IRC log of sparql on 2011-07-26

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Zakim, this will be 77277

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ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

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Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 26 July 2011

13:56:50 [AxelPolleres]

agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-07-26

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chair: Axel Polleres

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SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started

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+??P5

13:57:38 [NickH]

Zakim, ??P5 is me

13:57:38 [Zakim]

+NickH; got it

13:57:53 [NickH]

Zakim, mute me

13:57:53 [Zakim]

sorry, NickH, muting is not permitted when only one person is present

13:57:57 [NickH]

heh

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+ +1.310.729.aaaa

13:59:06 [NickH]

Zakim, mute me

13:59:06 [Zakim]

NickH should now be muted

13:59:08 [kasei]

Zakim, aaaa is me

13:59:08 [Zakim]

+kasei; got it

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+ +49.897.aabb

13:59:45 [NickH]

I can here you

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hear

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Zakim, aabb is probably me

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+AxelPolleres?; got it

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+??P12

14:00:08 [Zakim]

+??P15

14:00:11 [cbuilara]

zakim, ??P12 is me

14:00:11 [Zakim]

+cbuilara; got it

14:00:11 [AndyS]

zakim, ??P12 is me

14:00:13 [Zakim]

I already had ??P12 as cbuilara, AndyS

14:00:19 [AxelPolleres]

Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:00:20 [Zakim]

On the phone I see NickH (muted), kasei, AxelPolleres?, cbuilara, ??P15

14:00:22 [AndyS]

zakim, ??P15 is me

14:00:22 [Zakim]

+AndyS; got it

14:00:24 [Zakim]

-cbuilara

14:00:39 [AndyS]

OK

14:00:45 [AndyS]

scribenick: AndyS

14:00:50 [Zakim]

+ +1.603.897.aacc

14:00:54 [Zakim]

-kasei

14:01:05 [MattPerry]

zakim, aacc is me

14:01:05 [Zakim]

+MattPerry; got it

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14:01:39 [AxelPolleres]

Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:01:39 [Zakim]

On the phone I see NickH (muted), AxelPolleres?, AndyS, MattPerry

14:01:50 [Zakim]

+??P9

14:01:55 [SteveH__]

Zakim, ??P9 is me

14:01:55 [Zakim]

+SteveH__; got it

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+kasei

14:02:18 [Zakim]

+ +3539149aadd

14:02:26 [alex_]

Zakim, +3539149aadd is me

14:02:26 [Zakim]

+alex_; got it

14:02:28 [AxelPolleres]

scribenick: steveH

14:02:31 [AndyS]

scribenick: SteveH__

14:02:59 [Zakim]

+??P16

14:03:04 [cbuilara]

zakim, ??P16 is me

14:03:04 [Zakim]

+cbuilara; got it

14:03:06 [SteveH__]

AxelPolleres: admin, Lee will be late

14:03:28 [SteveH]

… regrets: birte, greg

14:03:31 [kasei]

spotty connection.

14:03:38 [kasei]

but here just this moment.

14:03:38 [AndyS]

scribenick: SteveH

14:03:39 [AxelPolleres]

regrets: Olivier, Birte, Lee

14:03:53 [SteveH]

… admin issues.

14:03:58 [AxelPolleres]

PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-07-12

14:04:15 [AxelPolleres]

Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:04:15 [Zakim]

On the phone I see NickH (muted), AxelPolleres?, AndyS, MattPerry, SteveH__, kasei, alex_, cbuilara

14:04:21 [Zakim]

+pgearon

14:04:37 [SteveH]

Zakim, SteveH__ is me

14:04:37 [Zakim]

+SteveH; got it

14:04:57 [AxelPolleres]

RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-07-12

14:05:16 [SteveH]

AxelPolleres: scribe for next meeting, paul

14:05:34 [SteveH]

pgearon: on holiday next week

14:06:10 [AxelPolleres]

birte should be back

14:06:19 [SteveH]

AxelPolleres: scribe for next meeting, birte

14:06:47 [SteveH]

… publications

14:06:55 [SteveH]

… decide today about publication of drafts

14:07:13 [SteveH]

… tsv-csv-results and json-results

14:07:29 [SteveH]

… json-results should be in last call shape, tsv/csv in shape for FPWD

14:07:41 [SteveH]

… fed query needs more discussion

14:07:47 [Zakim]

-alex_

14:08:05 [SteveH]

… tsv/csv comments?

14:08:08 [SteveH]

q+

14:08:20 [AndyS]

q+

14:08:26 [AxelPolleres]

go ahead steve

14:08:29 [Zakim]

+alex_

14:08:43 [AndyS]

ack SteveH

14:08:49 [alexpassant]

Zakim, +alex_ is me

14:08:49 [Zakim]

sorry, alexpassant, I do not recognize a party named '+alex_'

14:09:40 [SteveH]

AndyS: tsv/csv - ready for FPWD, but still some editorial stuff, but better to publish (as WD) now

14:09:41 [AndyS]

ack me

14:09:42 [SteveH]

+1

14:10:04 [SteveH]

AxelPolleres: anything on json results?

14:10:16 [AndyS]

SteveH - could you email the list with comments and I'll see if i can deal with them ASAP or post pub

14:10:19 [AxelPolleres]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/json-results/json-results-lc.html

14:10:27 [AxelPolleres]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/csv-tsv-results/results-csv-tsv.html

14:10:29 [SteveH]

AndyS, I already did, ages ago

14:10:36 [SteveH]

AndyS, I think you dealt with them

14:11:07 [SteveH]

AxelPolleres: ask w3c team about dates, any comments?

14:11:26 [AndyS]

Ok - I believe I'm up-to-date - just need to add header mandatory in CVS (if not already done) Can't remember - will check cvs log

14:11:44 [AndyS]

+1 to publish both

14:11:47 [SteveH]

+1

14:12:02 [AxelPolleres]

ACTION: Axel to inquire at W3C team on next possible pub date.

14:12:03 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-499 - Inquire at W3C team on next possible pub date. [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-08-02].

14:12:50 [AxelPolleres]

PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/csv-tsv-results/results-csv-tsv.html as FPWD at http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-results-csv-tsv/ at next possible publication date (ie. pending completion of . ACTION4-99)

14:12:56 [SteveH]

seconded

14:13:21 [AxelPolleres]

s/4-99/-499/

14:13:38 [SteveH]

+1 [Garlik]

14:13:44 [NickH]

+1 [BBC]

14:13:44 [AndyS]

+1 [Apache Software Foundation]

14:13:47 [alexpassant]

+1 [DERI]

14:13:49 [pgearon]

+1 [Revelytix]

14:13:50 [kasei]

+1 [RPI]

14:13:51 [cbuilara]

+1 [UPM]

14:13:55 [MattPerry]

+1

14:14:13 [MattPerry]

[Oracle]

14:14:45 [AxelPolleres]

RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/csv-tsv-results/results-csv-tsv.html as FPWD at http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-results-csv-tsv/ at next possible publication date (ie. pending completion of . ACTION-499)

14:16:10 [SteveH]

AxelPolleres: JSON results format.

14:16:12 [AxelPolleres]

PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/json-results/json-results-lc.html as LC WD at http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-results-json/ (ie. pending completion of ACTION-499)

14:16:54 [AndyS]

+1 [Apache Software Foundation]

14:16:56 [pgearon]

+1 [Revelytix]

14:17:03 [SteveH]

+1 [Garlik]

14:17:03 [kasei]

+1 [RPI]

14:17:04 [MattPerry]

+1 [Oracle]

14:17:06 [alexpassant]

+1 [DERI]

14:17:09 [cbuilara]

+1 [UPM]

14:17:09 [NickH]

+1 [BBC]

14:17:23 [SteveH]

I have some small reservations that it's not the right thing, but it's quite widely implemented

14:17:43 [kasei]

that html document says both "Editor's Draft" and "Working Draft" (?)

14:17:50 [AxelPolleres]

RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/json-results/json-results-lc.html as LC WD at http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-results-json/ (ie. pending completion of ACTION-499)

14:18:04 [SteveH]

AxelPolleres: aim to publish these two together

14:18:06 [AndyS]

SteveH - pls let me know the reservations sometime.

14:18:10 [SteveH]

… Fed Query document

14:18:41 [SteveH]

cbuilara: comments about service with variables, there was a mistake in the semantics

14:18:52 [SteveH]

… not possible to have a variables bound

14:19:05 [SteveH]

… suggested to add [something]

14:19:22 [SteveH]

… working on informative section

14:20:26 [NickH]

yes, better

14:20:36 [NickH]

little bit of an echo

14:20:55 [SteveH]

… moving service to the last section, if everyone agrees

14:21:12 [SteveH]

… will continue formatting

14:22:13 [SteveH]

AxelPolleres: do we have uncommitted changes

14:22:16 [SteveH]

cbuilara: yes

14:22:26 [SteveH]

… I can't commit the last stuff

14:22:32 [SteveH]

AxelPolleres: please commit

14:22:54 [AxelPolleres]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/fed/service.xml

14:23:28 [AndyS]

Beware of mirrors: "26-Jul-2011 14:22 45K"

14:24:45 [SteveH]

AxelPolleres: concern about example using SERVICE and BINDINGs

14:25:03 [SteveH]

… idea is that impl. could rewrite during execution, using BINDINGS

14:25:12 [SteveH]

using subquery to remote servoce

14:25:17 [cbuilara]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011JulSep/0025.html

14:25:18 [kasei]

this is action 462 which is marked as "to be added post LC"

14:26:39 [SteveH]

AxelPolleres: can someone review §2.4 and §4?

14:26:46 [SteveH]

… then we can go for publication next week

14:26:55 [SteveH]

… we could leave out §2.4 if there are concerns

14:27:43 [SteveH]

… any objections to making §2.4 informative, so we're not as strictly bound by LC restrictions

14:27:58 [SteveH]

AndyS: if we could change the example that would be goo, might be confusing to readers

14:28:13 [SteveH]

AxelPolleres: I proposed different example

14:28:24 [SteveH]

AndyS: will try and look at proposal

14:28:49 [SteveH]

AxelPolleres: carlos, write email to group. will have 2+ people review it for LC readiness

14:28:58 [AndyS]

I can try to review doc when Carlos says it's ready but it's "at risk" for next week.

14:29:50 [AxelPolleres]

ACTION: Andy to review updates in Fed query doc (particularly section 2.4 and 4) for LC readiness

14:29:50 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-500 - Review updates in Fed query doc (particularly section 2.4 and 4) for LC readiness [on Andy Seaborne - due 2011-08-02].

14:30:05 [SteveH]

call for volunteers

14:30:23 [AxelPolleres]

Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:30:23 [Zakim]

On the phone I see NickH (muted), AxelPolleres?, AndyS, MattPerry, SteveH, kasei, cbuilara, pgearon, alex_

14:30:23 [AndyS]

zakim, Pick a victim

14:30:25 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose alex_

14:30:32 [NickH]

sorry, federation

14:30:35 [NickH]

is not my thing

14:30:49 [SteveH]

Zakim, who's talking?

14:30:57 [AndyS]

:-) Alex -- blame the bots for everything

14:31:01 [Zakim]

SteveH, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: AxelPolleres? (86%), AndyS (50%), alex_ (19%)

14:31:06 [AxelPolleres]

ACTION: Alex to review updates in Fed query doc (particularly section 2.4 and 4) for LC readiness

14:31:06 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-501 - Review updates in Fed query doc (particularly section 2.4 and 4) for LC readiness [on Alexandre Passant - due 2011-08-02].

14:31:13 [AxelPolleres]

ACTION: Axel to review updates in Fed query doc (particularly section 2.4 and 4) for LC readiness

14:31:13 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-502 - Review updates in Fed query doc (particularly section 2.4 and 4) for LC readiness [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-08-02].

14:31:51 [SteveH]

AxelPolleres: carlos, it would be good if you were ready to resolve concerns with reviewrs

14:32:11 [SteveH]

… one point: errata

14:32:17 [SteveH]

… not sure how we handle that

14:32:37 [SteveH]

… we have particularly on XML result format, which we decided not to update

14:32:42 [SteveH]

… found issues, on errata page

14:32:48 [AxelPolleres]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/SPARQL_Errata#SPARQL_XML_Results

14:32:54 [SteveH]

… I hope this is complete

14:33:08 [SteveH]

… some things on protocol, XML results

14:33:17 [AndyS]

q+

14:33:17 [SteveH]

… do we need to publish errata for query 1.0? I guess not

14:34:03 [SteveH]

… for the process of errata we need to collect them in a certain format, then decide what to publish

14:34:18 [SteveH]

… we need an errata page for results format, and no sure about query 1.0

14:34:45 [SteveH]

AndyS: there are two kinds of errata, ones for doc in progress, we can just make changes. ones were not publishing, we need to pub errata

14:35:09 [AxelPolleres]

http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-XMLres/

14:35:17 [AxelPolleres]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/XMLres-errata

14:35:23 [SteveH]

AxelPolleres, there's an errata link there, which is just empty

14:35:26 [SteveH]

… but it's a template

14:35:38 [SteveH]

… need to action someone to do it

14:35:43 [AndyS]

Tricky bit is http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-XMLres/result-to-html.xsl -- can we just change it in place?

14:35:44 [SteveH]

… then approve it

14:36:34 [SteveH]

AxelPolleres: I will contact sandro about that

14:36:50 [AxelPolleres]

ACTION: Axel to contaxt sandro on whether we're allowed to change xsl in place in the course of errata

14:36:50 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-503 - Contaxt sandro on whether we're allowed to change xsl in place in the course of errata [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-08-02].

14:37:18 [SteveH]

… we need a volunteer to look at errata format page, and update w.r.t items collected on wiki page

14:37:39 [AxelPolleres]

We need someone to volunteer to incorporate http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/SPARQL_Errata#SPARQL_XML_Results into http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/XMLres-errata

14:37:51 [AxelPolleres]

Zakim, pick a victim

14:37:51 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose alex_

14:37:56 [AndyS]

!!!!!!!!!

14:37:59 [alexpassant]

:) no !!!

14:38:02 [AxelPolleres]

Zakim, pick a victim

14:38:02 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose kasei

14:38:19 [kasei]

Not in the next ~10 days, but afterwards.

14:39:15 [AxelPolleres]

ACTION: Greg to incorporate http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/SPARQL_Errata#SPARQL_XML_Results into http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/XMLres-errata

14:39:15 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-504 - Incorporate http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/SPARQL_Errata#SPARQL_XML_Results into http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/XMLres-errata [on Gregory Williams - due 2011-08-02].

14:40:21 [AxelPolleres]

topic: action review

14:40:33 [AxelPolleres]

please complete test case coverage actions bz next week!

14:40:35 [AndyS]

The ACTION-498 is done by http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Jul/0006

14:41:12 [AxelPolleres]

close ACTION-498

14:41:12 [trackbot]

ACTION-498 Contact Sebastian Conca on how to proceed with his comment. closed

14:41:45 [SteveH]

AxelPolleres: all actions should be for next week

14:41:58 [SteveH]

… review action for Lee is still open, but he has no objection to publish

14:42:12 [SteveH]

… one action open on greg, review [something]

14:42:20 [kasei]

q+

14:42:24 [AndyS]

ack me

14:42:30 [SteveH]

… same action as reviewing fed query last changes

14:42:46 [SteveH]

kasei: I don't that action is the same

14:42:58 [SteveH]

… it was specifically about text for using BINDINGS

14:43:25 [SteveH]

AxelPolleres: if you could have a look before next telecon it would be good

14:43:31 [SteveH]

… not mission critical

14:43:59 [LeeF]

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14:44:00 [SteveH]

… carlos, will you tackle that next? some open action on you about a section for testcases

14:44:13 [SteveH]

cbuilara: wrote a small thing about that

14:44:26 [SteveH]

AxelPolleres: incorporate it directly into the README.html document

14:45:02 [Zakim]

+ +1.617.553.aaee

14:45:07 [LeeF]

zakim, aaee is me

14:45:07 [Zakim]

+LeeF; got it

14:46:07 [SteveH]

cbuilara: I know that document

14:46:36 [SteveH]

AxelPolleres: ACTION-486 is basically done

14:46:48 [AxelPolleres]

ACTION-486 ... http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/SPARQL11_and_RDF11

14:47:06 [SteveH]

… is there any more things which need to go in?

14:47:13 [SteveH]

… I'm not really able to follow it

14:47:19 [SteveH]

… how should we proceed?

14:47:54 [SteveH]

… no distinction with literals without a language tag, and xsd:String literals

14:48:12 [SteveH]

AndyS: current proposal is the lang tag literals may have a class, but no DT

14:48:29 [SteveH]

AxelPolleres: functions and BGP matching will be affected

14:48:44 [SteveH]

… SD may also need to have something in the note, to indicate support

14:49:12 [SteveH]

… last thing is entailment regimes, think we need to reflect the non-distinction between plain lit and string lit

14:49:25 [SteveH]

… if you have something, feel free to edit this doc

14:49:45 [SteveH]

LeeF: I'll do the result format thing, for wiki page

14:49:51 [SteveH]

AxelPolleres: great

14:50:09 [SteveH]

LeeF: you SHOULD/should not output xsd:string as a datatype

14:50:34 [AxelPolleres]

ACRTION: Lee to add a section on result formats in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/SPARQL11_and_RDF11

14:50:50 [LeeF]

ACTION: Lee to add a section on result formats in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/SPARQL11_and_RDF11

14:50:51 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-505 - Add a section on result formats in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/SPARQL11_and_RDF11 [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-08-02].

14:50:52 [SteveH]

AxelPolleres: how can we proceed in populating this doc

14:51:14 [SteveH]

AndyS: I think it's getting on ok, but we need RDF-WG to give itself a fixed target, meetings every 2 weeks over summer, moving slowly

14:51:33 [SteveH]

… from the p.o.v. we can't go faster than them, lets keep it ticking along, but not urgency

14:51:50 [SteveH]

AxelPolleres: we don't have an official liaison, we could have it as part of admin issues

14:52:00 [SteveH]

… along with other liaisons

14:52:08 [SteveH]

… put it in official agenda

14:52:45 [AxelPolleres]

ACTION: axel to put "liaison" in next agenda draft.

14:52:45 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-506 - Put "liaison" in next agenda draft. [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-08-02].

14:53:12 [AndyS]

ready for review: got one so far from Steve (thx): http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:KD-1

14:53:39 [LeeF]

I'm happy with KD-1 response

14:53:46 [SteveH]

AxelPolleres: one typo, provide / provides

14:55:19 [SteveH]

Zakim, who's speaking

14:55:19 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'who's speaking', SteveH

14:55:21 [SteveH]

Zakim, who's speaking?

14:55:33 [Zakim]

SteveH, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds

14:56:29 [SteveH]

AxelPolleres: several comments from michael schneider, will ask birte if she's willing to look

14:56:59 [SteveH]

… next time, would like to get back to test cases, please strive to complete relevant actions

14:57:09 [SteveH]

… publication of fed query

14:57:24 [SteveH]

AJOURNED

14:57:31 [Zakim]

-kasei

14:57:32 [Zakim]

-MattPerry

14:57:32 [Zakim]

-alex_

14:57:35 [AndyS]

bye all

14:57:38 [MattPerry]

bye

14:57:38 [SteveH]

bye

14:57:39 [Zakim]

-AndyS

14:57:41 [Zakim]

-cbuilara

14:57:43 [Zakim]

-pgearon

14:57:45 [NickH]

Bye!

14:57:45 [Zakim]

-SteveH

14:57:48 [Zakim]

-LeeF

14:57:54 [alex_]

alex_ has joined #sparql

14:57:55 [Zakim]

-NickH

14:58:08 [AxelPolleres]

Steve, will you take care of publishing thr minutes?

14:58:10 [SteveH]

LeeF/AxelPolleres, can you remember how to make minutes?

14:58:30 [AxelPolleres]

http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/manual.html

14:58:35 [SteveH]

thanks

14:58:52 [SteveH]

rrsagent, make records public

14:59:03 [AxelPolleres]

http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/panel/ --> quite self-explanatory

14:59:10 [AxelPolleres]

thnks again for scribing, talk next week

14:59:20 [Zakim]

-AxelPolleres?

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15:07:50 [SteveH]

AxelPolleres, I think http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-07-26 is done

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