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13:54:46 <Norm> zakim, this will be html-xml
13:54:46 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, Norm
13:54:50 <Norm> zakim, list confierences
13:54:50 <Zakim> I don't understand 'list confierences', Norm
13:54:52 <Norm> zakim, list conferences
13:54:52 <Zakim> I see Team_(WoodsMtg)8:00AM, Team_(wf)13:02Z active
13:54:53 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are MWI_BPWG()9:30AM, XML_XSLWG(XSLT)8:00AM, TAG_(AWWSW)9:00AM, UW_WebTVIG(Home Net)10:00AM, T&S_XMLSEC()10:00AM, XML_QueryWG(MAPS)8:00AM,
13:54:57 <Zakim> ... XML_SchemaW(XSD 1.1)8:00AM, XML_(TAG TF)10:00AM, WS_SOAP-JM()10:00AM, SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM, WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)9:00AM, IA_Team()10:00AM, VB_VBWG()10:00AM, Team_(MEET)10:00AM
13:55:03 <Norm> zakim, this will be XML_(TAG TF)
13:55:03 <Zakim> ok, Norm; I see XML_(TAG TF)10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
13:55:46 <Norm> Norm has changed the topic to: HTML/XML TF meets today http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/2011/07/26-agenda (Norm)
13:56:04 <Norm> Meeting: HTML/XML Task Force
13:56:04 <Norm> Date: 26 July 2011
13:56:04 <Norm> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/2011/06/28-agenda
13:56:04 <Norm> Meeting: 10
13:56:04 <Norm> Chair: Norm
13:56:05 <Norm> Scribe: Norm
13:56:07 <Norm> ScribeNick: Norm
13:56:23 <anne> I will attend over IRC
13:58:07 <Norm> Ok, anne, I'll try to keep the IRC clear
13:58:33 <Norm> anne, did you see anything in the recent email threads that you felt was actionable by the TF?
13:59:09 <darobin> I'll have to be attending over IRC as well
13:59:35 <darobin> I don't think that there was much of an actionable nature, no
13:59:36 <Norm> Ok, darobin. Maybe we'll all just attend by IRC :-/
13:59:48 <darobin> heh :) Sorry about that, in theory I'm on vacation
13:59:58 <Norm> well, thanks for even looking at IRC then :-)
14:00:03 <darobin> and with many children sleeping around me, I can't get on the phone
14:00:07 <Zakim> XML_(TAG TF)10:00AM has now started
14:00:13 <Zakim> + +1.858.246.aaaa
14:00:15 <anne> Norm, I was a bit confused with Robert's emails
14:00:17 <Norm> zakim, what's the passcode?
14:00:17 <Zakim> the conference code is 9483 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Norm
14:00:23 <darobin> it's a good reason to get away from the beach and all that horrible sun thing
14:00:25 <Zakim> +Norm
14:00:37 <Norm> zakim, aaaa is bob_leif
14:00:37 <Zakim> +bob_leif; got it
14:00:38 <anne> Norm, and the expectations of Larry are not entirely clear to me either
14:00:52 <darobin> I think that Larry wanted clarifications but I can't seem to figure out what it is that he wants to clarify
14:01:01 <darobin> right, what anne said
14:02:23 <Bob> Bob has joined #html-xml
14:02:53 <Norm> zakim, bob_leif is bob
14:02:53 <Zakim> +bob; got it
14:03:01 <Zakim> +??P21
14:03:09 <Norm> zakim, ??p21 is hsivonen
14:03:09 <Zakim> +hsivonen; got it
14:03:41 <hsivonen> sorry about my noise level
14:04:13 <Norm> no problem, hsivonen, thanks for dialing in
14:04:17 <hsivonen> also apologies for only having 45 min instead of 60
14:04:24 <Norm> Regrets: Noah, Mike Champion
14:04:37 <Norm> ok. I bet we don't have more than 45 minutes of work anyway
14:04:45 <Norm> Anne and Robin attending by IRC
14:04:56 <Norm> Topic: Accept this agenda?
14:04:56 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/2011/07/26-agenda
14:05:04 <darobin> +1
14:05:08 <Norm> Accepted
14:05:15 <Norm> Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
14:05:15 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/2011/06/28-minutes
14:05:24 <Norm> Accepted.
14:05:42 <Norm> Topic: Next meeting 9 Aug 2011
14:05:47 <Norm> Anyone have to give regrets?
14:05:53 <Norm> None heard
14:05:59 <Norm> Topic: TPAC meeting
14:06:20 <Norm> Norm: TPAC is meeting in October, is there any interest in even a brief 2f2 meeting if we're still active in October?
14:06:34 <darobin> [sorry, was afk, I'm regrets until September]
14:06:55 <darobin> isn't TPAC in November?
14:07:12 <Norm> Bob: I'd be interested if it could start after 1:00 so that I could fly in and out on the same day.
14:07:28 <Norm> ACK. TPAC is in November!
14:07:33 <Norm> thank you, darobin
14:07:50 <darobin> I would be interested in a short session, but I'm chairing DAP Thu-Fri
14:07:58 <darobin> (assuming DAP still exists by then ;)
14:08:18 <Norm> Norm: I'm not saying we have to have a meeting, but if we'll all be there anyway.
14:08:35 <Norm> Norm: Ok, I'll leave it on the table as a possibility and we'll decide when we get closer.
14:08:46 <Norm> Topic: Review of latest snapshot draft.
14:08:52 <hsivonen> unfortunately, I don't know if I'll be at TPAC
14:08:55 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/snapshot/
14:09:01 <Norm> Norm: Apologies, this wasn't actually on the agenda.
14:09:16 <Norm> ...But after our last meeting, I attempted to implement our decisions and republished a draft.
14:09:22 <Norm> ...Is there anyone who has not had time to look at that draft?
14:09:23 <darobin> [if we have a meeting, I'd suggest perhaps doing so with the TAG on Monday]
14:09:56 <Norm> Norm: Is there anyone who thinks I misrepresented our decisions?
14:10:46 <Norm> None heard.
14:11:05 <anne> looks good
14:11:28 <darobin> are we going to publish this under a specific form or will it remain as a snapshot?
14:11:33 <anne> meeting at TPAC seems fine; I might be on vacation Aug 9 but I do not know yet
14:11:47 <anne> can a TF publish?
14:11:55 <darobin> its owner group can
14:12:02 <Norm> Anne, I think TAG has to publish.
14:12:18 <darobin> the TAG can publish findings, draft findings, and IIRC Notes
14:12:32 <anne> ok
14:13:44 <hsivonen> the edits to the report look ok
14:14:36 <Norm> Some discussion of schema validation which is perhaps a bit tangential
14:15:14 <hsivonen> q+
14:15:37 <Norm> ack hsivonen
14:16:04 <Norm> Topic: Recent email threads
14:17:01 <Norm> Norm: I reviewed the recent threads and beyond a few vague requests for greater clarity and some arguments that seemed to get resolved, I didn't find much that felt actionable.
14:17:17 <Norm> ...Did anyone else see any comments they feel we must address?
14:18:57 <darobin> no, but I'd like to have more clarity on the clarification requests
14:19:24 <darobin> if possible without having to demonstrate everything from first principles :)
14:20:09 <Norm> No one suggests any.
14:20:28 <Norm> Bob: I don't think we have enough detail in the report.
14:20:37 <Norm> Bob: Is it our job to provide that detail.
14:20:58 <Norm> Norm: I think we'd benefit from a few specific examples mailed to the list.
14:21:12 <Norm> Norm: No one has suggested anything actionable in the recent email.
14:21:41 <Norm> Norm: I wonder if we should ask the TAG to publish this as a Note so that it has real standing, not just an editorial snapshot.
14:21:52 <Norm> Bob: I'd be happy with that providing we ask were do we go from here.
14:21:52 <hsivonen> q+
14:21:56 <Norm> ack hsivonen
14:22:19 <darobin> publishing might get us broader feedback
14:22:45 <Norm> Henri: It seems to me that Larry was asking for really broad things. Can we decide that we're not going to write a long answer to Larry. It's not clear to me if that was a question of personal understanding or devils advocacy. Can we assume that the issues are pretty much known?
14:23:33 <Norm> Norm: I think we'll have to address that to get the TAG to publish, but I agree that we don't want to make a great, long exposition from first principles.
14:23:56 <Norm> Norm: I think the question is, is there anyhing we as a task force want to change about the document before we make it officially public.
14:24:01 <Norm> s/anyhing/anything/
14:24:53 <Norm> Henri: To me it looks like the report is ready for publication, but I'd like to read it again.
14:25:02 <Norm> Norm: Thank you, Henri.
14:25:40 <Norm> Norm: I've been asked to report back to the TAG in early September. I propose that at that meeting, I will request pubication. If anyone sees anything between now and then that they think needs to be addressed, please send it to the list.
14:26:38 <Norm> Norm: Anyone have any problems with that approach?
14:26:41 <Norm> Henri: Sounds good to me.
14:26:43 <anne> I agree with hsivonen
14:26:51 <anne> And the approach sounds fine
14:26:57 <Norm> Topic: Any other business?
14:27:02 <Norm> None heard.
14:27:06 <Norm> Adjourned.
14:27:20 <Norm> Norm: Thank you all for attending, by phone or IRC, and we'll talk again soon.
14:27:22 <Zakim> -hsivonen
14:27:24 <Zakim> -bob
14:27:26 <Zakim> -Norm
14:27:26 <Zakim> XML_(TAG TF)10:00AM has ended
14:27:28 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.858.246.aaaa, Norm, bob, hsivonen
14:27:29 <Norm> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
14:27:32 <Norm> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:27:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/26-html-xml-minutes.html Norm
14:36:05 <Zakim> XML_(TAG TF)10:00AM has now started
14:36:12 <Zakim> +Noah_Mendelsohn
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14:36:53 <Zakim> -Noah_Mendelsohn
14:36:55 <Zakim> XML_(TAG TF)10:00AM has ended
14:36:55 <Zakim> Attendees were Noah_Mendelsohn
14:36:56 <darobin> noah: the call was adjourned 
14:38:14 <darobin> noah: minutes should be at http://www.w3.org/2011/07/26-html-xml-minutes.html
14:38:31 <noah> Tnx.  Had a Windows system crash, more or less. Sorry I missed it.
14:39:39 <darobin> no worries, we didn't decide much beyond "all seems in order"
14:40:12 <darobin> I think Norm will get back to you about publishing in September, and possibly a joint meeting with the TAG at TPAC
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