IRC log of dap on 2011-07-06

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Zakim, this will be DAP

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ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 33 minutes

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Meeting: Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 06 July 2011

13:27:53 [fjh]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Jul/0055.html

13:29:00 [fjh]

Regrets+ Dzung_Tran, Niklas_Widell

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Chair: Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch

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Present+ Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch

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Regrets+ Cécile_Marc

13:51:56 [ernesto_jimenez]

hi fjh

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13:53:07 [ernesto_jimenez]

fjh, is the +44 number from your email working? I tried that number the other day and didn't get to Zakim :)

13:56:10 [ernesto_jimenez]

ok, I think it might be outdated, the phone was answered by a person who didn't know what I was talking about XD

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14:00:31 [ernesto_jimenez]

fjh: thx, I have the VOIP and the US number, so no need for the list right now, but it would be nice to check the numbers sent to the mailing list are not outdated :)

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UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started

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+ +44.208.144.aaaa

14:01:22 [richt]

zakim, aaaa is me

14:01:22 [Zakim]

+richt; got it

14:01:27 [ernesto_jimenez]

my pleasure :)

14:01:29 [richt]

Present+ Rich_Tibbett

14:01:48 [SungOk_You]

Present+ SungOk_You

14:01:51 [Zakim]

+??P14

14:01:58 [darobin]

Zakim, ??P14 is me

14:01:58 [Zakim]

+darobin; got it

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Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen

14:02:29 [Zakim]

+??P16

14:02:33 [AnssiK]

zakim, ??P16 is me

14:02:33 [Zakim]

+AnssiK; got it

14:03:04 [Zakim]

+??P25

14:03:12 [Zakim]

+??P26

14:03:19 [fjh]

zakim, ??P26 is me

14:03:19 [Zakim]

+fjh; got it

14:03:20 [Zakim]

+jsoref

14:03:21 [darobin]

Zakim, passcode?

14:03:22 [Zakim]

the conference code is 3279 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), darobin

14:03:32 [Zakim]

+ +44.778.611.aabb

14:03:33 [SungOk_You]

zakim, ??P25 is me.

14:03:33 [Zakim]

+SungOk_You; got it

14:03:36 [ernesto_jimenez]

Present+ Ernesto_Jimenez

14:03:50 [fjh]

zakim, zakim, code?

14:03:50 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, fjh.

14:04:11 [darobin]

Zakim, aabb is ernesto_jimenez

14:04:11 [Zakim]

+ernesto_jimenez; got it

14:04:12 [Zakim]

+ +82.31.30.1.aacc

14:04:36 [wonsuk]

zakim, +82.31.30.1.aacc is me

14:04:36 [Zakim]

+wonsuk; got it

14:04:44 [fjh]

zakim, who is here?

14:04:44 [Zakim]

On the phone I see richt, darobin, AnssiK, SungOk_You, fjh, jsoref, ernesto_jimenez, wonsuk

14:04:46 [ernesto_jimenez]

the 44

14:04:47 [Zakim]

On IRC I see AnssiK, darobin, wonsuk, SungOk_You, ernesto_jimenez, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, richt, jsoref, wmaslowski, lgombos, ilkka, ingmar, dom, trackbot

14:04:53 [darobin]

Scribe: jsoref

14:04:54 [wonsuk]

Present+ Wonsuk_Lee

14:04:58 [darobin]

ScribeNick: jsoref

14:05:03 [Cathy]

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14:05:25 [fjh]

zakim, who is here?

14:05:25 [Zakim]

On the phone I see richt, darobin, AnssiK, SungOk_You, fjh, jsoref, ernesto_jimenez, wonsuk

14:05:30 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Cathy, AnssiK, darobin, wonsuk, SungOk_You, ernesto_jimenez, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, richt, jsoref, wmaslowski, lgombos, ilkka, ingmar, dom, trackbot

14:05:39 [fjh]

Topic: Administrative

14:06:03 [jsoref]

Present+ Josh_Soref

14:06:32 [fjh]

19-21 July F2F logistics, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-device-apis/2011Apr/0000.html

14:06:41 [jsoref]

fjh: F2F is coming, fast

14:06:47 [fjh]

Please register - http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/paris-2011/

14:06:49 [jsoref]

... please register ... registration is still open

14:06:57 [jsoref]

... hopefully everyone is already registered

14:07:01 [fjh]

Draft minutes Identity in the Browser workshop

14:07:02 [darobin]

[we have 20 attendees for the f2f, which is good]

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http://www.w3.org/wiki/IdentityBrowser

14:07:09 [jsoref]

... Any other announcements?

14:07:20 [jsoref]

Topic: Minutes approval

14:07:24 [fjh]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Jun/att-0114/29-dap-minutes.html

14:07:24 [fjh]

proposed RESOLUTION: Minutes from 29 June 2011 are approved

14:07:40 [jsoref]

RESOLUTION: Minutes from 29 June 2011 are approved

14:07:48 [jsoref]

Topic: Privacy Best Practices

14:07:53 [fjh]

New draft, see http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/privacy-practices/

14:08:17 [jsoref]

I plan to give some comments, i just haven't had time to yet

14:08:27 [jsoref]

fjh: we'll take it to the list

14:08:34 [jsoref]

Topic: Battery Status

14:08:36 [fjh]

Draft updated, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Jun/0123.html

14:08:41 [jsoref]

fjh: I know AnssiK did some work

14:08:50 [jsoref]

AnssiK: yeah, i did some work, mainly based on dougt's feedback

14:09:01 [jsoref]

... I added BatteryLow and BatteryCritical

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... and some other minor changes

14:09:29 [jsoref]

fjh: I think we need review on the Battery Draft

14:09:36 [jsoref]

... I think we're planning on a LC at the F2F

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Topic: Contacts

14:09:52 [jsoref]

darobin: i'm not sure how much we have to talk on the call

14:10:00 [jsoref]

... We got feedback from XXX

14:10:10 [fjh]

s/XXX/i8n

14:10:13 [jsoref]

... We got lots of good feedback

14:10:17 [jsoref]

s/i8n/i18n/

14:10:26 [Zakim]

+Cathy

14:10:32 [jsoref]

darobin: I've provided personal responses

14:10:52 [jsoref]

... We will at some point need to accept or replace them with official WG responses

14:11:01 [fjh]

f2f agenda item to review and provide official responses to contacts issues raised

14:11:04 [jsoref]

... Beyond that, there's some discussion on the WebKit dev list

14:11:18 [jsoref]

... General feedback is that the feature could be interesting

14:11:21 [fjh]

rrsagent, generate minutes

14:11:21 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/06-dap-minutes.html fjh

14:11:25 [jsoref]

... but people seem to prefer integration with WebForms

14:11:29 [Zakim]

-Cathy

14:11:35 [jsoref]

... <input type=contact> or somesuch

14:11:44 [jsoref]

... I need to prod people to provide formal feedback

14:11:44 [darobin]

s/WebForms/web forms/

14:11:47 [Zakim]

+Cathy

14:11:49 [jsoref]

... e.g. as LC FeedBack

14:12:07 [jsoref]

... I don't know if richard has any XXX to do

14:12:12 [fjh]

s/hi fjh//

14:12:21 [fjh]

s/XXX/actions/

14:12:36 [fjh]

s/fjh, is the +44 number from your email working? I tried that number the other day and didn't get to Zakim :)//

14:12:39 [jsoref]

darobin: If you have answers to feedback, you're more than welcome to provide them now

14:12:51 [jsoref]

richt: I've been collecting feedback

14:12:54 [fjh]

s/ok, I think it might be outdated, the phone was answered by a person who didn't know what I was talking about XD//

14:13:02 [fjh]

s/fjh: thx, I have the VOIP and the US number, so no need for the list right now, but it would be nice to check the numbers sent to the mailing list are not outdated :)//

14:13:06 [jsoref]

... and once the 15th comes around, i'll provide feedback

14:13:15 [fjh]

s/actions/responses to issues

14:13:16 [jsoref]

darobin: how are you collecting it?

14:13:24 [fjh]

s/y pleasure :)//

14:13:26 [jsoref]

... if you're so inclined, there's a tool for collecting them

14:13:31 [fjh]

s/my pleasure :)//

14:13:36 [jsoref]

richt: that'd be good to have

14:13:38 [darobin]

https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/43696/WD-contacts-api-20110616/

14:13:38 [fjh]

s/the 44//

14:13:55 [jsoref]

richt: It'd be good if people would tag emails, e.g. [Contacts]

14:14:02 [jsoref]

... So I could filter feedback...

14:14:17 [jsoref]

darobin: It's a bit late now, but people generally have included "Contacts" in the Subject

14:14:34 [jsoref]

fjh: Tentative ACTION on richt to enter feedback into the tracker tool

14:14:43 [jsoref]

richt: I'm going to enter XX2 into the tool

14:14:51 [jsoref]

... it's a good way to track things

14:15:11 [jsoref]

darobin: I don't think we need to give richt an action, as darobin and fjh have an action to use the tool

14:15:19 [fjh]

richt, it would help if you send a message with links to issue emails to the list as a summary, then we can help with the tool

14:15:29 [jsoref]

richt: I'm open to people doing CVS commits directly to the draft

14:15:44 [jsoref]

[ scribe doesn't have CVS / hg access and should get that set up at some point ]

14:15:52 [jsoref]

darobin: I don't know if ernesto_jimenez has XX3

14:15:59 [jsoref]

ernesto_jimenez: I'm still getting up to speed

14:16:08 [jsoref]

darobin: Please feel free to jump in

14:16:16 [jsoref]

... it's ok if you break something, it's easy to fix

14:16:30 [fjh]

s/XX3/interest in editing now/

14:16:36 [jsoref]

fjh: Anything else on Contacts?

14:16:48 [jsoref]

Topic: Permissions API

14:17:03 [fjh]

s/fjh: Anything else/darobin: Anything else/

14:17:21 [jsoref]

darobin: The older drafts for the spec route to the new one

14:17:25 [fjh]

Dom shared related blog discussion, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Jun/0126.html

14:17:34 [AnssiK]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Jul/0029.html

14:17:35 [jsoref]

... there's been some feedback from Anne which we should take into account

14:17:48 [jsoref]

... in Laslo's absence, it's hard to progress

14:18:33 [richt]

RE: f2f. Iwill be on holiday from 21st July. Still need to check for 19th/20th.

14:18:33 [jsoref]

Topic: F2F Planning

14:18:46 [jsoref]

fjh: I don't know the Paris area well

14:18:52 [richt]

deadline for F2F registration is 12th?

14:18:55 [jsoref]

... We need to figure out what time we should start

14:19:04 [jsoref]

... we probably don't want to start too early on the first day

14:19:14 [jsoref]

darobin: I guess we could start at 9am

14:19:33 [jsoref]

fjh: For east-coast west-coast, people tend to try to fly in same day

14:19:45 [jsoref]

darobin: I don't think anyone reasonable would try to fly in same day

14:19:53 [jsoref]

darobin: I'd suggest 9am-5pm each day

14:20:06 [jsoref]

fjh: But we might want to break earlier on the last day (Thursday)

14:20:18 [jsoref]

... Privacy, XXX4

14:20:18 [darobin]

close ACTION-401

14:20:18 [trackbot]

ACTION-401 Suggest redirecting previous copy of features permissions to new one to Web Notif WG closed

14:20:46 [jsoref]

richt: We did some work on XX5

14:20:59 [jsoref]

... we'd like to give feedback

14:21:12 [jsoref]

s/XX5/Discovery/

14:21:31 [jsoref]

darobin: Please add a slot for Discovery to the F2F

14:21:47 [jsoref]

fjh: I guess we should go through the new Charter

14:21:50 [jsoref]

... and see where we are

14:21:54 [jsoref]

... what we haven't started

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... etc

14:22:08 [fjh]

add slot to agenda on privacy, charter review and work planning

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14:22:34 [jsoref]

fjh: Anyone prepared to talk about Testing/IOP?

14:22:51 [jsoref]

darobin: We could certainly discuss it at a high level

14:23:03 [fjh]

add item re testing , discuss with Francois

14:23:20 [jsoref]

darobin: We could add test assertions to items

14:23:33 [jsoref]

[ Discuss Lunch @ F2F ]

14:23:49 [jsoref]

darobin: If anyone wants to do an evening out in Paris, we could probably organize that

14:24:01 [jsoref]

fjh: we need to have the Agenda out by Yesterday

14:24:03 [jsoref]

... ok...

14:24:17 [jsoref]

ernesto_jimenez: We were asked about Use cases for the Contacts API

14:24:30 [jsoref]

... it might be useful to have Use cases for each API

14:24:39 [darobin]

http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/F2F_Agenda_19,_20,_21_July_2011,_Paris

14:24:51 [jsoref]

darobin: I'll add a topic for Use Cases

14:25:01 [jsoref]

... anyone can add topics to the list at the top

14:25:20 [jsoref]

... fjh and i will try to arrange the agenda so it makes sense for the three days of the meeting

14:25:27 [jsoref]

... i don't think we have a Logistics page

14:25:28 [AnssiK]

q+ re Battery Status agenda for F2F and the way forward

14:25:29 [jsoref]

fjh: I think we do

14:25:34 [richt]

we've explored use cases previously so we should work from those.

14:25:37 [jsoref]

... let me post the link

14:25:40 [jsoref]

... oh it's a PDF

14:25:43 [fjh]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-device-apis/2011Apr/att-0000/W3C_DAC_F2F_Meeting_Paris2011_Hotels_and_Travel.pdf

14:26:09 [jsoref]

darobin: I'll add that to the wiki so it's easy to find

14:27:09 [jsoref]

ack anssik

14:27:09 [Zakim]

AnssiK, you wanted to discuss Battery Status agenda for F2F and the way forward

14:27:26 [jsoref]

AnssiK: I'll be unavailable until the F2F

14:27:43 [jsoref]

... please feel free to edit the spec directly in the interim to add e.g. UCs to the Spec

14:27:54 [jsoref]

fjh: and if we decide to publish, that's ok, too?

14:28:00 [jsoref]

AnssiK: sure

14:28:05 [jsoref]

darobin: Anything else?

14:28:06 [jsoref]

[ no ]

14:28:11 [jsoref]

[ Adjourned ]

14:28:19 [Zakim]

-darobin

14:28:21 [Zakim]

-AnssiK

14:28:24 [jsoref]

RRSAgent, make minutes

14:28:24 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/06-dap-minutes.html jsoref

14:28:24 [fjh]

rrsagent, generate minutes

14:28:24 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/06-dap-minutes.html fjh

14:28:30 [Zakim]

-richt

14:28:32 [Zakim]

-Cathy

14:28:34 [Zakim]

-ernesto_jimenez

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-wonsuk

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-fjh

14:28:43 [Zakim]

-SungOk_You

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-jsoref

14:29:04 [Zakim]

UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were +44.208.144.aaaa, richt, darobin, AnssiK, fjh, jsoref, +44.778.611.aabb, SungOk_You, ernesto_jimenez, wonsuk, Cathy

14:29:09 [jsoref]

RRSAgent, bye

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I see no action items