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16:00:19 Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
16:00:19 Date: 21 July 2011
16:00:43 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2011JulSep/0004.html
16:00:44 Title: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2011-07-21: Task Force reports, Last Call change control, Decision Policy from Maciej Stachowiak on 2011-07-20 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from July to September 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
16:00:46 zakim, who's on the phone?
16:00:46 On the phone I see +1.215.286.aaaa, [Apple], ??P32
16:00:59 +Radhika_Roy
16:00:59 zakim, ??P32 is Janina
16:01:01 +Janina; got it
16:01:08 Zakim, Apple has hober
16:01:08 +hober; got it
16:01:12 +[Microsoft]
16:01:15 +Sam
16:01:19 zakim, microsoft is me
16:01:20 +eliot; got it
16:01:33 +Cynthia_Shelly
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16:03:41 +[Microsoft]
16:04:28 Zakim, Microsoft is krisk
16:04:28 +krisk; got it
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16:05:28 Zakim, call Mike
16:05:28 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
16:05:29 +Mike
16:07:27 -Cynthia_Shelly
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16:08:27 + +1.206.922.aacc
16:08:36 zakim, aacc is me
16:08:36 +adrianba; got it
16:08:45 + +1.212.478.aadd
16:08:48 Zakim, drop Mike
16:08:48 Mike is being disconnected
16:08:50 -Mike
16:08:57 Zakim, call Mike-googd
16:08:57 I am sorry, MikeSmith; I do not know a number for Mike-googd
16:09:03 Zakim, call Mike-goog
16:09:03 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
16:09:05 +Mike
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16:11:46 +[Microsoft]
16:12:14 ...Maciej should be here momentarily...
16:12:15 zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
16:12:15 +paulc; got it
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16:13:44 +[Apple.a]
16:13:56 Zakim, [Apple.a] has me
16:13:56 +mjs; got it
16:14:52 Topic: ACTION items due by Thursday, July 21
16:14:56 mjs: there are none
16:15:05 Topic: New Issues This Week:
16:15:11 mjs: there are none
16:15:14 Topic: Items Closed Last Week
16:15:16 mjs: there are none
16:15:25 Topic: Items Closing This Week
16:15:27 mjs: there are none
16:15:32 Topic: Items Closing Next Week
16:15:35 ISSUE-153?
16:15:35 ISSUE-153 -- link type "external" either not useful or underspecified -- open
16:15:35 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/153
16:15:36 Title: ISSUE-153: link type "external" either not useful or underspecified - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:15:46 mjs: Call for Counter-Proposals closes Jul 28
16:15:51 ISSUE-154?
16:15:51 ISSUE-154 -- "sidebar" might not be a proper use of a link relation -- open
16:15:51 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/154
16:15:52 Title: ISSUE-154: "sidebar" might not be a proper use of a link relation - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:15:59 mjs: Call for Counter-Proposals closes Jul 28
16:16:09 mjs: both issues about link relations
16:16:11 ISSUE-166?
16:16:11 ISSUE-166 -- text/html-sandboxed does not always fail closed -- raised
16:16:11 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/166
16:16:12 Title: ISSUE-166: text/html-sandboxed does not always fail closed - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:16:28 mjs: Change Proposals due Jul 28
16:16:30 ISSUE-167?
16:16:30 ISSUE-167 -- Remove the crossorigin attribute and CORS normative dependency -- raised
16:16:30 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/167
16:16:31 Title: ISSUE-167: Remove the crossorigin attribute and CORS normative dependency - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:16:39 mjs: Change Proposals due Jul 28
16:16:53 Topic: New Calls this week
16:16:57 mjs: there are none
16:17:00 Topic: New Surveys this week
16:17:02 +[Microsoft.a]
16:17:03 mjs: there are none
16:17:25 mjs: will not start any more surveys until the end of the LC comment period on 8/4
16:17:31 Topic: Decisions this week
16:17:34 mjs: there are none
16:17:36 Topic: Task Force Reports
16:18:00 Topic: Testing Task Force report
16:18:08 chris: met last week
16:18:12 Here notes http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2011Jul/0004.html
16:18:13 Title: RE: HTML Testing Task Force Conf Call Agenda 7/12/2011 from Kris Krueger on 2011-07-21 (public-html-testsuite@w3.org from July 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
16:18:18 s/chris/krisk/
16:18:32 krisk: group agreed to use html5lib test format going forward
16:18:46 krisk: new tests from mozilla
16:18:55 krisk: there are authoring guidelines available
16:18:59 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing/Authoring
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16:19:20 krisk: microsoft has submitted some structured clone algorithm tests
16:19:27 krisk: opera has also submitted tests
16:19:33 krisk: TF meets on 7/26
16:19:50 Topic: Accessibility Task Force report
16:20:02 janina: not much to report
16:20:23 janina: have asked people to read through the spec to look for a11y issues
16:20:38 janina: long call next thursday to process those reports
16:20:56 janina: media subgroup have 3 unresolved issues, waiting on PoCs
16:21:10 janina: text subgroup will make some comments on longdesc, canvas a11y, etc.
16:21:19 janina: asking tf participants to focus on bugs
16:21:36 Topic: Other Business
16:21:40 ISSUE-134?
16:21:40 ISSUE-134 -- Provide tablist and tab states for menu and command elements respectively -- open
16:21:40 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/134
16:21:42 Title: ISSUE-134: Provide tablist and tab states for menu and command elements respectively - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:22:45 CP on ISSUE-134: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Jul/0235.html
16:22:47 Title: Re: CfC: Close ISSUE-134 tab-states by Amicable Resolution from Tab Atkins Jr. on 2011-07-14 (public-html@w3.org from July 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
16:23:05 mjs: in the future, we will be stricter about the CfC deadline
16:23:21 mjs: this is a one-time exception
16:23:33 mjs: have filed bug on decision policy to clarify this going forward
16:23:41 mjs: Last Call change control and non-bugzilla changes http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Jul/0286.html
16:23:42 Title: Thoughts on restricting non-bugzilla-driven spec changes during Last Call from Maciej Stachowiak on 2011-07-20 (public-html@w3.org from July 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
16:24:14 mjs: looking at what sort of change control should be applied, email is quite detailed
16:24:29 mjs: strongly encourage wg participants to read that email
16:24:47 mjs: there are 3 key process requirements affected by spec changes happening during LC
16:25:02 mjs: 1) formal requirement to address all issues received during LC
16:25:23 mjs: 2) must have documentation of all changes since the previous step (entering last call)
16:25:41 mjs: there's a Process distinction between minor and substantive changes
16:26:01 mjs: substantive changes are changes that invalidate previous review or impl report
16:26:10 mjs: minor changes only require reporting diff
16:26:24 mjs: Process requires us to provide meaningful summary of substantive changes
16:26:53 mjs: substantive changes made after entering LC require issuing another WD, can't proceed straight to CR
16:27:40 mjs: we knew going into this LC that there woulud be substantive changes in certain areas etc.
16:27:50 mjs: must fulfill documentation requirement
16:28:08 mjs: we will have to have an LC period in which we don't make substantive changes
16:28:46 mjs: there are a number of changes made to the spec that are from comments not at the w3c
16:29:21 mjs: also rdfa-in-html spec has changes made due to comments in the rdfa wg, not just an issue with the html5 spec
16:29:39 q+
16:30:27 janina: should people be commenting on the may 25th LCWD or a july ED? (question came up in a11y tf)
16:30:39 mjs: up to the reviewer
16:30:53 mjs: May 25th draft is frozen, so it won't change during review
16:31:10 mjs: the EDs have ongoing changes, including LC comments
16:31:24 mjs: issues may already have been fixed, there may be new problems
16:31:37 mjs: ED probably tracks what will be in a future LC
16:31:48 ack paulc
16:32:13 paulc: it's always possible to get the static version by following the dated links
16:32:27 paulc: we'll always process LC comments on the LCWD
16:32:43 paulc: it's also valid as an LC comment to request revert of changes happening in the ED
16:33:16 q-
16:33:30 mjs: Decision Policy update plans http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Jul/0287.html
16:33:31 Title: Decision Policy update plans from Maciej Stachowiak on 2011-07-20 (public-html@w3.org from July 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
16:34:02 mjs: have been working on the Decision Policy 'v2' draft
16:34:31 mjs: will be presenting a CfC to the WG to adopt the v2 Decision Policy
16:34:42 mjs: please review v2 draft and file bugs
16:34:58 mjs: Any other business?
16:35:08 Topic: Scribe for next meeting
16:35:21 i can scribe next week
16:35:44 Topic: Adjournment
16:35:55 -Mike
16:35:56 - +1.215.286.aaaa
16:35:57 -Radhika_Roy
16:35:58 -[Microsoft.a]
16:35:58 -[Apple]
16:35:59 -eliot
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16:36:09 rssagent, generate minutes
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16:36:43 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/21-html-wg-minutes.html adrianba
16:36:49 -Sam
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17:32:02 bugmail: [Bug 13306] Deadline for implementation of WG Decisions <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/0803.html>
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17:35:05 Attendees were +1.215.286.aaaa, Radhika_Roy, Janina, hober, Sam, eliot, Cynthia_Shelly, krisk, Mike, +1.212.478.aabb, +1.206.922.aacc, adrianba, +1.212.478.aadd, paulc, [Apple],
17:35:07 ... mjs, [Microsoft]
18:03:41 bugmail: [Bug 13319] New: Script errors should provide column position <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/0804.html>
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18:34:17 bugmail: [Bug 13320] New: New Feature: Define a default form submit behavior. Currently, there is no specified behavior that I am aware of for browsers when the 'enter' key is pressed in a text input field inside a form. Some browsers submit using the form with no button value. <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/0805.html>
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18:54:12 changes: sam: Correct status for issue 134 <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Jul/0054.html>
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19:05:58 bugmail: [Bug 13320] New Feature: Define a default form submit behavior. Currently, there is no specified behavior that I am aware of for browsers when the 'enter' key is pressed in a text input field inside a form. Some browsers submit using the form with no button value. <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/0806.html>
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20:08:10 bugmail: [Bug 13323] New: In section 4.10.21 "Constraints" (under "Association of controls and forms"), the definition for "Suffering from being missing" includes the text "... or, in the case of an element in a radio button group, any of the other elements in the group has a requ <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/0808.html> 4** [Bug 13314] Drop RDF conversion algorithm <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html
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23:13:23 bugmail: [Bug 12561] Add the @action in the |