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08:57:54 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG
08:57:54 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_MFWG()5:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
08:57:55 <trackbot> Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
08:57:55 <trackbot> Date: 06 July 2011
08:58:47 <Zakim> IA_MFWG()5:00AM has now started
08:58:54 <raphael> Chair: Erik, Raphael
08:58:55 <Zakim> + +421209aaaa
08:59:05 <doublec> Zakim, aaaa is me
08:59:05 <Zakim> +doublec; got it
08:59:12 <raphael> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Jul/0003.html
08:59:45 <Zakim> +raphael
09:00:19 <raphael> Present: raphael, chris, davy, yves, thomas, silvia
09:00:26 <raphael> Regrets: jack, philip
09:00:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/06-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
09:01:52 <Zakim> +Yves
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09:03:45 <doublec> Zakim, mute me
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09:04:32 <Zakim> +Davy
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09:05:46 <raphael> Topic: 1. Admin
09:05:52 <doublec> Zakim, mute me
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09:06:05 <raphael> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the last week telecon, http://www.w3.org/2011/06/29-mediafrag-minutes.html
09:06:10 <davy> +1
09:06:12 <raphael> +1
09:06:12 <doublec> +1
09:06:18 <raphael> minutes accepted
09:06:22 <Zakim> +tomayac
09:06:24 <raphael> ACTION-203?
09:06:24 <trackbot> ACTION-203 -- Thomas Steiner to build a media fragment URI parser in javascript -- due 2011-01-31 -- CLOSED
09:06:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/203
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09:06:36 <raphael> ACTION-230?
09:06:36 <trackbot> ACTION-230 -- Raphaël Troncy to open a questionnaire for splitting out or not (the section 5.2 of) the spec -- due 2011-06-29 -- OPEN
09:06:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/230
09:07:01 <raphael> close ACTION-230
09:07:01 <trackbot> ACTION-230 Open a questionnaire for splitting out or not (the section 5.2 of) the spec closed
09:07:18 <raphael> Raphael: results of the poll have shown by a short majority to not split the spec at this stage
09:07:27 <raphael> Topic: 2. Spec Maintenance
09:07:33 <raphael> ACTIOn-229?
09:07:33 <trackbot> ACTION-229 -- Raphaël Troncy to bring the CSS/SVG/Media Fragments possible issues to the CG group -- due 2011-06-29 -- OPEN
09:07:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/229
09:09:15 <doublec> Sounds good
09:09:30 <tomayac> +1
09:09:38 <davy> +1
09:09:40 <raphael> Raphael: we should perhaps say explicitely in the spec that the behaviour of multi resolution images is undefined for media fragments
09:09:42 <erik> +1
09:09:59 <raphael> ... this will address the comments from fantasai
09:11:40 <raphael> ... should we edit http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#media-fragment-display ?
09:12:48 <raphael> Yves: rather after http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#naming-space in a note
09:13:51 <Yves> Note that in the case of pixel-based clipping areas, application of those areas to multi-resolution visual media is undefined.
09:14:06 <Yves> (multi-resolutions)
09:15:49 <doublec> Zakim, unmute me
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09:16:17 <raphael> Chris: send comments regarding the ABNF syntax of npt
09:17:40 <raphael> Yves: indeed, the grammar is just here for validating the syntax ... you need to do your own parsing rules to implement the grammar
09:18:01 <raphael> ... I will look at my own parser since I don't remember to have any issues
09:18:58 <raphael> ... I will check if my grammar is in syn with the spec
09:19:04 <doublec> Zakim, mute me
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09:19:14 <raphael> ACTION: Yves to check if his grammar is in synch with the latest version of the spec
09:19:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-231 - Check if his grammar is in synch with the latest version of the spec [on Yves Lafon - due 2011-07-13].
09:19:56 <raphael> Topic: 3. Test Cases
09:20:04 <raphael> ACTION-223?
09:20:04 <trackbot> ACTION-223 -- Raphaël Troncy to start up a thread for discussion and approval of all test cases for the UA for the temporal dimension -- due 2011-06-15 -- OPEN
09:20:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/223
09:20:12 <raphael> close ACTION-223
09:20:13 <trackbot> ACTION-223 Start up a thread for discussion and approval of all test cases for the UA for the temporal dimension closed
09:20:35 <raphael> Raphael: no discussion on this thread?
09:20:44 <raphael> ... does it mean you *all* agree?
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09:21:41 <raphael> Davy: if I remember, Opera has some facility to run a test suite and test the briwser
09:21:47 <doublec> Zakim, unmute me
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09:21:47 <raphael> s/briwser/browser
09:22:05 <raphael> Chris: we have also a framework to run a test suite
09:23:50 <doublec> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/ua-test-cases
09:23:58 <raphael> Chris: I will look at how the TC are written in a machine readable way
09:24:09 <davy> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/ua-test-cases.n3 
09:24:14 <davy> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/ua-test-cases.rdf
09:24:39 <Zakim> +silvia
09:25:33 <silvia> zakim, mute me
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09:26:59 <doublec> Zakim, mute me
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09:27:02 <raphael> ACTION: Chris to use the machine readable descriptions of the test cases (n3, rdf) for adapting to the Mozilla test suite framework
09:27:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-232 - Use the machine readable descriptions of the test cases (n3, rdf) for adapting to the Mozilla test suite framework [on Chris Double - due 2011-07-13].
09:27:24 <doublec> Ok, thanks
09:27:57 <doublec> Zakim, unmute me
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09:28:35 <raphael> Thread to consider http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Jun/0050.html
09:28:39 <silvia> I haven't reviewed the recent list either - I did lots earlier - Chris's suggestion sounds good
09:30:37 <silvia> zakim, who is here?
09:30:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see doublec, raphael, Yves, Davy, tomayac, silvia (muted)
09:30:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see silvia, erik, tomayac, davy, Zakim, RRSAgent, raphael, foolip, Yves, trackbot, doublec
09:30:57 <raphael> Raphael: 34 remaining TC that should be valid
09:31:31 <raphael> Chris: I can take the range 66 to 94 and write to the list by tomorrow
09:31:37 <silvia> zakim, unmute me
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09:31:38 <tomayac> can you simply assign them? raphael?
09:31:53 <raphael> Silvia: I do 27 to 65
09:32:00 <silvia> zakim, mute me
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09:32:14 <doublec> Zakim, mute me
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09:32:21 <raphael> Thomas: I do 6 to 26
09:33:19 <raphael> Raphael: we review those batches next week depending on the problems encountered
09:33:31 <silvia> zakim, unmute me
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09:33:49 <raphael> Topic: 4. HTML5 liaisin
09:33:56 <raphael> s/liaisin/liaison
09:34:08 <raphael> Raphael: what is the overall HTML5 timeline?
09:34:26 <raphael> Silvia: I haven't look at our bugs since a while
09:35:10 <raphael> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10723
09:35:51 <doublec> I'll comment in 10723 what I plan to implement
09:36:02 <raphael> thanks Chris
09:36:11 <raphael> Raphael: loop attribute, will it be deprecated?
09:36:22 <raphael> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12426
09:36:46 <doublec> Zakim,un mute me
09:36:46 <Zakim> I don't understand 'un mute me', doublec
09:36:54 <doublec> Zakim, unmute me
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09:38:24 <raphael> Chris: we can revisit the loop attribute by changing to the in media element
09:38:32 <raphael> ... in fragment
09:39:05 <raphael> s/in/int
09:39:41 <raphael> Chris: I will edit the bug with this
09:39:47 <silvia> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011May/0162.html
09:40:17 <doublec> Zakim, mute me
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09:41:04 <doublec> Yep, I'll comment on the bugs after the call
09:41:38 <raphael> Raphael: should we organize a group review of the HTML5 spec?
09:41:53 <raphael> ... or will the bugs entered be enough?
09:42:02 <doublec> I think the entered bugs are enough
09:42:03 <tomayac> i guess we're fine w/ the entered bugs
09:42:06 <raphael> Silvia: I'm not keen to do a full review of the spec, this is a lot of reading
09:42:31 <raphael> Topic: 5. AOB
09:42:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/06-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
09:43:45 <doublec> Zakim, unmute me
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09:45:53 <Zakim> -raphael
09:45:54 <Zakim> -Yves
09:45:54 <Zakim> -tomayac
09:45:55 <Zakim> -doublec
09:45:57 <Zakim> -silvia
09:45:59 <Zakim> -Davy
09:45:59 <Zakim> IA_MFWG()5:00AM has ended
09:46:00 <Zakim> Attendees were +421209aaaa, doublec, raphael, Yves, Davy, tomayac, silvia
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09:46:12 <raphael> Silvia: when we transition to CR?
09:46:24 <raphael> Raphael: just after CSS review of the spec
09:46:57 <raphael> ... exiting CR will require to have 2 implementations for all features, some features might get out of the spec if they are not implemented
09:47:07 <raphael> ... all implementations count (from the group and from outsiders)
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09:48:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/06-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
09:50:29 <raphael> zakim, bye
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09:57:57 <silvia> doublec: is Mozilla planning to implement the loop attribute?
09:58:19 <doublec> silvia: yes, but we're a fair way away from doing it
09:58:48 <doublec> silvia: it requires a bunch of work for us to do gapless audio looping
09:59:05 <silvia> ok, can I say that you have no immediate plans of implementing it?
09:59:13 <doublec> that would be true
09:59:24 <silvia> thanks
10:12:11 <raphael> RRSAgent, bye
10:12:11 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/06-mediafrag-actions.rdf :
10:12:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to check if his grammar is in synch with the latest version of the spec [1]
10:12:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/06-mediafrag-irc#T09-19-14
10:12:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Chris to use the machine readable descriptions of the test cases (n3, rdf) for adapting to the Mozilla test suite framework [2]
10:12:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/06-mediafrag-irc#T09-27-02