19:27:01 RRSAgent has joined #ws-ra 19:27:01 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/07/05-ws-ra-irc 19:27:03 RRSAgent, make logs public 19:27:03 Zakim has joined #ws-ra 19:27:05 Zakim, this will be WSRA 19:27:05 ok, trackbot; I see WS_WSRA()3:30PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes 19:27:06 Meeting: Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference 19:27:06 Date: 05 July 2011 19:27:35 WS_WSRA()3:30PM has now started 19:27:41 +??P3 19:27:55 zakim, ??P3 is Bob 19:27:55 +Bob; got it 19:28:50 Dug has joined #ws-ra 19:29:30 +Doug_Davis 19:32:06 gpilz has joined #ws-ra 19:32:16 asoldano has joined #ws-ra 19:32:57 +Tom_Rutt 19:32:58 +Gil 19:33:21 +Alessio 19:34:10 trutt has joined #ws-ra 19:34:15 +Yves 19:36:29 SCRIBE: gpilz 19:36:48 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2011Jul/0002.html 19:37:10 TOPIC: Agenda 19:37:21 RESOLUTION: Agenda agreed 19:37:33 TOPIC: Approval of Minutes 19:37:41 RESOLUTION: minutes approved 19:37:47 TOPIC: New Issues 19:38:20 Issue-13016: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13016 19:38:20 Sorry... adding notes to ISSUE-13016 failed, please let sysreq know about it 19:38:57 Gil: looks like a typo 19:39:08 Bob: issue accepted 19:39:17 Doug: it's already been fixed 19:39:30 Bob: any objection to just fixing this? 19:39:41 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13148 19:39:42 RESOLUTION: Doug's proposal accepted 19:40:10 Issue-13148: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13148 19:40:10 Sorry... adding notes to ISSUE-13148 failed, please let sysreq know about it 19:40:25 Doug: Proposal is to just add 'REQUIRED' 19:40:47 RESOLUTION: proposal for Issue-13148 is accepted as proposed 19:40:49 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13151 19:41:05 Issue-13151: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13151 19:41:05 Sorry... adding notes to ISSUE-13151 failed, please let sysreq know about it 19:41:14 Bob: any objections to opening this issue? 19:41:23 ... is the text in the spec correct? 19:41:29 Doug: yes the text is correct 19:41:43 RESOLUTION: Issue-13151 resolved as proposed 19:41:50 TOPIC: External Comments 19:41:52 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access-comments/2011Jun/0000.html 19:42:51 Bob: mismatch between namespace in WSDL and the URI of the location of the WSDL 19:43:03 Tom: Do we have a RDDL file for this stuff? 19:43:06 Doug: We do 19:43:51 Tom: It seems this person just needs to be educated (on the difference between the URI and the @targetNamespace) 19:44:07 q+ 19:44:16 (confusing dicsussion on possible changes to the RDDL file) 19:44:38 Doug: when you click on the namespace link, you get an HTML page that describes the namespace 19:44:54 Yves: the link to the WSDL is wrong - we have that in the ED copy as well 19:45:00 ... I can do the change 19:45:13 Doug: I don't mind doing it, but I need to know what the correct thing is 19:45:22 Yves: dated WSDL reference is wrogn 19:45:37 Doug: assuming we approve the docs, the dated links all get updated again 19:46:01 q- 19:46:08 ... perhaps we could just tell this person that things are out of synch now but will come back into synch on the next publishing event 19:46:17 birthing activity! ouch! 19:46:20 Bob: who is going to take care of this? 19:46:29 Yves: me 19:46:53 Bob: we need to respond back to Andy 19:47:02 ... who would like to do that? 19:47:34 ... "we shall correct the RDDL file location at . . . when we publish our PR" 19:47:42 ... Yves can you take care of this? 19:47:49 Yves: ok 19:48:08 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access-comments/2011Jun/0001.html 19:48:35 Bob: wondering why faults are not declared in the portType's of the WSDLs (mex, eventing, etc.) 19:48:46 ... we don't normally do this sort of thing 19:48:52 Doug: and we won't 19:49:28 Bob: something along the lines of "it has not been the custom to define faults in the portTypes of infrastructure specs like . . ." 19:49:37 Tom: is he talking about event notifications? 19:49:47 Bob: no, he's referring to the XSDs 19:49:59 Tom: we don't define any faults in our spec WSDLs? 19:51:26 Gil: if you define faults in your WSDL they don't appear on the wire the way we say the should 19:51:48 ... infrastructure faults versus application faults 19:52:16 Tom: we have a different mapping for our faults than that defined in WSDL 19:52:46 Gil: yes - no WS-* has ever used WSDL-defined faults for error handling 19:53:09 Bob: anyone to volunteer 19:53:12 Gil: I will 19:53:34 Bob: should I create pro-forma issues to track these 19:53:40 Yves: that would be best 19:53:57 TOPIC: Test Status 19:53:57 http://www.soaphub.org/interop/status/WSRA 19:55:01 Bob: look like we have met our criteria for 2 interoperable implementations for each specifications 19:55:22 ... the exceptions are the metadata specifications (SOAP assertion and EventDescriptions) 19:55:37 ... these don't have any direct, on-the wire tests associated with them 19:55:47 8 WS-SOAP Assertions & WS-Event Descriptions While this working group will not explicitly test the use of WS-Policy, this test scenario allows for the inclusion of the WS-SA and WS-EVD policy assertions to appear in the WSDL of the Tracker Service. In doing this the scenario is verifying that the assertions can successfully be included as part of the WSDL/Policy of a service. 19:55:50 ... have folks had a chance to take a look at the latest scenario doc? 19:55:58 http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/test/scenario.html 19:56:18 Bob: is that adequate? 19:56:32 +[Microsoft] 19:56:38 ... is there anyone who finds it inadequate 19:57:57 http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/test/scenario.html 19:58:08 (pause while Ram is updated on progress of meeting) 20:00:11 Bob: seems like we need to change the docs before we go to PR 20:00:18 Doug: will be done within the hour 20:00:37 Bob: seems unfair to ask people to vote based on documents that they have never seen 20:00:51 ... better to let everyone review the docs as they will appear for PR 20:01:00 ... we've passed all of our exit criteria 20:01:13 ... is everyone able to make a meeting on July 12th? 20:01:21 ... and is that enough time? 20:01:27 Ram: a few questions? 20:01:41 ... there hasn't been any substantive changes since the CR 20:01:43 Bob: true 20:02:10 ... people may quibble with things like getting the machine readable artifacts to match with the text of the spec 20:02:24 ... but does any member believe there have been substantive changes? 20:02:27 (silence) 20:02:38 Ram: so all changes have been editorial? 20:02:41 Bob: yes 20:03:09 Ram: assuming that is the case, if the candidate PR drafts are available - i think i may be able to be ready as early as the 12th 20:03:33 Bob: on most of the specs there have been no changes 20:03:52 Doug: i've been doing some spec hygiene 20:04:01 ... a couple of typos in eventing and enumeration 20:04:28 Ram: when you send out the drafts, will you send out a diff-marked version relative to the PRs? 20:04:32 Bob: Yves? 20:04:36 Yves: yes I can do that 20:04:50 Bob: we want to diff between the CR and the proposed PR drafts 20:05:02 ... those will be valuable when we do the progression anouncement 20:05:17 ... Doug, once you have the materials ready - let Yves know 20:05:21 Doug: they are ready now 20:05:28 I'll produce them tomorrow morning 20:05:29 Ram: I need roughly 3 days for internal review 20:05:38 ... should have them by next Tuesday 20:05:49 Bob: Yves, today or tomorrow would be good 20:05:57 ... then we can make the decision next week 20:06:06 ... and get to the PR progression before August 20:06:24 Yves: have the diffs ready by my morning (your night) 20:06:55 TOPIC: WS-EVD MIME type status 20:07:00 Bob: Yves - how is this going? 20:07:08 Yves: I will slap Phillipe 20:07:21 Bob: does this need to be nailed down before we do PR 20:07:23 Yves: we do 20:07:44 Bob: tell Phillipe that we would prefer if we didn't end up waiting on the MIME type assignment 20:07:57 MEETING ADJOURNED 20:08:00 -Tom_Rutt 20:08:03 bye 20:08:05 -[Microsoft] 20:08:06 -Bob 20:08:10 -Yves 20:08:12 -Alessio 20:08:15 rrsagent, generate hours 20:08:15 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/05-ws-ra-minutes.html Bob 20:08:18 -Doug_Davis 20:46:44 trutt_ has joined #ws-ra 21:02:38 gpilz has left #ws-ra 21:05:00 disconnecting the lone participant, Gil, in WS_WSRA()3:30PM 21:05:02 WS_WSRA()3:30PM has ended 21:05:05 Attendees were Bob, Doug_Davis, Tom_Rutt, Gil, Alessio, Yves, [Microsoft] 22:01:24 Zakim has left #ws-ra