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15:01:01 <krisk> zakim, this is htmlt
15:01:01 <Zakim> krisk, I see HTML_WG(HTMLT)11:00AM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be htmlt".
15:01:18 <krisk> zakim, this will be htmlt
15:01:18 <Zakim> ok, krisk; I see HTML_WG(HTMLT)11:00AM scheduled to start now
15:03:39 <krisk> I can dial in if someone else wants to talk on the phone
15:03:53 <krisk> though given who is present we can just do this on IRC
15:04:42 <krisk> Agenda -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2011Jul/0002.html
15:05:34 <krisk> Item #1 bugs on approved tests
15:05:41 <krisk> Bugzilla link -> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=HTML+WG&component=testsuite&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=inclu
15:06:50 <krisk> We have no new bugs
15:07:35 <krisk> Still need to hear back from plh about http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12896
15:09:09 <krisk> Moving on to the next agenda item 
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15:09:53 <krisk> Agenda Item #2 HTML5lib dat file format standardize for parser tests
15:10:59 <Zakim> HTML_WG(HTMLT)11:00AM has now started
15:11:06 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:11:18 <plh> zakim, passcode?
15:11:18 <Zakim> the conference code is 48658 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), plh
15:11:31 <krisk> I just dialed into the phone, with plh joining the conf call
15:11:34 <Zakim> +Philippe
15:12:02 <krisk> zakim, Microsoft is me
15:12:02 <Zakim> +krisk; got it
15:12:20 <gsnedders> I am very vaguely around, but have been offline for the past week
15:14:47 <krisk> We have had a few emails about html5lib parser tests and a good number of tests have been submitted
15:15:26 <krisk> IE10 Platform Preview 2 has support for the HTML5 parser rules that are described in the HTML5 spec
15:16:28 <krisk> Microsoft is intrested in submitting parser tests and it seems that we should standardize on using 'dat' files for all parser tests
15:17:32 <krisk> This would change our approval requirements a bit - but should help given that the format seems to work fine for the task (testing the parser)
15:18:22 <gsnedders> The parser test data file format is documented at http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Parser_tests#Tree_Construction_Tests
15:20:12 <krisk> jgraham I assume you are fine with this given you have submitted tests in this format
15:21:16 <krisk> jgraham are you around?  
15:21:30 <gsnedders> I believe he is on vacation
15:22:47 <krisk> OK
15:23:11 <gsnedders> But certainly the general Opera view is we should use that format.
15:23:19 <krisk> Good
15:23:49 <krisk> I wanted to ask him (you may know) why we don't have the 'dat' files seperated from the html tests that he submitted
15:24:08 <krisk> The tests look like the dat file was encoded and is embedded as a stream
15:24:14 <krisk> ..in each test
15:24:48 <krisk> Ideally we can re-use the dat file for multiple tests - e.g. one for document.write, one for innerhtml, etc..
15:24:54 <gsnedders> I don't know.
15:25:17 <gsnedders> jgraham did almost all the work for our HTML5 parser, not me.
15:25:33 <krisk> We'll have to wait till he is back from vacation
15:26:21 <krisk> The last agenda item is to note that we have a few more test submissions
15:27:08 <krisk> If you look at the logs we have a new participant from Mozilla
15:27:27 <krisk> see -> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html/rev/fa355c1c454f (Matheus Kerschbaum)
15:27:45 <plh> great
15:28:15 <plh> oh, but this is a Mochi test
15:28:27 <plh> he is not using testharness.js :-/
15:28:40 <krisk> I'll send him an email on the list
15:29:01 <krisk> with an example...so he doesn't create a bunch of tests in the wrong format
15:34:25 <krisk> The David Barron created a few tests so in theory Mozilla is aware of the test format requirements
15:34:46 <krisk> Note that Microsoft will be submitting some more HTMl5 tests for...
15:35:06 <krisk> SCA (structured cloneing algorythm)
15:35:11 <krisk> HTML5 Forms
15:35:28 <krisk> HTML5 async
15:36:04 <krisk> For HTML5 async we will need some help getting a php file added to the server (just to add a delay)
15:37:24 <krisk> HTML5 Drag and Drop
15:37:37 <krisk> and HTML5 Sandbox
15:38:22 <krisk> These will all be in the normal test harness
15:39:30 <krisk> The only exception will be in the drag and drop tests which need a person to perform the drag action with the mouse
15:42:11 <plh> http://www.w3.org/2011/08/browser-testing-charter.html
15:42:18 <plh> (so that people are aware of this here)
15:46:37 <krisk> Let's adjorn - unless anyone has anything else to discuss
15:46:59 <Zakim> -Philippe
15:47:04 <Zakim> -krisk
15:47:05 <Zakim> HTML_WG(HTMLT)11:00AM has ended
15:47:05 <Zakim> Attendees were Philippe, krisk
15:47:06 <krisk> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:47:15 <krisk> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:47:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/12-htmlt-minutes.html krisk
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17:40:46 <plh> rrsagent, bye
17:40:46 <RRSAgent> I see no action items