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13:54:20 <antoine> rrsagent, bookmark
13:54:20 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2011/07/21-lld-irc#T13-54-20
13:54:32 <antoine> zakim, this will be lld
13:54:32 <Zakim> ok, antoine; I see INC_LLDXG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
13:55:17 <Zakim> INC_LLDXG()10:00AM has now started
13:55:24 <Zakim> +??P3
13:55:31 <antoine> zakim, ??P3 is me
13:55:31 <Zakim> +antoine; got it
13:55:45 <antoine> Meeting: LLD XG
13:55:55 <antoine> Chair: Antoine
13:56:10 <antoine> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jul/0028.html
13:56:37 <antoine> Previous: 2011-07-07 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html
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13:57:35 <antoine> Regrets: Jodi, Monica, Uldis, Joachim, Kevin
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14:00:03 <Zakim> + +1.678.235.aaaa
14:00:04 <Zakim> -??P14
14:00:07 <pmurray> zakim, aaaa is me
14:00:09 <Zakim> +pmurray; got it
14:00:14 <pmurray> zakim, mute me
14:00:16 <Zakim> pmurray should now be muted
14:00:24 <Zakim> +??P14
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14:00:37 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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14:00:52 <Zakim> +??P28
14:01:03 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes
14:01:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html antoine
14:01:06 <kcoyle> zakim, ??P14 is kcoyle
14:01:06 <Zakim> +kcoyle; got it
14:01:11 <antoine> zakim, who is here?
14:01:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see antoine, pmurray (muted), kcoyle, [IPcaller], tbaker
14:01:17 <Zakim> +??P32
14:01:18 <Zakim> + +1.330.289.aabb
14:01:23 <Zakim> + +1.614.764.aacc
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14:01:28 <antoine> zakim, IPcaller is AlexanderH
14:01:28 <Zakim> +AlexanderH; got it
14:01:32 <digikim_> I just joined before marcha
14:01:32 <jeff_> zakim, aacc is me
14:01:42 <Zakim> +jeff_; got it
14:01:53 <tbaker> s/macha/Marcia/
14:01:55 <antoine> zakim, aabb is marcia
14:02:05 <antoine> zakin, ??P32 is digikim_
14:02:08 <tbaker> s/marcha/Marcia/
14:02:11 <Zakim> +marcia; got it
14:02:13 <digikim_> thanks :) forgot to join the irc before calling
14:02:15 <antoine> zakim, who is here?
14:02:35 <Zakim> +??P41
14:02:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see antoine, pmurray (muted), kcoyle, AlexanderH, tbaker, ??P32, marcia, jeff_, ??P41
14:02:54 <jeff_> zakim, mute me
14:03:07 <Zakim> +jeff_.a
14:03:11 <antoine> zakim, who is making noise?
14:03:22 <Zakim> jeff_ should now be muted
14:03:27 <antoine> zakim, ??P41 is GordonD
14:03:40 <antoine> zakim, ??P32 is digikim_
14:03:43 <Zakim> antoine, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: antoine (41%), tbaker (24%), ??P41 (66%)
14:03:56 <Zakim> +GordonD; got it
14:03:56 <antoine> zakinm, jeff_.a is michaelp
14:04:11 <Zakim> +digikim_; got it
14:04:29 <antoine> rrsagent, please make record public
14:04:39 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes
14:04:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html antoine
14:05:21 <marcia> Next week
14:05:30 <marcia> I am on a cell phone now
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14:05:55 <jeff_> zakim, unmute me
14:05:55 <Zakim> jeff_ should no longer be muted
14:06:15 <antoine> Scribe: Jeff
14:06:22 <antoine> Scribenick: jeff_
14:06:38 <jeff_> TOPIC: ADMIN
14:07:03 <jeff_> RESOLVED: accept minutes from last call
14:07:47 <jeff_> No telecon next week, but the ones left are important
14:07:53 <jeff_> TOPIC: FINAL REPORT
14:08:21 <jeff_> The blog is up and some comments are coming in
14:08:40 <jeff_> Keeping track of commentary/reviews at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportReviewerAssignments
14:09:12 <jeff_> Need a new volunteer to track late coming comments.
14:10:21 <jeff_> Jeff volunteers
14:10:38 <tbaker> q+ to ask if Daniel cannot do it?
14:11:26 <tbaker> ack tbaker
14:11:26 <Zakim> tbaker, you wanted to ask if Daniel cannot do it?
14:11:46 <jeff_> ACTION: Karen Coyle to keep track of comments on the mailing list between July 8 and July 15 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action04]
14:11:51 <jeff_> --DONE
14:11:57 <jeff_> ACTION: Jeff to keep track of comments on the mailing list between July 15 and July 22 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action05]
14:12:00 <jeff_> --DONE
14:12:23 <jeff_> ACTION: Editors of each section should watch for substantial comments to their section [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action06]
14:12:29 <jeff_> --CONTINUES
14:13:01 <jeff_> TOPIC: EXECUTIVE SUMMARY (tbd)
14:13:08 <jeff_> ACTION: chairs to send email to list asking for volunteers to write the executive summary [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action08]
14:13:10 <jeff_> --DONE
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14:13:35 <GordonD> I will volunteer to help Karen
14:14:44 <GordonD> +1 for the three of us on a telecon ...
14:15:15 <GordonD> +1 makes four
14:15:43 <jeff_> ACTION: Karen, Tom, Michael, and Gordon to write the executive summary due in two weeks.
14:15:45 <jeff_> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ExecutiveSummary
14:16:53 <jeff_> karen: one to 1 1/2 page for the executive summary
14:17:13 <jeff_> Tom: more or less as needed
14:18:29 <antoine> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jul/0022.html
14:18:50 <jeff_> TOPIC: "LIBRARY LINKED DATA": SCOPE OF THIS REPORT (Karen, Peter, Tom, Gordon, Jodi)
14:19:38 <jeff_> ACTION: Karen and Emma to write a sentence adding cultural and memory institutions together in some way [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action03]
14:19:42 <jeff_> --CONTINUES
14:20:09 <jeff_> TOPIC: BENEFITS OF LINKED DATA (Ed, Emmanuelle, Ross)
14:20:25 <jeff_> Any issues to report?
14:20:55 <jeff_> No comments.
14:21:07 <jeff_> TOPIC: AVAILABLE VOCABULARIES AND DATASETS (Antoine, Jeff, Marcia, William)
14:21:43 <jeff_> Antoine: started to address 1st set of comments and confident the issues can be integrated.
14:22:24 <jeff_> TOPIC: RELEVANT TECHNOLOGIES (Jeff)
14:22:30 <GordonD> Action on Gordon is now done
14:22:36 <jeff_> ACTION: Gordon to review Relevant Technologies [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld-minutes.html#action04]
14:22:41 <jeff_> --DONE
14:22:56 <tbaker> q+ to ask about PIDs as raised by Juha
14:23:08 <antoine> --DONE
14:23:14 <antoine> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jul/0029.html
14:23:26 <antoine> zakim, ack TomB
14:23:26 <Zakim> I see tbaker on the speaker queue
14:24:29 <antoine> zakim, ack tbaker
14:24:29 <Zakim> tbaker, you wanted to ask about PIDs as raised by Juha
14:24:30 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:24:31 <AlexanderH> q+
14:25:37 <antoine> Alexander: need to ack that a URN is a URI
14:25:52 <jeff_> Tom: Juha commented on reference to Cool URIs vs. other forms of persistent URIs. Deserves some more subtle wording to accommodate URNs.
14:26:07 <antoine> Jeff: Agreed. I 'll work on it
14:26:24 <antoine> ... Gordon also commented on this.
14:26:29 <tbaker> q+ to point Jeff to http://metadaten-twr.org/2010/10/13/persistent-identifiers-an-overview/
14:26:38 <tbaker> ack AlexanderH
14:26:53 <antoine> zakim, ack tbaker
14:26:53 <Zakim> tbaker, you wanted to point Jeff to http://metadaten-twr.org/2010/10/13/persistent-identifiers-an-overview/
14:26:55 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:26:56 <jeff_> Alex: need to accommodate URNs better.
14:27:57 <jeff_> Tom: we need to acknowledge other URI schemes
14:28:10 <jeff_> ... best practice is still evolving.
14:28:45 <jeff_> ... Need to point to larger discussion.
14:28:47 <digikim_> +1
14:28:55 <tbaker> ack tbaker
14:29:03 <antoine> zakim, q?
14:29:03 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:29:31 <antoine> Alex: anyone tried URN in SPARQL?
14:29:36 <marcia> There was a circulated reference link yesterday: What Do URIs Mean Anyway? http://www.jenitennison.com/blog/node/159 
14:29:51 <antoine> Jeff: id.loc.gov has owl:sameAs to URNs
14:30:00 <antoine> ... they're not resolvable
14:30:15 <antoine> .. ideally using owl:sameAs you would link URNs to resolvable URIS
14:30:52 <antoine> (Antoine remembers having done something like that with ARK ids)
14:31:44 <tbaker> Juha's comments are at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/2011Jun/0012.html
14:31:58 <GordonD> It might be useful to add something about sameAs linking between resolvable and unresolvable IDs in the relevant technologies section? Or is this an Issue requiring a Recommendation?
14:32:08 <antoine> Jeff: one http-14 was around, it went clearer
14:32:44 <AlexanderH> +1 gordon
14:33:03 <antoine> Jeff: it's worth mentioning
14:33:17 <antoine> Tom: not elevating to recommendation
14:33:26 <antoine> Jeff And Tom: we agree
14:33:54 <jeff_> ACTION: Jeff to integrated more refined view of non-resolvable URIs and linking.
14:35:06 <jeff_> Jeff will review blog entries for reusable statements.
14:37:03 <antoine> gordon: main issue is mixing different levels
14:37:11 <antoine> Jeff: all feedback helps
14:38:51 <jeff_> ACTION: everybody to scrutinize the relevant technologies to solve the issue of mising different levels
14:39:14 <jeff_> TOPIC: IMPLEMENTATION CHALLENGES AND BARRIERS TO ADOPTION (Karen, Peter, Tom, Gordon, Jodi)
14:39:23 <jeff_> ACTION: Karen will convene issues and recommendations group to identify things that need to be discussed with larger group for July 21 meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action04]
14:39:26 <jeff_> --CONTINUES
14:39:37 <jeff_> ACTION: Karen and Antoine to relate Library Data Resources and Library Standards and Linked data [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/16-lld-minutes.html#action12]
14:39:40 <jeff_> --CONTINUES
14:40:55 <jeff_> Karen: these two sections were put together as background. They stay in the wiki, but can be used as a checklist for the report section.
14:41:54 <jeff_> Karen: the blog appears to be broken in a new way.
14:42:16 <pmurray> Oh, that is odd.
14:42:43 <jeff_> Tom: It looks like a temporary issue.
14:43:07 <jeff_> Karen: Comments are coming into the blog and will be processed.
14:44:01 <jeff_> ... The comments so far haven't been radical and can probably be integrated.
14:45:01 <jeff_> Antoine: the comments don't appear to be spam
14:45:39 <jeff_> TOPIC: RECOMMENDATIONS AND NEXT STEPS (Karen, Peter, Tom, Gordon, Jodi)
14:46:24 <jeff_> ACTION: Tom to ask Dickson and Guenther if they could contribute curriculum issues to the Recommendations Section [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minutes.html#action13]
14:47:51 <jeff_> --DONE
14:48:20 <jeff_> TOPIC: LIBRARY LINKED DATA: VOCABULARIES AND DATASETS - SEPARATE DELIVERABLE (Antoine, Jeff, Marcia, William)
14:48:39 <jeff_> Antoine: not much to say. Other comments?
14:48:55 <jeff_> TOPIC: USE CASES (Daniel) - SEPARATE DELIVERABLE
14:49:08 <jeff_> ACTION: Emma to review use cases and make comments [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action07]
14:49:12 <jeff_> --CONTINUES
14:49:22 <jeff_> Comments?
14:49:42 <jeff_> Any other business?
14:50:09 <antoine> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jul/0021.html
14:50:33 <antoine> http://www.slideshare.net/TalisConsulting/linked-data-workshop-stanford-university
14:50:44 <jeff_> Antoine: Presentation on Linked Data at Stanford that has overlap with our group.
14:51:00 <jeff_> ... Would be nice if our report related to theirs
14:51:16 <jeff_> ... Anyone involved?
14:52:01 <kcoyle> http://inkdroid.org/journal/2011/07/14/stanford-linked-data-meeting-notes-an-incidental-manifesto/
14:52:04 <kcoyle> edsu's notes
14:52:11 <jeff_> We should discuss their report later.
14:52:58 <digikim_> Thanks to everybody. I will be taking my Summer vacation in August, so this was unfortunately the final call for me. I will be looking forward on what reactions the report gets when it is finalized and published. :)
14:53:35 <jeff_> Antoine: Thanks for contributing Kim.
14:53:38 <Zakim> -GordonD
14:53:40 <Zakim> -pmurray
14:53:43 <jeff_> Meeting is ajourned.
14:53:48 <Zakim> -kcoyle
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14:53:49 <antoine> zakim, please list attendees
14:53:58 <Zakim> -digikim_
14:54:01 <Zakim> -marcia
14:54:02 <Zakim> -michaelp
14:54:04 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been antoine, +1.678.235.aaaa, pmurray, tbaker, kcoyle, +1.330.289.aabb, +1.614.764.aacc, AlexanderH, jeff_, marcia, GordonD, digikim_, michaelp
14:54:22 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes
14:54:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html antoine
14:55:12 <digikim_> bye
14:56:48 <Zakim> -AlexanderH
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14:59:26 <Zakim> Attendees were antoine, +1.678.235.aaaa, pmurray, tbaker, kcoyle, +1.330.289.aabb, +1.614.764.aacc, AlexanderH, jeff_, marcia, GordonD, digikim_, michaelp
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