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14:59:59 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WEBID
14:59:59 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see INC_WEBID(WEBID)11:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
15:00:00 <trackbot> Meeting: WebID Incubator Group Teleconference
15:00:00 <trackbot> Date: 04 July 2011
15:00:29 <bblfish> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:00:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/04-webid-minutes.html bblfish
15:00:37 <bblfish> RRSAgent, make minutes public
15:00:37 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', bblfish.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:00:52 <bblfish> zakim, agenda?
15:00:52 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
15:00:52 <melvster> melvster has joined #webid
15:00:53 <Zakim> 6. "Implementors session." [from bblfish]
15:01:01 <bblfish> skip agendum
15:01:08 <Zakim> INC_WEBID(WEBID)11:00AM has now started
15:01:15 <Zakim> + +1.650.450.aaaa
15:01:15 <bblfish> zakim, agenda?
15:01:16 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
15:01:17 <Zakim> 6. "Implementors session." [from bblfish]
15:01:20 <bblfish> skip agendum
15:01:45 <bblfish> agenda -6
15:01:54 <jeffsayre> Are we just on IRC or also on phone?
15:02:03 <jeffsayre> Zakim says I am first on the conference call.
15:02:03 <bblfish> am about to come on
15:02:09 <jeffsayre> :)
15:02:17 <Zakim> +bergi
15:03:04 <gaedke> gaedke has joined #webid
15:03:15 <Zakim> +??P5
15:03:21 <gaedke> Hi
15:03:24 <melvster> zakim, ??P5 is me
15:03:24 <Zakim> +melvster; got it
15:03:32 <jeffsayre> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:03:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.650.450.aaaa, bergi, melvster
15:03:51 <jeffsayre> Zakim, I am +1.650.450.aaaa
15:03:51 <Zakim> +jeffsayre; got it
15:03:58 <Zakim> +??P4
15:04:21 <bblfish> zakim ??p4 is me
15:04:29 <bblfish> zakim, ??p4 is me
15:04:29 <Zakim> +bblfish; got it
15:04:50 <bblfish> agenda +"Accept minutes from previous meeting: http://www.w3.org/2011/06/27-webid-minutes.html"
15:04:59 <bblfish> next agendum
15:05:16 <bblfish> zakim, pick a scribe
15:05:16 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose bblfish
15:05:35 <bblfish> zakim, bblfish is chair
15:05:35 <Zakim> +chair; got it
15:05:37 <bblfish> zakim, pick a scribe
15:05:37 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose bergi
15:05:50 <Zakim> +??P7
15:06:03 <bblfish> zakim, pick a scribe
15:06:03 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose chair
15:06:14 <bblfish> zakim, bblfish is chair
15:06:14 <Zakim> sorry, bblfish, I do not recognize a party named 'bblfish'
15:06:29 <bblfish> zakim bblfish is chair
15:06:32 <gaedke> zakim, who is on the phone
15:06:32 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', gaedke
15:06:40 <bblfish> zakim, pick a scribe
15:06:40 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose melvster
15:06:44 <melvster> :)
15:06:53 <gaedke> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:06:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see jeffsayre, bergi, melvster, chair, ??P7
15:07:10 <bblfish> zakim who is making noise
15:07:11 <melvster> zakim, melvster is scribe
15:07:11 <Zakim> +scribe; got it
15:07:17 <bblfish> zakim, who is making noise
15:07:17 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is making noise', bblfish
15:07:24 <gaedke> zakim, ??P7 is me
15:07:24 <Zakim> +gaedke; got it
15:07:40 <melvster> i may cut out after about 45 minutes, just noticed my credit is running out ....
15:07:43 <bblfish> previous meeting minutes +1 from me
15:07:48 <melvster> but i should be able to top up 
15:07:55 <melvster> oh great
15:07:58 <melvster> ill do that next time
15:08:08 <bblfish> http://webid.info/
15:08:18 <melvster> bblfish: information on SIP
15:08:22 <melvster> thanks!
15:08:30 <bblfish> zakim, who is making noise
15:08:30 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is making noise', bblfish
15:08:54 <gaedke> zakim, who's making noise?
15:09:08 <Zakim> gaedke, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: jeffsayre (34%), chair (70%)
15:09:30 <bblfish> +1
15:09:33 <melvster> +1
15:09:41 <bergi> +1
15:09:47 <jeffsayre> +1
15:09:56 <bblfish> did come with some extras in the mail http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-webid/2011Jun/0084.html
15:10:34 <melvster> ... who is going to do the bug enhancement report?
15:10:38 <bblfish> for apache
15:10:49 <melvster> ... bergi?
15:11:14 <melvster> ... so that it is easier to allow all certificates even ones with extensions
15:11:33 <melvster> bergi: i can do this, is it open for everyone?
15:11:39 <melvster> bblfish: yes, and you can vote
15:12:05 <bblfish> vote for this: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=396441
15:12:30 <bblfish> or the google one http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=29784
15:12:35 <melvster> ... tell people to vote
15:12:46 <melvster> ... and issue bugs to opera
15:13:05 <melvster> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=29784
15:13:26 <bblfish> action, bergi to create apache issue on more flexible certificate access 
15:13:42 <bblfish> ACTION bergi to create apache issue on more flexible certificate access 
15:13:42 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - bergi
15:15:46 <melvster> could be <first intital><7 characters of last name> ?
15:15:55 <bblfish> ACTION Bergwinkl to create apache issue on more flexible certificate access 
15:15:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-32 - Create apache issue on more flexible certificate access  [on Thomas Bergwinkl - due 2011-07-11].
15:16:26 <melvster> ... you mentioned something about the wiki
15:16:47 <melvster> bergi: it was about apache configuration, how to disable critical extensions
15:16:56 <melvster> ... i updated the topic
15:17:04 <melvster> bblfish: that's covered then
15:17:10 <melvster> ... spec improvements
15:17:24 <bblfish> agenda +"Spec improvements"
15:17:28 <bblfish> next agendum
15:17:58 <bblfish> Domel added some rdf/xml here https://github.com/domel/webid-spec.git
15:18:10 <melvster> ... domel added some items to git
15:18:34 <melvster> ... we'll look at that later when scor is here
15:18:44 <melvster> ... has anyone done anything on the ontology?
15:18:48 <melvster> ... test suite?
15:19:03 <melvster> bergi: a new issue about multiple keys
15:19:20 <melvster> ... currently theres a test for only one modulus and one exponent
15:20:00 <melvster> bblfish: if you have a public key it contains two relations of type key
15:20:10 <melvster> ... rsa key, public exponent and modulus
15:20:33 <melvster> ... if they dont match someone has made a mistake
15:20:58 <melvster> bergi: shoudnt the login module look for the modulus matching to the certificate?
15:21:03 <melvster> ... is it not a security issue?
15:21:13 <bblfish> zakim, who's making noise?
15:21:23 <Zakim> bblfish, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bergi (14%), chair (9%), gaedke (94%)
15:21:54 <melvster> zakim, mute gaedke
15:21:54 <Zakim> gaedke should now be muted
15:22:07 <gaedke> perfect
15:22:12 <melvster> :)
15:22:33 <melvster> bblfish: it's not a security hole, its a UI issue
15:22:58 <melvster> ... if services created foaf files that a broken, and users sometimes dont get logged in, its bad for webid
15:23:04 <melvster> ... worth fixing that kind of issue
15:23:18 <melvster> ... easy to do with cut and past
15:23:23 <melvster> s/past/paste
15:23:53 <melvster> bergi: in the test do you mean, in the certificate object there should be one public key, but multiple certificates?
15:23:56 <bblfish> multiple public keys 
15:24:13 <melvster> bblfish: can have multiple public keys, each one has one modulus and one exponent
15:25:28 <melvster> ... on the wiki there is a test suite link
15:25:45 <melvster> ... perl ontology
15:25:55 <bblfish> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/file/55f18239ed1a/tests/earl/test.n3
15:26:01 <bblfish> EARL not perl
15:26:07 <melvster> s/EARL/perl
15:26:49 <bblfish> wit:pubkeyRSAModulusFunctional a earl:TestCase;
15:26:49 <bblfish>     76   dct:title "not more than one modulus";
15:26:50 <bblfish>     77     dct:description "More than one modulus if they don't convert to the same number will lead to erratic behavior (one server will choose one the other server will chose the other)".
15:26:51 <bblfish>     78 
15:27:42 <melvster> bblfish: functional relations only have one value
15:28:26 <jeffsayre> Zakim, mute me
15:28:26 <Zakim> jeffsayre should now be muted
15:29:07 <melvster> ... everyone should be implementing this on your webid implementation
15:31:07 <bblfish> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/clerezza/trunk/parent/platform.security.foafssl/test/src/main/scala/org/apache/clerezza/foafssl/test/WebIDTester.scala?view=markup
15:31:15 <bblfish> this is the scala implemetnation
15:31:37 <melvster> ... i think it's kind of readable
15:31:54 <bblfish> asrtKeyModulusFunc
15:32:10 <melvster> ... you'll see the code
15:32:36 <melvster> ... if no modulus we say missing modulus
15:32:46 <melvster> ... else we cant tell it's an rsa key
15:32:57 <melvster> ... if i have more than one modulus, that's another error
15:33:37 <melvster> ... each test creates objects which will be transformed into RDF
15:34:09 <melvster> ... then you serialize the results out to the user
15:34:20 <melvster> ... the user can make reports
15:34:39 <melvster> ... need a few people to try this out
15:34:45 <melvster> bergi: yes that helps
15:35:07 <bblfish> mercurial
15:35:18 <melvster> bblfish: you have access to hg so you can put the fix in
15:35:36 <melvster> bergi: i will look at the description and fix it
15:35:56 <bblfish> g.bnode.a(EARL.Assertion)
15:35:57 <bblfish> 711	                                -- EARL.test --> testName
15:35:58 <bblfish> 712	                                -- EARL.result --> result.toRdf()
15:35:58 <bblfish> 713	                                -- EARL.subject -->> subjects
15:36:14 <melvster> bblfish: nice thing about scala is you can make rdf look as above
15:36:36 <melvster> bergi: another idea, perhaps we can link versions together, test cases, to the spec
15:36:45 <melvster> ... see which tests are REQUIRED
15:36:51 <melvster> ... other tests are helpful
15:36:56 <melvster> bblfish: good idea
15:37:16 <melvster> ... there might be a way of doing that, do it with one or two to see if it works
15:38:05 <melvster> ... in EARL there's an ontology for linking and pointing to things
15:38:13 <melvster> ... there are pointer objects in scala
15:39:34 <bblfish> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/file/55f18239ed1a/tests/earl/test.n3
15:40:07 <melvster> ... you can see in the test above
15:40:53 <bblfish> https://bblfish.net:8443/test/WebId
15:41:02 <melvster> ... my test suite does return rdf/xml
15:41:16 <melvster> ... also returns json turtle and ntriples
15:41:31 <melvster> bergi: i used your tests as an example for my endpoint
15:41:46 <melvster> ... so i can point to them if there's a problem
15:41:56 <melvster> ... human readable
15:42:06 <melvster> ... RDFa
15:42:16 <melvster> ... when finished i will add it to the wiki
15:43:10 <melvster> bergi: my endpoint is in php an test suite in java
15:43:21 <bblfish> Everyobdy else see what is going on?
15:43:26 <jeffsayre> +1
15:43:26 <melvster> yes :)
15:43:54 <melvster> i am not actively developing one
15:44:00 <Zakim> -scribe
15:44:08 <melvster> but my revive the code from foaf.me on another server
15:44:17 <melvster> i dont control foaf.me anymore
15:44:24 <melvster> sorry just ran out of credit
15:44:29 <melvster> brb
15:45:36 <bblfish> anyone followed the discussion on ldap?
15:46:52 <gaedke> +q
15:47:03 <gaedke> unmute
15:47:13 <bblfish> unmute gaedke
15:47:30 <bblfish> zakim, unmute gaedke
15:47:30 <Zakim> gaedke should no longer be muted
15:47:51 <Zakim> +??P5
15:48:04 <melvster> zakim, ??P5 is me
15:48:04 <Zakim> +melvster; got it
15:48:39 <melvster> re :)
15:48:53 <melvster> bblfish: lets have a wiki page on LDAP
15:48:57 <melvster> ... show how it works
15:49:06 <melvster> ... how do they publish their public key
15:50:55 <melvster> bblfish: if kingsley can explain how he publishes his public key in LDAP
15:51:04 <melvster> ... we should have a wiki page
15:51:21 <melvster> ... if 3 or 4 people implement it, we can become more formal
15:51:56 <melvster> ... should be a general solution, rather than openlink specific
15:52:06 <melvster> s/should/shouldnt
15:52:11 <melvster> arg
15:52:23 <melvster> s/shouldnt/should
15:52:25 <melvster> lol
15:52:53 <melvster> ... if there's more than 1 or 2 bergi can add those to his tests
15:53:10 <melvster> ... should be a way of dereferencing an LDAP URL
15:53:24 <melvster> ... need to know the LDAP Distinguished Names
15:55:38 <bblfish> action, kingsley to write a small wiki page on ldap protocol answering the questions: what is the schema for publc key in ldap, what dereferencing methods are there + section of links to implementations and small explanation.
15:55:59 <melvster> he's not on skype
15:56:11 <bblfish> action, Thibodeau to write a small wiki page on ldap protocol answering the questions: what is the schema for publc key in ldap, what dereferencing methods are there + section of links to implementations and small explanation.
15:56:27 <melvster> ... i think we need to make kingsley part of the group
15:56:35 <bblfish> action Thibodeau to write a small wiki page on ldap protocol answering the questions: what is the schema for publc key in ldap, what dereferencing methods are there + section of links to implementations and small explanation.
15:56:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-33 - Write a small wiki page on ldap protocol answering the questions: what is the schema for publc key in ldap, what dereferencing methods are there + section of links to implementations and small explanation. [on Ted Thibodeau - due 2011-07-11].
15:57:22 <melvster> gaedke: we've had some proposals but will talk about it when we come to a consensus
15:57:35 <bblfish> don't forget new url webid.info
15:57:44 <gaedke> sure
15:57:51 <melvster> bblfish: i think that's is for today
15:57:59 <melvster> ... let's meet again next week
15:58:02 <bblfish> hi Andrei?
15:58:23 <melvster> ... see if we can have more on implementations
15:58:35 <melvster> ... any other questions / issues?
15:58:47 <jeffsayre> zakim, unmute me
15:58:47 <Zakim> jeffsayre should no longer be muted
15:58:50 <melvster> ... meeting in paris on sem web CMS btw
15:59:15 <melvster> jeffsayre: working on a php endpoint
15:59:48 <melvster> bblfish: php people work together ...
15:59:48 <jeffsayre> bye
15:59:49 <bblfish> goodbye all
15:59:51 <melvster> bye
15:59:52 <gaedke> bye
15:59:56 <Zakim> -bergi
16:00:06 <Zakim> -gaedke
16:00:07 <Zakim> -chair
16:00:10 <Zakim> -melvster
16:00:17 <Zakim> -jeffsayre
16:00:18 <Zakim> INC_WEBID(WEBID)11:00AM has ended
16:00:20 <bblfish> RRSAgent, make minutes public
16:00:20 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', bblfish.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:00:20 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.650.450.aaaa, bergi, jeffsayre, chair, scribe, gaedke, melvster
16:00:45 <bblfish> trackbot, end meeting
16:00:45 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:00:45 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
16:00:46 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:00:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/04-webid-minutes.html trackbot
16:00:47 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:00:47 <RRSAgent> I see no action items