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12:23:54 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
12:23:55 <trackbot> Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
12:23:55 <trackbot> Date: 13 July 2011
12:27:30 <shadi> chair: shadi
12:27:32 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2011Jul/0002.html
12:28:26 <shadi> agenda+ Welcome
12:28:31 <shadi> agenda+ Continue processing comments
12:28:33 <shadi> agenda+ Upcoming meeting schedule
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12:30:16 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
12:30:16 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
12:30:17 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
12:30:18 <Zakim> +Shadi
12:32:51 <carlosV> i come in two mins
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12:34:16 <Zakim> +??P4
12:34:46 <shadi> zakim, ? is CarlosI
12:34:46 <Zakim> +CarlosI; got it
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12:38:45 <shadi> zakim, ? is CarlosI
12:38:45 <Zakim> +CarlosI; got it
12:43:06 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0010.html
12:44:36 <Zakim> +??P5
12:44:50 <shadi> zakim, ? is CarlosV
12:44:50 <Zakim> +CarlosV; got it
12:45:47 <shadi> scribe: shadi
12:46:03 <shadi> SAZ: potentially allows recurrsions and endless loops
12:47:50 <shadi> ...one suggestion it to have main assertor be foaf:Group and sub assertors be foaf:Agent, and make these disjoint
12:49:03 <shadi> ...but there could be cases when there are sub-groups of groups (for instance tester team for an accessibility expert team)
12:50:55 <shadi> ...another suggestion is to add a conformance requirement which would be on a semantical level rather than on a syntactical level
12:51:14 <shadi> CV: could use foaf:Agent as the range
12:51:36 <shadi> SAZ: would only remove first-level loops but would still need a conformance requirement
12:55:19 <shadi> CV: MainAssertor class that has the mainAssertor property but is essentially the same as Assertor class
12:57:03 <shadi> CV: use isMainAssertorOf
12:58:37 <shadi> ...isMainAssertor only, as a "flag" to mark main assertors
13:00:41 <shadi> {A, B, C}; {A -> D, E}; {B -> F, G}
13:01:02 <shadi> {A, B, C}; {A -> D, E}; {B -> F}
13:01:34 <shadi> current approach: {A, B, C}; {A -> D, E}; {B -> F}
13:01:58 <shadi> sugestion: {A+, B+, C, D, E, F}
13:04:32 <carlosV> {A, B+, C}; {A -> D, E}; {B -> F}
13:05:10 <shadi> or: {A+, B+, C}; {A+, D, E}; {B+, F}
13:06:05 <carlosV> {A+, B+, C}; {A-> D, E}; {B->F}
13:07:21 <shadi> or: {A+, B+, C}; A={A", D, E}; B={B", F}
13:08:21 <shadi> or: {A+, B+, C}; A+={X, D, E}; B+={Y, F}
13:11:22 <shadi> CI: not in favor of flags; does not seem to be the semantic web approach
13:13:15 <shadi> action: shadi to send two options to the group by mail to seek more input
13:13:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-128 - Send two options to the group by mail to seek more input [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2011-07-20].
13:13:41 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0012.html
13:15:36 <shadi> SAZ: want more description and examples
13:15:51 <shadi> ...can add more in the Schema and/or to the Guide
13:16:37 <shadi> CV: can add the descriptions that are in the tables into the main body
13:16:45 <shadi> ...but keep the Schema concise
13:17:11 <shadi> CI: examples and additional background belong in the Guide
13:17:43 <shadi> ...but the complete definition itself should be in the Schema
13:19:19 <shadi> RESOLUTION: add the descriptions from the appendecies and insert them into the main body, then review before publication whether the Schema sections provide sufficient definitions; and consider adding any additional explanations and background into the Guide
13:20:28 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0013.html
13:20:44 <Zakim> -CarlosI
13:22:55 <shadi> SAZ: so far sorting alphabetically
13:23:16 <shadi> CV: keep alphabetically in the Schema but not necessarily in the Guide
13:23:29 <shadi> SAZ: think should be consistent
13:24:28 <shadi> RESOLUTION: keep alphabetical for now, then revisit when the Guide is more complete to decide what sorting approach to take
13:24:40 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
13:24:40 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
13:24:40 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Shadi, CarlosI, CarlosV
13:24:41 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
13:24:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/13-er-minutes.html trackbot
13:24:42 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
13:24:42 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/13-er-actions.rdf :
13:24:42 <RRSAgent> ACTION: shadi to send two options to the group by mail to seek more input [1]
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