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13:48:09 <emma> zakim, this will be LLD
13:48:09 <Zakim> ok, emma; I see INC_LLDXG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
13:48:56 <emma> Meeting: LLD XG
13:50:12 <emma> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jul/0002.html
13:50:31 <emma> Previous: 2011-06-30 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html
13:51:37 <emma> Chair: Emma
13:51:48 <emma> rrsagent, please bookmark
13:51:48 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'please bookmark', emma.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
13:51:58 <emma> rrsagent, bookmark
13:51:58 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2011/07/07-lld-irc#T13-51-58
13:52:10 <emma> rrsagent, please draft minutes
13:52:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html emma
13:52:22 <emma> rrsagent, please make record public
13:53:31 <emma> Regrets: Tom, Jodi, Lars, Uldi, Jeff, Monica
13:53:47 <emma> s/Uldi/Uldis
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13:56:13 <AlexanderH> Hi Emma, I only can follow via IRC today
13:56:33 <emma> Hi Alex, thanks for being online anyway !
13:57:18 <emma> rrsagent, please draft minutes
13:57:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html emma
13:57:28 <Zakim> INC_LLDXG()10:00AM has now started
13:57:36 <Zakim> +emma
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14:00:00 <pmurray> zakim, aaaa is me
14:00:00 <Zakim> +pmurray; got it
14:00:10 <pmurray> zakim, mute me
14:00:10 <Zakim> pmurray should now be muted
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14:00:24 <lai> zakim, AZ is me.
14:00:24 <Zakim> +lai; got it
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14:01:03 <lai> hmm, a typo in my name ;-)
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14:01:22 <Zakim> +??P31
14:01:26 <digikim_> ARGH... how can it be that skype always wants to install something when I'm in a hurry
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14:01:42 <emma> zakim, zakim, ??P31 is kcoylme
14:01:50 <Zakim> I don't understand 'zakim, ??P31 is kcoylme', emma
14:01:50 <antoine> zakim, ??P30 is me
14:02:00 <Zakim> +antoine; got it
14:02:04 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes
14:02:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html antoine
14:02:05 <emma> zakim, ??P31 is kcoyle
14:02:22 <Zakim> +kcoyle; got it
14:02:40 <kai> @digikim: Dialing in with google talk is for free and works very good
14:02:46 <Zakim> +[LC]
14:02:49 <edsu> zakim, [lc] is edsu
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14:03:22 <emma> regrets+: ross
14:03:23 <Zakim> +edsu; got it
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14:04:37 <emma> zakim, aabb is jneubert
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14:04:46 <digikim_> zakim, ??P48 is digikim
14:04:54 <Zakim> +jneubert; got it
14:05:03 <Zakim> +digikim; got it
14:05:07 <dvilasuero> Hi, again having problems with my ip call
14:06:21 <Zakim> +??P51
14:07:11 <dvilasuero> thanks antoine
14:07:16 <dvilasuero> zakim, mute me
14:07:16 <Zakim> dvilasuero should now be muted
14:07:21 <antoine> Scribe: Karen
14:07:28 <antoine> Scribenick: kcoyle
14:08:12 <kcoyle> Topic: Admin minutes of previous telecon
14:08:12 <emma> Chair: Antoine
14:08:20 <kcoyle> resolved: accept minutes of previous teleconference
14:08:53 <kcoyle> No call next week; next call 21 July
14:09:09 <kcoyle> topic: final report
14:09:35 <antoine> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Dissemination_Lists
14:09:51 <kcoyle> calls have been sent to most/all lists in link
14:10:10 <kcoyle> digress.it plugin is installed, there are a few issues connecting
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14:10:28 <Zakim> +[LC]
14:10:28 <kefo> zakim, LC is me
14:10:32 <Zakim> +kefo; got it
14:10:37 <kefo> zakim, mute me please
14:10:43 <Zakim> kefo should now be muted
14:11:10 <antoine> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportReviewerAssignments
14:11:19 <kcoyle> keeping track of comments and reviews
14:12:01 <kcoyle> volunteers are keeping track of comments on the page
14:12:22 <kcoyle> ACTION: Monica to keep track of comments between July 1 and July 8
14:12:25 <kcoyle> -- DONE
14:12:42 <edsu> nice work on the blog btw, http://blogs.ukoln.ac.uk/w3clld/, i totally missed that it got done
14:12:56 <kcoyle> Next, kcoyle for the next week, and then Jeff for the following week
14:13:12 <dvilasuero> zakim, +q
14:13:12 <Zakim> I see dvilasuero on the speaker queue
14:13:20 <dvilasuero> zakim, unmute me
14:13:20 <Zakim> dvilasuero should no longer be muted
14:13:49 <kcoyle> ACTION: Daniel to keep track of comments from July 23-July 30
14:13:50 <dvilasuero> zakim, mute me
14:13:50 <Zakim> dvilasuero should now be muted
14:16:12 <emma> Kcoyle: section "scope of this report not commented"
14:16:29 <edsu> kcoyle: i don't recall comments about that, other than we should be talking about memory institutions and not cultural institutions, which should be included in the scope
14:16:35 <emma> ... need to take into account general comments
14:16:40 <kcoyle> There has been a comment that we should use 'memory institutions' rather than 'cultural institutions'
14:17:14 <edsu> antoine: do you think we  need to mention non-rdf linked data?
14:17:24 <antoine> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits#.22Library_Linked_Data.22:_Scope_of_this_report
14:17:37 <edsu> kcoyle: i think we could say it *generally* uses rdf, rather than it *does* use rdf
14:17:45 <edsu> antoine: ok, i think that was included
14:18:57 <edsu> kcoyle: we could say library linked data is any library data that is expressed as linked data
14:19:06 <emma> +1
14:19:13 <dvilasuero> +1
14:19:23 <edsu> antoine: perhaps nuancing the rdf stuff, or removing it all together
14:19:32 <edsu> kcoyle: yeah, i can fit that in there
14:19:39 <kcoyle> ... LLD = any library data expressed as linked data
14:19:46 <emma> q+
14:19:56 <antoine> zakim, ack emma
14:19:56 <Zakim> I see dvilasuero on the speaker queue
14:19:56 <dvilasuero> zakim, q-
14:19:57 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:20:54 <emma> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jun/0085.html
14:22:08 <kcoyle> mentions research use of data
14:22:12 <kcoyle> q+
14:22:35 <edsu> kcoyle: this is the type of use case that makes me uneasy about using 'memory institutions'
14:22:40 <antoine> q+
14:23:00 <emma> Dikson's review proposes a specific use case on researchers publishing their data and model as well as their papers
14:23:13 <edsu> kcoyle: the emphasis is on keeping an archive, whereas current uses seem to be really important ... not so much about access to archives
14:23:44 <emma> I'm wondering if it fits in "benefits" or elsewhere in the report
14:23:51 <edsu> antoine: perhaps if we just say they are sometimes called 'memory institutions' that will do the trick
14:24:11 <edsu> kcoyle: they 'function' as memory institions, but that's not all they do
14:24:15 <kcoyle> emma: cultural organization is more neutral and broader; memory institution seems limited to archiving
14:24:23 <Zakim> -pmurray
14:24:40 <kai> +1 for cultural institution
14:24:41 <dvilasuero> +1 kcoyle they could function as memory institutions
14:24:47 <antoine> +1 for cultural
14:24:51 <kcoyle> emma: include definition of memory and cultural in the scope statement
14:25:09 <emma> +1 for cultural, could function as memory institutions
14:25:20 <edsu> q+
14:25:30 <antoine> zakim, ack edsu
14:25:30 <Zakim> I see kcoyle, antoine on the speaker queue
14:26:09 <kcoyle> edsu: memory institution is more inclusive of the sciences; cultural feels more like history, literature, art (humanities)
14:26:09 <dvilasuero> +1 edsu, memory is more inclusive
14:26:17 <kcoyle> edsu: there is also short-term memory 
14:27:14 <kai> we should define it anyway. cultural could also be something like theatre. memory is only one aspect for me, access would be another.
14:27:15 <kcoyle> antoine: define them together in scope
14:27:42 <emma> I just recorded a comment on the blog ;-)
14:27:56 <emma> will need to be turned into a sentence
14:28:05 <kcoyle> i can try to write a sentence
14:28:25 <emma> ok
14:28:28 <kcoyle> ok
14:29:04 <kcoyle> ACTION: Karen and Emma to write a sentence adding cultural and memory institutions together in some way
14:29:32 <kcoyle> Dickson's comment about using research data
14:29:38 <kcoyle> q+
14:29:50 <antoine> q-
14:30:13 <antoine> zakim, ack kcoyle
14:30:13 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:31:33 <dvilasuero> q+
14:31:57 <antoine> zakim, ack dvilasuero
14:31:57 <Zakim> unmuting dvilasuero
14:31:59 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:31:59 <dvilasuero> zakim, unmute me
14:31:59 <Zakim> dvilasuero was not muted, dvilasuero
14:32:04 <antoine> q+
14:32:11 <dvilasuero> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Citation_of_Scientific_Datasets
14:32:20 <kcoyle> daniel: there are some use cases talking about research and scientific data sets
14:33:09 <kcoyle> antoine: issue of scope - not sure we should say that libraries should be curators of scientific data
14:33:21 <dvilasuero> zakim, unmute me
14:33:21 <Zakim> dvilasuero was not muted, dvilasuero
14:33:22 <emma> q+
14:33:26 <dvilasuero> zakim, mute me
14:33:26 <Zakim> dvilasuero should now be muted
14:33:37 <antoine> zakim, ack antoine
14:33:37 <Zakim> I see emma on the speaker queue
14:33:48 <antoine> zakim, ack emma
14:33:48 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:33:49 <kcoyle> emma: this is a scope issue - it is a benefit of LLD to link to scientific and research data
14:33:50 <edsu> emma: +1
14:34:17 <edsu> i don't think libraries are the only players in library linked data
14:34:31 <kcoyle> antoine: this makes a connection between libraries and research data, but doesn't say that libraries need to manage the data
14:34:40 <kcoyle> emma: will add a sentence
14:35:35 <kcoyle> antoine: and make a link to the citation use case; try to relate to use cases elsewhere also
14:35:37 <dvilasuero> emma if you need a more comprehensive list of research data use cases just let me know 
14:35:56 <kcoyle> antoine: section on available vocabularies and data sets
14:36:36 <kcoyle> antoine: some editorial comments have been received; also question of division between vocabularies and data sets
14:36:42 <kcoyle> antoine: we already have discussed that
14:37:10 <kcoyle> antoine: value vocabs are datasets with a specific function
14:37:18 <kcoyle> q+
14:37:26 <antoine> zakim, ack kcoyle
14:37:26 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:37:53 <edsu> kcoyle: i think even we find this to be ambiguous, i thought that we covered it in our wording, but if we acknowledge there is ambiguity then I think that takes care of it
14:38:05 <kcoyle> antoine: wording needs to be more explicit
14:38:54 <kcoyle> antoine: we agree that the definitions are not fixed but may depend on context or use
14:39:44 <kcoyle> relevant technologies section: Jeff has made changes based on Jon's comments
14:41:11 <kcoyle> next: implementation challenges
14:43:45 <kcoyle> both issues and recommendations sections will have many comments
14:45:02 <kcoyle> ACTION: Karen will convene issues and recommendations group to identify things that need to be discussed with larger group for July 21 meeting
14:45:45 <kcoyle> ACTION: Karen and Antoine to relate Library Data Resources and Library Standards and Linked data
14:45:50 <kcoyle> -- ConTINues
14:46:44 <kcoyle> ACTION: Tom to ask Dickson and Guenther if they could contribute curriculum issues to the Recommendations Section
14:46:48 <kcoyle> --CONTINUES
14:47:13 <kcoyle> next: separate deliverable on vocabularies and datasets
14:47:27 <kcoyle> nothing new to discuss here
14:47:54 <dvilasuero> zakim, unmute me
14:47:54 <Zakim> dvilasuero should no longer be muted
14:47:56 <kcoyle> next: use cases (Daniel)
14:48:24 <kcoyle> daniel: adding comments to the clusters and use cases from discussions
14:48:34 <kcoyle> antoine: use case owners should be able to help
14:49:21 <edsu> kai: are you at the provenance f2f?
14:49:46 <kai> edsu: unfortunately not
14:50:03 <edsu> kai: i guess there's no mtg today?
14:50:21 <kcoyle> dvilasuero: will create a new wiki page with links to use cases; this can go into the running agenda
14:50:40 <kai> edsu: I don't think so
14:51:02 <kcoyle> dvilasuero: could someone go through the report and give some feedback? 
14:51:58 <emma> I'd like to do it, but I'm not sure I'll make it by july 22
14:52:05 <kcoyle> antoine: best not to wait until end of comment period -- there won't be much time to do the edits at that point
14:52:11 <kcoyle> maybe ask on the list?
14:52:47 <emma> ok so put me an action ;-)
14:52:52 <dvilasuero> thanks, karen maybe I could ask more explictly as I have already done but in other review emails
14:53:49 <kcoyle> ACTION: Emma to review use cases and make comments
14:54:01 <dvilasuero> thanks a lot emma!!
14:54:15 <dvilasuero> zakim, mute me
14:54:15 <Zakim> dvilasuero should now be muted
14:54:50 <kcoyle> kcoyle: executive summary?
14:55:45 <kcoyle> antoine: no one yet assigned to work on this. Should be done at the very end
14:56:21 <kcoyle> ACTION: chairs to send email to list asking for volunteers to write the executive summary
14:56:52 <digikim_> thanks
14:56:56 <dvilasuero> thanks!
14:57:03 <kefo> bye
14:57:05 <dvilasuero> bye
14:57:07 <Zakim> -lai
14:57:08 <Zakim> -edsu
14:57:10 <Zakim> -digikim
14:57:11 <jneubert> bye
14:57:14 <Zakim> -dvilasuero
14:57:14 <antoine> zakim, please list attendees
14:57:14 <kcoyle> meeting adjourned
14:57:15 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been emma, +1.678.235.aaaa, pmurray, lai, antoine, kcoyle, edsu, +49.4.aabb, jneubert, digikim, dvilasuero, kefo
14:57:20 <Zakim> -jneubert
14:57:21 <Zakim> -kefo
14:57:25 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes
14:57:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html antoine
14:57:25 <emma> rrsagent, please draft minutes
14:57:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html emma
14:59:07 <Zakim> -kcoyle
14:59:10 <Zakim> -emma
14:59:17 <Zakim> -antoine
14:59:18 <Zakim> INC_LLDXG()10:00AM has ended
14:59:20 <antoine> zakim, bye
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14:59:25 <antoine> rrsagent, bye
14:59:25 <RRSAgent> I see 8 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/07-lld-actions.rdf :
14:59:25 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Monica to keep track of comments between July 1 and July 8 [1]
14:59:25 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/07-lld-irc#T14-12-22
14:59:25 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Daniel to keep track of comments from July 23-July 30 [2]
14:59:25 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/07-lld-irc#T14-13-49
14:59:25 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Karen and Emma to write a sentence adding cultural and memory institutions together in some way [3]
14:59:25 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/07-lld-irc#T14-29-04
14:59:25 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Karen will convene issues and recommendations group to identify things that need to be discussed with larger group for July 21 meeting [4]
14:59:25 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/07-lld-irc#T14-45-02
14:59:25 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Karen and Antoine to relate Library Data Resources and Library Standards and Linked data [5]
14:59:25 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/07-lld-irc#T14-45-45
14:59:25 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Tom to ask Dickson and Guenther if they could contribute curriculum issues to the Recommendations Section [6]
14:59:25 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/07-lld-irc#T14-46-44
14:59:25 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Emma to review use cases and make comments [7]
14:59:25 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/07-lld-irc#T14-53-49
14:59:25 <RRSAgent> ACTION: chairs to send email to list asking for volunteers to write the executive summary [8]
14:59:25 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/07-lld-irc#T14-56-21