <kaz> RESOLUTION: ISSUE-19 is accepted
14:48:41 <MattH> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/HNTF/Home_Network_TF_Discussions/TimeSynchronisation
14:48:56 <kaz> topic: ISSUE-21
14:48:58 <kaz> issue-21?
14:48:58 <trackbot> ISSUE-21 -- Time synchronisation -- raised
14:48:58 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/21
14:49:14 <kaz> matt: have no time to update this...
14:49:30 <kaz> ... (explains the proposal)
14:50:08 <kaz> ... similar to issue-19, any high-level APIs could be supported rather than application-specific APIs
14:50:45 <kaz> kaz: you'll update the description, and we should talk about this next week?
14:50:49 <kaz> matt: yes
14:51:21 <kaz> kaz: no more proposals for today?
14:51:23 <kaz> matt: no
14:51:41 <Zakim> -Richard
14:51:47 <Zakim> -Narm
14:51:49 <Zakim> -Clarke
14:51:56 <kaz> kaz: any other topics?
14:51:56 <Zakim> -Jerry
14:51:57 <Zakim> -MattH
14:51:57 <Zakim> -aizu
14:52:01 <kaz> everybody: no
14:52:03 <Zakim> -Igarashi
14:52:05 <Zakim> -DongHyun
14:52:18 <kaz> kaz: ok. let's adjourn this call and talk with you all next week
14:52:36 <kaz> ... Giuseppe will be also available next week
14:52:42 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
14:52:43 <kaz> [ adjourned ]
14:52:44 <Zakim> UW_WebTVIG(Home Net)10:00AM has ended
14:52:46 <Zakim> Attendees were Kazuyuki, MattH, +1.703.234.aaaa, Jerry, Clarke, +1.303.503.aabb, Bob, Igarashi, aizu, +1.503.712.aacc, Narm, +82.26.91.2.aadd, DongHyun, +1.408.356.aaee, Richard
14:53:23 <kaz> Present: Kazuyuki, MattH, Jerry, Clarke, Igarashi, aizu, Narm, DongHyun, Richard, Bob
14:54:08 <kaz> Chair: Kaz
14:54:12 <kaz> Scribe: Kaz
14:54:28 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
14:54:33 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:54:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/26-webtv-minutes.html kaz
14:56:02 <kaz> s/sofisticated/sophisticated/
14:56:05 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:56:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/26-webtv-minutes.html kaz
14:57:47 <kaz> Regrets: Giuseppe, Francois
14:57:50 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:57:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/26-webtv-minutes.html kaz
14:59:31 <kaz> s/MattH's proposals/ISSUE-20/
14:59:34 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:59:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/26-webtv-minutes.html kaz
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