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20:00:19 <trackbot> Meeting: CSS-SVG Task Force Teleconference
20:00:19 <trackbot> Date: 11 July 2011
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20:02:55 <ed> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-fx/2011JulSep/0000.html
20:03:09 <shepazu> Zakim, code?
20:03:09 <Zakim> the conference code is 3983 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), shepazu
20:03:14 <ed> Zakim, who's here?
20:03:14 <Zakim> GA_FXTF()4:00PM has not yet started, ed
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20:03:16 <hober> Zakim, Apple has hober
20:03:16 <Zakim> sorry, hober, I do not recognize a party named 'Apple'
20:03:33 <hober> Zakim, who is on the phone?
20:03:34 <Zakim> GA_FXTF()4:00PM has not yet started, hober
20:03:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see vhardy, Zakim, RRSAgent, fantasai, dbaron, heycam|away, shepazu, plinss, TabAtkins, ed, CSSWG_LogBot, trackbot, hober
20:04:16 <ed> Present+ ed, hober
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20:05:55 <hober> Present+ smfr
20:06:50 <ed> Present+ doug, chris
20:07:38 <ChrisL> scribenick: ChrisL
20:07:55 <ed> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-fx/2011JulSep/0000.html
20:08:01 <ChrisL> rrsagent, here
20:08:01 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2011/07/11-fx-irc#T20-08-01
20:08:19 <ChrisL> ed: main topic is f2fagenda
20:08:31 <ChrisL> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/F2F/Seattle_2011/agenda_proposals
20:09:14 <ChrisL> ed: first, animation module. mainly extension o apply to svg
20:09:20 <ChrisL> ... any other aspects?
20:09:46 <ChrisL> ... talk of animation apis, is that ready for discussion
20:10:04 <ChrisL> smfr: dean not on the call but has been working on it
20:10:10 <ChrisL> ... please add to agenda
20:11:07 <ChrisL> ChrisL: maybe an implementation roundup for that spec
20:11:31 <ChrisL> smfr:also the interaction with smil-based animation, and timing issues, timebase, etc
20:11:58 <ChrisL> smfr: also requestAnimationFrame API
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20:13:05 <ChrisL> have people seen the inria work on timesheets in js with html5 and svg
20:13:06 <ChrisL> http://wam.inrialpes.fr/timesheets/
20:13:13 <ed> Present+ Tab
20:13:48 <ChrisL> ed: next is svg paint in css generated images
20:14:07 <ChrisL> ChrisL: tab you will be there?
20:14:10 <ChrisL> tab: yes
20:14:31 <ChrisL> ed: can you prepare a wiki page describing this, or a link to a proposal, for the meeting?
20:14:51 <ChrisL> tab: sure will send link later today ... wait 2 weeks ago. dean responded
20:15:02 <ChrisL> shepazu; saw that, good idea
20:15:19 <ChrisL> tab: wil ladd to spec after wd is published
20:15:34 <ChrisL> fantasai; its already copied to /TR so start editing the ED
20:16:09 <ChrisL> ed: next is filter effects, dino and i working on this. one thing is defining hit testng
20:16:18 <ChrisL> ... pointer events mostly
20:16:30 <ChrisL> ... also the enable-background possible deprecation
20:16:45 <ChrisL> ... will update spec to 1.1se before meeting, also some new things
20:17:03 <ChrisL> ... these topics came up before
20:18:13 <ChrisL> ChrisL; with feDisplace it makes a big difference and people will be surprised
20:18:46 <ChrisL> shepazu; there was mention of an opacity filter for pointer events. some maths discussions but its interesting
20:19:02 <ChrisL> smfr; seems like we should talk about this at f2f
20:19:34 <ChrisL> ed; doug maybe we can collect info on a wiki page for that agenda item
20:19:59 <ChrisL> shepazu; happy to write up a strawman spec text. not seen input from tantek on that
20:20:14 <ChrisL> ... it affects css3 ui
20:20:24 <fantasai> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-ui/#pointer-events
20:20:32 <ChrisL> ed: next topic is extending svg compositing to css
20:20:47 <ed> http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGCompositing/
20:21:02 <ChrisL> tab: not sure on technical side but it seems readsonable. want to see how it would be used in css. 
20:21:17 <ChrisL> ... not sure how its would be used in html/css
20:22:07 <TabAtkins_> tab: It seems very sensitive to the order of elements in the DOM, which may be troublesome when used with HTML, but then it might be okay, based on use-cases.
20:22:32 <ChrisL> ed: ast item is fx transforms, which covers 2d transforms
20:23:09 <ChrisL> ChrisL: status of 3d transforms wrt that?
20:23:30 <ChrisL> smfr: vincent was asking for that. 3d tx is laid ontop of 2d so they need to be kept in sync
20:23:54 <ChrisL> ... reason we had sepeaate specs was that we assumed 2d would be implemented more quickly, which happened
20:24:24 <ChrisL> ChrisL: is the sync automatic or does it need work
20:24:29 <ChrisL> smfr: needs work
20:24:50 <ChrisL> ... 2d shoudl lay groundwork for 3d
20:25:00 <ChrisL> ed: so from that list, anything missing?
20:27:04 <ChrisL> ChrisL: 'restricted text' (CGM) replacement for SVG, is there something from css we can use there?
20:27:14 <fantasai> CGM?
20:27:29 <ChrisL> smfr: maybe we can get a solution for single line cases. css is the place for it. multiline is complicated
20:27:38 <ChrisL> ChrisL: maybe copyfir from gcpm?
20:27:44 <hober> fantasai: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Graphics_Metafile
20:27:45 <ChrisL> s/fir/fit
20:28:45 <ChrisL> ChrisL: will write it up before the f2f
20:29:25 <ChrisL> ed; parameters is not on the list of topics. room for discussion there?
20:29:44 <ChrisL> smfr: is that svg specific?
20:29:49 <ChrisL> ed: that is the question
20:30:03 <ChrisL> ... css3 images has a way to reference parts of images
20:30:13 <ChrisL> tab; which we get from media fragments
20:30:51 <ChrisL> smfr; maybe talk about media fragments. can also select part of n html document. somene suggested an id to a fragment ....
20:31:02 <ChrisL> tab; background-image-frame
20:31:19 <ChrisL> ... ie9 has multiple viewbox id support
20:31:26 <ChrisL> shepazu; link?
20:31:26 <hober> http://www.w3.org/mid/3C4041FF83E1E04A986B6DC50F0178290C57D9@TK5EX14MBXC297.redmond.corp.microsoft.com
20:31:36 <TabAtkins_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2011Jul/0139.html
20:32:31 <ChrisL> ed; for svg params, other params as well as viewBox. not clear if its useful outside of svg
20:32:47 <ChrisL> tab: there is intereting overlap, like the elem function in css3 images
20:32:51 <dbaron> is there any filter stuff that should be on the f2f agenda?
20:33:00 <ChrisL> dnaron, yes
20:34:08 <ChrisL> ed: in coming week, we wil settle the fx day agenda and get some writeups on thew wiki. send details to fx mail list or add it to the wiki
20:34:29 <ChrisL> smfr; location of fx meeting?
20:34:42 <ChrisL> ChrisL: same as css, microsoft confirmed they would host
20:35:03 <ChrisL> ed: also to confirm the dte since that came up recenltly. tues 26 july
20:35:15 <ChrisL> ed: any other topics? or end early
20:36:05 <ChrisL> shepazu; on params, we want ot be compatible with css and there were so many svg use cases so the syntax ... ebecauseoof thedifferent use cases, is there overlap.
20:36:27 <ChrisL> tab; so its acessed how do i use it as a css background
20:36:37 <ChrisL> shepazu; any url syntax so works anywhere
20:36:59 <ChrisL> ... passing in keyword parameters via the url
20:37:17 <ChrisL> ... we should talk about it but css is only affected indirectly
20:37:28 <ChrisL> ... what about passing parameters *to* css
20:37:45 <ChrisL> tab; ties into the variables spec. will be writing up that now. good to coordinate there
20:38:09 <ChrisL> shepazu: different use cases bt the more similarity in features the better. maybe a telcon about that
20:38:12 <ChrisL> tab; cool
20:38:28 <ChrisL> ed: any other business?
20:38:38 <ChrisL> rrsagent, list attendees?
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20:38:50 <ChrisL> zakim, list attendees?
20:38:50 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, ChrisL.
20:39:03 <ChrisL> ed: so unless any urgent business next meeting is f2f
20:39:08 <ChrisL> zakim, list attendees
20:39:08 <Zakim> sorry, ChrisL, I don't know what conference this is
20:39:14 <ChrisL> zakim you suck
20:39:55 <ChrisL> Present: Erik, Simin, dhober, fantasai, tab, Chris, dbaron
20:40:06 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
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20:40:32 <ChrisL> s/Simin/Simon
20:40:48 <ChrisL> Chair: Erik
20:41:10 <ChrisL> s/;/:/g
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20:42:14 <ChrisL> Present: Erik, Simon, dhober, fantasai, tab, Chris, dbaron, Doug
20:42:22 <ChrisL> Present: Erik, Simon, hober, fantasai, tab, Chris, dbaron, Doug
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20:49:59 <ChrisL> Regrets: dino, vincent
20:50:05 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
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