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13:54:37 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 
13:54:37 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
13:54:38 <trackbot> Meeting: Web and TV Interest Group Teleconference
13:54:38 <trackbot> Date: 12 July 2011
13:54:42 <kaz> zakim, list
13:54:42 <Zakim> I see Team_(RevCadence)9:00AM, Team_(wf)13:12Z active
13:54:43 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)9:00AM, T&S_XMLSEC()10:00AM, MWI_BPWG()9:30AM, XML_(TAG TF)10:00AM, Team_(MEET)10:00AM, VB_VBWG()10:00AM, UW_WebTVIG(Home
13:54:46 <Zakim> ... Net)10:00AM, SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM, TAG_(AWWSW)9:00AM, IA_Team()10:00AM
13:55:13 <kaz> zakim, this will be UW_WebTVIG(HomeNet)
13:55:13 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, kaz
13:55:17 <kaz> zakim, this will be UW_WebTVIG(Home Net)
13:55:17 <Zakim> ok, kaz; I see UW_WebTVIG(Home Net)10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
13:55:53 <kaz> s/Web and TV Interest Group Teleconference/Home Networking TF Teleconference/
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13:57:54 <Zakim> UW_WebTVIG(Home Net)10:00AM has now started
13:58:01 <Zakim> +DongHyun_Kang
13:58:05 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-617
13:58:05 <Zakim> ok, kaz; the call is being made
13:58:06 <Zakim> +Kazuyuki
13:58:12 <Zakim> + +44.303.040.aaaa
13:58:28 <MattH> zakim: aaaa is MattH
13:58:33 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
13:58:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see DongHyun_Kang, Kazuyuki, +44.303.040.aaaa
13:58:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see donghyun_kang, Zakim, RRSAgent, kaz, david_mays, MattH, davidmays, trackbot
13:58:56 <kaz> zakim, aaaa is MattH
13:58:56 <Zakim> +MattH; got it
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14:00:51 <kaz> Chair: Kaz
14:01:05 <Zakim> -DongHyun_Kang
14:01:18 <Zakim> +??P12
14:01:32 <kaz> zakim, ??P12 is Aizu
14:01:33 <Zakim> +Aizu; got it
14:01:34 <Zakim> +Tatsuya_Igarashi
14:02:08 <Zakim> +??P14
14:02:49 <Zakim> +Jerry_Ezrol
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14:04:06 <david_mays> I signed in via SIP, rather than my usual phone #
14:04:32 <kaz> zakim, ??P14 is david_mays
14:04:32 <Zakim> +david_mays; got it
14:04:50 <kaz> Present: Kazuyuki, MattH, Aizu, Tatsuya_Igarashi, david_mays, Jerry_Ezrol
14:05:28 <Zakim> +??P20
14:05:32 <kaz> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2011Jul/0023.html
14:05:51 <kaz> zakim, ??P20 is Jean-Claude_Dufourd
14:05:51 <Zakim> +Jean-Claude_Dufourd; got it
14:06:01 <kaz> Present+ Jean-Claude
14:06:25 <Zakim> +Jan_Lindquist
14:06:33 <kaz> Present+ Jan
14:09:30 <kaz> topic: How to handle additional use case descriptions?
14:09:57 <kaz> kaz: two proposals: 1. API category, 2. concrete system interaction description
14:13:17 <kaz> ... let's talk about "API category"
14:13:26 <kaz> ... could this an optional feature?
14:13:59 <kaz> igarashi: it would be useful to have this feature when we identify use cases for requirement document
14:14:38 <jcdufourd> q+
14:16:25 <kaz> kaz: old use cases are already approved
14:16:45 <Zakim> +DongHyun_Kang
14:16:45 <kaz> igarashi: I'd suggest we ask old use case submitters as well to clarify the type
14:17:52 <kaz> kaz: in that case, we need to clarify the definition of service-agnostic and service-specific
14:18:29 <jcdufourd> ack 
14:18:41 <jcdufourd> ack jcdufourd
14:18:42 <kaz> ... I think service-agnostic is "generic" and service-specific is "application-specific" we discussed before
14:18:46 <kaz> jc: agree
14:18:54 <kaz> ... but not sure about the third type
14:19:42 <kaz> igarashi: type3 is combination of type1 and type2
14:20:29 <kaz> ... in addition to generic APIs and application-specific documents (like XML Schema)
14:20:58 <kaz> ... e.g., generic XMLHTTPRequest and additional XML Schema
14:21:04 <MattH> +q
14:21:40 <Zakim> +Neil_Soiffer
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14:22:06 <kaz> s/XML Schema/application-specific XML language/
14:22:11 <kaz> s/XML Schema/application-specific XML language/
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14:23:23 <kaz> zakim, Neil_Soiffer is Russell_Berkoff
14:23:23 <Zakim> +Russell_Berkoff; got it
14:24:39 <MattH> +q
14:25:39 <kaz> q?
14:26:37 <kaz> kaz: does type3 include DeviceAPI and HTML5 script?
14:26:40 <kaz> igarashi: no
14:27:49 <kaz> ... e.g., the URI of the "application-specific" document is one of the parameters of the generic API
14:28:43 <kaz> ack Matt
14:28:53 <kaz> MattH: quick question
14:29:06 <kaz> ... do any of existing use cases match this type 3?
14:29:16 <kaz> igarashi: no idea
14:29:52 <kaz> ... it's that there are theoretically three options
14:29:59 <kaz> MattH: ok
14:30:47 <MattH> -q
14:30:53 <kaz> igarashi: however, I think this kind of "type of use cases" should be considered for the discussion in the possible WGs
14:31:57 <Zakim> -Tatsuya_Igarashi
14:32:13 <kaz> RESOLUTION: we add Igarashi's proposed "type of use cases" to our use case description (and template)
14:32:51 <kaz> kaz: next Russell's proposal
14:32:54 <kaz> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2011Jul/0023.html agenda
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14:35:02 <kaz> kaz: how about discussing th concrete system interaction later?
14:35:18 <igarashi_> I will resume soon.
14:37:00 <Zakim> +Tatsuya_Igarashi
14:37:04 <rberkoff> what ever is decided should be applied uniformly to use cases or not at all
14:38:15 <rberkoff> then we shouldnt require it!
14:38:19 <rberkoff> no!
14:39:24 <kaz> RESOLUTION: We should not require detaliked system interaction description for use cases description
14:39:41 <MattH> q+
14:39:50 <kaz> ack Matt
14:41:38 <kaz> MattH: the point is "considering system interaction is important for interoperability between different systems"
14:42:55 <kaz> s/the point is "considering system interaction is important for interoperability between different systems"/is considering system interaction important in order to express desired attributes of solutions?/
14:43:11 <kaz> berkoff: no. It is desired in order to detect issues with proposed use cases.
14:43:51 <kaz> topic: Use cases
14:43:56 <kaz> issue-24?
14:43:56 <trackbot> ISSUE-24 -- Local Link of web applications -- raised
14:43:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/24
14:44:18 <Zakim> -Jan_Lindquist
14:44:38 <kaz> -> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/HNTF/Home_Network_TF_Discussions/LocalLink#Use_Case:_Local_Link_of_Web_Applications Wiki description
14:45:04 <kaz> igarashi: have some issue with separating user scenarios
14:45:19 <kaz> ... though Francois suggested I should have separated it
14:45:56 <kaz> ... also he pointed out to clarify the relationship with the other use cases
14:46:36 <kaz> ... issue-24 describes bi-directional communication
14:47:00 <kaz> kaz: do you think it's impossible?
14:47:37 <Zakim> +Jan_Lindquist
14:47:52 <Zakim> -Jan_Lindquist
14:48:48 <kaz> igarashi: no, but User Scenario is not the main body of the Use Case but just example
14:49:04 <MattH> +q
14:50:01 <kaz> kaz: maybe we should clarify the definition of "User Scenario"
14:50:04 <kaz> q?
14:51:24 <kaz> igarashi: if those User Scenarios are three application-specific examples, I'm happy to separate them
14:51:34 <kaz> ... but there is no significant difference
14:52:38 <kaz> ... there is only one system interaction
14:52:50 <kaz> ack Matt?
14:52:57 <kaz> ack Matt
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14:54:13 <kaz> MattH: think we've clarified "User Scenario" and "Use Case" 
14:57:03 <kaz> kaz: we should follow the definition
14:57:15 <kaz> (kaz will check the definition to make sure.)
14:57:41 <kaz> RESOLUTION: three examples could be in ISSUE-24 
14:57:52 <kaz> s/could be in/could be included in/
14:58:55 <kaz> [ adjourned ]
14:59:03 <Zakim> -Jean-Claude_Dufourd
14:59:05 <Zakim> -Russell_Berkoff
14:59:06 <Zakim> -Tatsuya_Igarashi
14:59:07 <Zakim> -MattH
14:59:13 <Zakim> -DongHyun_Kang
14:59:14 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
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14:59:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/12-webtv-minutes.html kaz
14:59:50 <Zakim> -david_mays
14:59:51 <Zakim> UW_WebTVIG(Home Net)10:00AM has ended
14:59:53 <Zakim> Attendees were DongHyun_Kang, Kazuyuki, +44.303.040.aaaa, MattH, Aizu, Tatsuya_Igarashi, Jerry_Ezrol, david_mays, Jean-Claude_Dufourd, Jan_Lindquist, Russell_Berkoff
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